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Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki

Rikimarox2 said:
Though said CM1 character is the one that is destroying everyone else in verse, based on the page, so it really doesn't showcase any of the capabilities of plot.
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Are you talking about Dona Morte? Because she has plot hax.


Rikimarox2 said:
Though, for undertale stuff, do you agree that WW should take their spot?
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I don't know. I'm not good at analyzing Vs threads, especially when the characters are walls of text or/and I'm not used to discussing them. I was just passing on some information that I could. In this case it would be better to ask a supporter of the verse than to ask myself.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
It's not really necessary, the other character linked to TM is "Dona Morte" who has CM1 and Plot hash and resistance. I can't give much more information about it because I'm not a supporter of the verse, but both hash are present within the summer.

At this point I think you should make VS threads and call supporters.
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Yeah, which is why I said that its clear that the plot manip in question doesn't really have a reason to protect from CM1 since she (as the literal concept of death) can **** with it, so its just passive v passive, one of them killing the other and the other not really having a reason to protect from CM or Info stuff

(also said the concept hax resist is suspect considering it comes from her being able to resist her own scythe, which has concept hax for being able to kill her)
 
even if all metaphysical aspects are equal and exclusive at default it doesn't mean all practicality of using said metaphysical aspects are equal. WW just seems to have way better usage of his abilities than whatever undertale stuff does.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Inspired by this thread, but now with 4-D characters.

If you are wondering how this is different than the non-smurf list, check the second rule below.

Rules:
  • Anything above 4-D isn't allowed.
  • As long as the character has a 4-D hax/ability/stat/weapon, etc on the tier section, they can be nominated. (Ex: A character that is 10-B but has a Low 2-C weapon is still allowed to be on the list and can compete against a physically 2-A character if they are capable of doing so).
  • Time-related abilities wont count, as long as they are standard (i.e. time stop). While they are technically 4-D, we won't consider them because it would take away the uniqueness of the thread. Exceptions to this would be if the time ability in question has a tier for it (somehow, because of verse mechanics). Ex: "10-B. 2-A with Time Manipulation" would be allowed.
  • If you nominate a character without proposing a specific spot for it, I'll just put it in an open spot.
  • Speed Equal will be assumed (spots via speed unequal are allowed, but you'll have to specify it in your nomination)
  • SBA for the rest.

1. Characters from Dragon Talisman
2. Cui Heng
3. Characters from Final Fantasy / Characters from Madoka Magica (Madoka & Homura)
4. Giratina / Characters from Castlevania (Dracula & Chaos)
5. Characters from Maou Gakuin (Anos Voldigoad & Graham) / Characters from Destiny (Oryx & The Witness)
6. Characters from Turma da Monica (Dona Morte & Cebolinha)
7. Wang Wei
8. Characters from Undertale (Chara & Asriel)
9. Koriel Number 12
10. Wei Huo
11. Qin Yu (Grandmist Duology) / Linley Baruch
12. Mori Dan
13. Characters from Anima Beyond Fantasy (Ergo Mundus, Baal, The Nameless)
14. Mundus (DMC)
15. Kirby
16. Meng Chuan
17. Zhong Yue
18. Characters from Bleach (Yhwach & Soul King)
19. Wang Lin (Renegade Immortal)
20. Meng Hao (Spirit Realm)
21. Su Ming
22. Beerus
23. Luo Yuan
24. Characters from Super Sentai (Zenkaiser, Boccowaus, Ryusoul Red)
25. Characters from Epic Battle Fantasy (Devourer, Matt, Natalie)
26. Parca
27.
28.
29.
30.
31.
32
33.
34.
35.
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Put Heaven Ascension Dio. Just to complete the list with something.
 
Bump

Also Characters from Arifureta (Hajime and Yue) for the list tied at 10th with Wei Huo since the former defeated Wei Huo for a spot on the Top 15 Strongest list in 5-C. Don't really know if they can contend with Wei Huo's last key though so put them as a tie for now.
 
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If it's for Wang Wei, then good luck, as WW himself has AD/RE from the first key that allows him to adapt and get constantly stronger against anything. Not to mention all the fate stuff that are above time.
 
Anima characters have more layers than Arifureta afaik. They also resist everything they can do, so they should be above them as well.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
If it's for Wang Wei, then good luck, as WW himself has AD/RE from the first key that allows him to adapt and get constantly stronger against anything. Not to mention all the fate stuff that are above time.
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Well Anos has NEP Nature Type 2; Aspects Type 1, 2, 3 & 4 - Ad Infinitum layers for his source, and an ability wouldn't work against him in the second time after he RE'd it.. He also has The power of this magic eye is the essence of destruction, but in chaotic form. It has the power to destroy even the indestructible, but even that is merely an after-effect spilling out from this magic. This magic eye is capable of destroying order and reason. If there's a contradiction between this magic eye and the reason that must be destroyed, Anos will win unilaterally. Compared to the reason which makes a single event certainly happen, it's far more advantageous for this magic eye which makes this event never happen. Additionally, the contradiction turns into the power of this magic eye. This magic eye can make events that will certainly happen and/or already happened never happen, by destroying reason and creating a logical contradiction, therefore unilaterally winning. In other words, as one possible use of this magic eye, Anos can destroy a power after the power already affected him, by destroying the reason of the power and creating a logical contradiction, therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently nullifying the power's effect as if he was never even affected to begin with.
 
