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This should be a relatively quick one, but I have a problem with Ayanokoji scaling to this.
Durability: At least Street level+, possibly Wall Level (13,2 KJ, Possibly 49.3 KJ - Capable of tanking his own attacks, Capable of tanking Shiro's attacks and is capable of enduring the attacks of adults as a 4 year old
Now you all may be wondering where the 49.3Kj comes from, as I did before getting noticed it comes from this calc, where Kounji jumps off a cliff. Now I won't question the calcs validity since that is not something I am that well knowledgeable in, but I will question how this feat Kounj doesi has any correlation to Ayanokoji's Durability scaling.
Edit
The Feat being scaled is Anime Only
Ayanokoji has no reason to scale to Kounji's Calc
TLTR - The 49.3Kj gets removed from Ayanokoji's durability section
Thing is, it doesn't really matter how comparable they could be in a fight, the only way to determine if they are comparable in durability is if Ayakanokoji endured the same level of energy as Kuoenji, which he wouldn't do even if he jumped from the same place as Kouenji (due to the difference in mass, which would be even more significant when he was a kid), and no matter how much he could withstand punches from adults or Kouenji himself, because of the so great difference between their AP and Kouenji durability.
Thing is, it doesn't really matter how comparable they could be in a fight, the only way to determine if they are comparable in durability is if Ayakanokoji endured the same level of energy as Kuoenji, which he wouldn't do even if he jumped from the same place as Kouenji (due to the difference in mass, which would be even more significant when he was a kid), and no matter how much he could withstand punches from adults or Kouenji himself, because of the so great difference between their AP and Kouenji durability.
Kouenji and Ayanokouji are narratively comparable to each other wth
They are both tied in strenght and Koji also mentioned on how he can give him a hard challenge as well
If you are basing this downgrade on the fact that Kouenji's profile doesn't have it, i will have you know that all profiles except Koji and the WR students (to an extent) are outdated as hell
Kouenji and Ayanokouji are narratively comparable to each other wth
They are both tied in strenght and Koji also mentioned on how he can give him a hard challenge as well
If you are basing this downgrade on the fact that Kouenji's profile doesn't have it, i will have you know that all profiles except Koji and the WR students (to an extent) are outdated as hell
I am asking how Ayanokoji's durability can be scaled from a feat Kounji has? And even more questionable is how that is scaled to his kid key, and to make it worse, is that it is a "Possibly" rating...
Thing is, it doesn't really matter how comparable they could be in a fight, the only way to determine if they are comparable in durability is if Ayakanokoji endured the same level of energy as Kuoenji, which he wouldn't do even if he jumped from the same place as Kouenji (due to the difference in mass, which would be even more significant when he was a kid), and no matter how much he could withstand punches from adults or Kouenji himself, because of the so great difference between their AP and Kouenji durability.
Soooo, What you are saying is that there is no actual evidence? Outside your own narrative understanding of the story that says, "Ayanokoji is the strongest in all aspects..."
Soooo, What you are saying is that there is no actual evidence? Outside your own narrative understanding of the story that says, "Ayanokoji is the strongest in all aspects..."
I don't know why this calc is being used when there is no implication of koenji jumping off the cliff and surviving in LN. It's just anime only feat.
As for debate itself of Ayanokoji=Koenji in terms of durability, I am not sure about that. It's questionable I guess, but don't have a conclusion. Well we may get a clear answer when y3 starts as Ayanokoji vs Koenji confirmed to takes place.
I don't know why this calc is being used when there is no implication of koenji jumping off the cliff and surviving in LN. It's just anime only feat.
As for debate itself of Ayanokoji=Koenji in terms of durability, I am not sure about that. It's questionable I guess, but don't have a conclusion. Well we may get a clear answer when y3 starts as Ayanokoji vs Koenji confirmed to takes place.
As for debate itself of Ayanokoji=Koenji in terms of durability, I am not sure about that. It's questionable I guess, but don't have a conclusion. Well we may get a clear answer when y3 starts as Ayanokoji vs Koenji confirmed to takes place.
