It's Judgement Day for Pokemon's Llama

[ProfectusInfinity]

Arceus vs The Living Tribunal​

• Arceus is in his True Form while The Living Tribunal is in his peak Universal Manifestation Form.
• Otherwise standard battle assumptions.

Llama: @Robo432343​

Judge:​

Incon: @Eseseso @ProfectusInfinity @Tomfer @Excellence616​

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[Eseseso]

Got the perfect theme for this:

 

[LMalone22]

What makes you think Arceus can defeat the living tribunal?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Has tribunal even been updated to the new standard?

 

[Eseseso]

Has tribunal even been updated to the new standard?

Even if the new standard affects the Abstracts, all that would change is that LT would scale to 1 layer of 1-A, though that would still make this a stomp.

 

[Eseseso]

I would say that LT and Arceus can affect each other, except that all of the Living Tribunal's hax that would let him affect NEP 2 (such as magic and the powers of Chaos/Order) is only Low 1-A in potency.

However, while Arceus can affect him, the Living Tribunal's Type 9 immortality means that he can instantly come back even if Arceus manages to kill him, he can come back instantly.

So leaning incon at the moment.

 

[Excellence616]

I would say that LT and Arceus can affect each other, except that all of the Living Tribunal's hax that would let him affect NEP 2 (such as magic and the powers of Chaos/Order) is only Low 1-A in potency.

However, while Arceus can affect him, the Living Tribunal's Type 9 immortality means that he can instantly come back even if Arceus manages to kill him, he can come back instantly.

So leaning incon at the moment.

Who has higher potency btw the two of them?

 

[Eseseso]

Who has higher potency btw the two of them?

I have no idea whether the potency of Arceus's hax (like the powers of his avatars) actually scales to his 1-A self.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Gonna go incon myself based on Eseseso's points.

 

[LazerDim8000]

I would say that LT and Arceus can affect each other, except that all of the Living Tribunal's hax that would let him affect NEP 2 (such as magic and the powers of Chaos/Order) is only Low 1-A in potency.

Why wouldn’t the Living Tribunal be able to affect Arceus without magic? He interacts with the In-Betweener and is said to embody the abstracts. Why would it not scale to his 1-A self ? I think it would be weird for magic to cap at low 1-A for a being of such caliber

 

[Eseseso]

Why wouldn’t the Living Tribunal be able to affect Arceus without magic? He interacts with the In-Betweener and is said to embody the abstracts. Why would it not scale to his 1-A self ?

The In-Betweener is only Low 1-A in nature, so I just figured that's where the LT's NPI scales.

I think it would be weird for magic to cap at low 1-A for a being of such caliber

That's the hax potency of magic as a whole, regardless of tier.

 

[LazerDim8000]

The In-Betweener is only Low 1-A in nature, so I just figured that's where the LT's NPI scales.

That's the hax potency of magic as a whole, regardless of tier.

I was referring to his 1-A key. Is it also Low 1-A in nature?

And Idk man. if a being that's 1-A can't use the power of lower worlds on the scale of their state, that's kind of an anti-feat

 

[Eseseso]

I was referring to his 1-A key. Is it also Low 1-A in nature?

And Idk man. if a being that's 1-A can't use the power of lower worlds on the scale of their state, that's kind of an anti-feat

I mean I don't know for sure, I could be wrong.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The fact this is actually possible, much less fair at all is crazy

 

[Tomfer]

I'll go for incon based on Eseseso's points²

 

[Excellence616]

Incon based on Eseseso's point

 

[Robo432343]

LT can interact with The In-Betweeners and Death' NEP and at some point is gonna end up using a hax that Arceus does not resist
so i vote him

isn't LT above baseline 1-A???

 

[Eseseso]

LT can interact with The In-Betweeners and Death' NEP and at some point is gonna end up using a hax that Arceus does not resist
so i vote him

isn't LT above baseline 1-A???

Depends on whether the abstracts he scales to are the Low 1-A versions or the 1-A versions, since the LT's 1-A version is also just an M-Body

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly, I change my mind.

Since the High 1-A Beyonders are the makers of the Magic used in Earth-616, it's clear that beings above Low 1-A can have magic at their own level of potency, so I would definitely say that the LT's magic potency scales to his 1-A self.

So I'd say that he wins via 1 layer of basic magic hax (concept hax, info manip, etc)

 

[Muteki616]

Judge FRA.

Arceus' plates don't fully scale to his True Self. (even tho it makes sense that they should but yk wiki rules.)
and Arceus doesn't resist most of the Judge's hax/magic while the Judge resists majority if not all of Arceus'.

 

[Muteki616]

Also, this might be a stomp.
Judge should be atleast a layer above baseline even in his universal abstract key.
Llama is baseline.

and I'm pretty sure when the new cosmology revision comes out Uni Abstracts will be WELL above even a single layer.

 

[Dragonite007]

Judge FRA.

Arceus' plates don't fully scale to his True Self. (even tho it makes sense that they should but yk wiki rules.)
and Arceus doesn't resist most of the Judge's hax/magic while the Judge resists majority if not all of Arceus'.

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