The thing is, even if they fought out and Koji hurt Koenji, that would only make Koji AP scale to Koenji durability, because no matter how much Koenji ends up punching Koji the AP of his punches is far lower than his durability.
The thing is, even if they fought out and Koji hurt Koenji, that would only make Koji AP scale to Koenji durability, because no matter how much Koenji ends up punching Koji the AP of his punches is far lower than his durability.
When I said Ayanokoji vs Koenji, I mean we will see more feats related to their physical statures, and possibly new feats rather than vague statments. As said by the author in his interview, he likes to write fighting scenes. And since Koenji is kept as mysterious character from the beginning of the series, we may get new ap feats too.
Kouenji is a very dynamic entity in the Classroom of the Elite scaling chain. This guy can scale one of the highest in the verse with being the 2nd being his highest cap while he can be slaughtered by some high tiers if he's not having any feats and reliable stuff in his scaling. This is because of Kouenji's extreme lack of feats and him only being narratively "hyped up", just like some other characters from the verse in such regards. For e.g., Takuya Yagami was heavily hyped up by characters before he got completely obliterated in Year 2 Volume 7.
But towards the question of them having equal abilities, I think this from Year 2 Volume 11 answers it.
In Y2V11, Kiyotaka outright states that Kouenji's possibilities of winning emerges from there being some rules established in the fight, and even then, he just described it as a "tough fight" while talking to the reader. Now, if we equalize their skills (skills should mean all the techniques knowledge here) and put them in boxing or judo as mentioned, and if it is just a "tough fight", due to Kouenji having a superior "muscle mass", then it's kind of fair and obvious to say that they equalize in durability as well.
At best, you could argue that Kiyotaka's durability slightly downscales from Kouenji seeing the narrative importance, but his durability being many times lower than Kouenji doesn't make sense for them being only having advantages due to factors like muscle mass or physical constitution in their fights, it literally says that they can be equals in other terms, other factors don't even get that mentioned.
Secondly, Ayanokouji is still slightly better than Kouenji in Lifting Strength, through the Y2V3 showdown between both.
Kouenji can only stand against Kiyotaka in tug-of-war because of his muscle mass and physical constitution and they are equal in that, so Ayanokouji has enough LS to bypass the difference in their muscle masses, to make it equal.
This is kind of literally stated in Y2V3.
Yes, Kouenji can be higher than all the high tiers of the verse in overall abilities, but he would still be equal to, or behind Kiyotaka in terms of abilities due to the outright Y2V11 narrative, which is still a source for only a "possibly" scaling
This reminds me we needed a thread for an accepted Wall level calc for Ayanokouji lol.
I don't agree with this anymore. I would have Prime > Kid and Current key, but the comparison between Current key and Kid key might not be drawn from the facts itself. We know that Kid key took down 6 adults having better physical abilities than WR instructors, and Current key struggled against 2 WR power entities like Shiba and Tsukishiro, however, Shiba and Tsukishiro stupidly counter Kiyotaka with their battle strategies, and both of them were still stated to get 'one-shot'ed by him in a fight.
So, it's like Prime >? Kid ? Current.
'>?' means being greater than, but by how many degrees is unknown.
'?' means that the comparison between both is kind of impossible.
Kiyo is literally the pinnacle of the verse, he's repeatedly glazed for everything he did and everything he can do, it makes perfect sense for him to scale above Kouenji
this should have been in questions and answers instead of a whole ass downgrade crt
but saying the feat is anime only in an attempt to discredit the feat doesn't sit right with me, do we even know if the anime (or at least that feat) was accepted for scaling before? OP's tone implies he's seeking an answer rather than being certain
but saying the feat is anime only in an attempt to discredit the feat doesn't sit right with me, do we even know if the anime (or at least that feat) was accepted for scaling before? OP's tone implies he's seeking an answer rather than being certain
Actually I claimed that it's anime only not the op. And besides the source is LN, so I see no reason to use it. If the feat existed in LN that's different matter, though.
Well, that's not the topic of this CRT, so I will drop it.
Actually I claimed that it's anime only not the op. And besides the source is LN, so I see no reason to use it. If the feat existed in LN that's different matter, though.
Well, that's not the topic of this CRT, so I will drop it.