Robo432343 said:
unless the venuzdonoa 2-A nuke thing is passive or something anos just gets incapped
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Well, Venuzdonoa can still activate even if after The opponent has struck him first. it can destroy the reason that a faster attack would cut someone before a slower attack did, and could therefore make a slower attack cut someone before a faster attack did.
 
I really don't see why WE can't just...resist it? And what would qualify destroying reason and stuff as? Furthermore, I don't see why WW can't just ignore the whole "cannot be affected twice" when he has bunch of layers, and grows as well.

Additionally, not sure if it matters but I don't think Anos can even interact with WW when he's in his own NEP + TD2 state (Which should be TD3 but eh).
 
Robo432343 said:
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Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

Rimuru Tempest (リムル＝テンペスト, Rimuru Tenpesuto?), formerly known as Satoru Mikami (三上みかみ 悟さとる, Mikami Satoru?), is the main protagonist of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. He is the founder and King of the Monster Country. Also known as the "Tempest of the Great Jura Forest," he is regarded as one...
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Gonna nominate him for a specific spot?
 
Lycoris4812 said:
7 I guess, need a bit more for any higher.
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Don't actually think he could take that spot because Wang Wei has a lot of layers, quoting from the relevant blog
  • Soul and Mind: 106 Layers
  • Concept (Type 2), Law, and Information Type 2: 79 Layers
  • Concept (Type 1): 74 Layers
  • 4-D:
    • Soul and Mind: 74 Layers
    • Concept (Type 2), Law, and Information Type 2: 74 Layers
    • Concept (Type 1): 69 Layers
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And that resistance to Type 1 concept stuff includes all of this
So he kinda does just hax out
 
Deonment said:
Don't actually think he could take that spot because Wang Wei has a lot of layers, quoting from the relevant blog

And that resistance to Type 1 concept stuff includes all of this
So he kinda does just hax out
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Do they work on type 2 information and type 3 concepts? And Rimuru can turn himself nonexistent or cover himself with a nep2 void. (Not sure if it was accepted as one, but at least nep1.) I think Rimuru can also speed blitz with Infinite speed or absorb him with Azathoth.
 
Robo432343 said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

Rimuru Tempest (リムル＝テンペスト, Rimuru Tenpesuto?), formerly known as Satoru Mikami (三上みかみ 悟さとる, Mikami Satoru?), is the main protagonist of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. He is the founder and King of the Monster Country. Also known as the "Tempest of the Great Jura Forest," he is regarded as one...
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What do you ******* understand by the text "Outdated"?
 
Lycoris4812 said:
Do they work on type 2 information and type 3 concepts? And Rimuru can turn himself nonexistent or cover himself with a nep2 void. (Not sure if it was accepted as one, but at least nep1.) I think Rimuru can also speed blitz with Infinite speed or absorb him with Azathoth.
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It includes type 2 info yes, and all the layers apply to it as well. Type 3 iirc exists in verse, but not even needed as he affects type 1.

WW himself can turn into NEP2 and TD2(Every concept In-verse), and he can affect them easily.

Absorption, he resists. Infinite speed only applies to speed unequal I guess (altho he should have infinite reaction speed ngl but I'll apply later with Acausality revision).
 
Rikimarox2 said:
It includes type 2 info yes, and all the layers apply to it as well. Type 3 iirc exists in verse, but not even needed as he affects type 1.

WW himself can turn into NEP2 and TD2(Every concept In-verse), and he can affect them easily.

Absorption, he resists. Infinite speed only applies to speed unequal I guess (altho he should have infinite reaction speed ngl but I'll apply later with Acausality revision).
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He can't get past Rimurus immortality or regen, so I guess Rimuru can keep dying until he can get a hit on ww. Although we should probably wait till we get all of our revions before placing him somewhere. Light novel and Web novel could share 6 then.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I really don't see why WE can't just...resist it? And what would qualify destroying reason and stuff as? Furthermore, I don't see why WW can't just ignore the whole "cannot be affected twice" when he has bunch of layers, and grows as well.

Additionally, not sure if it matters but I don't think Anos can even interact with WW when he's in his own NEP + TD2 state (Which should be TD3 but eh).
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Destroying Reason and stuff is logic manip, and yeah. I don't think Anos could interact with his TD3, but WW couldn't also interact with his add infinitum layered NEP 2 source, if you erase him one time. It won't work again. But I guess you could argue that WW just grows and gains more layers. So it's a never ending incap.
 
Shar122 said:
Destroying Reason and stuff is logic manip, and yeah. I don't think Anos could interact with his TD3, but WW couldn't also interact with his add infinitum layered NEP 2 source, if you erase him one time. It won't work again. But I guess you could argue that WW just grows and gains more layers. So it's a never ending incap.
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Logic manip (as it is right now and as it should be) is just Law manip, so the point about Logic isn't really relevant
 
Shar122 said:
Destroying Reason and stuff is logic manip, and yeah. I don't think Anos could interact with his TD3, but WW couldn't also interact with his add infinitum layered NEP 2 source, if you erase him one time. It won't work again. But I guess you could argue that WW just grows and gains more layers. So it's a never ending incap.
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Logic manip is still not in the wiki, is currently considered law manip, and iirc, stuff like logic and reason are already a thing In-verse, so like, it's really not that impressive. Additionally, altho he can't affect the ad-infinite NEP, he can still just keep incap (altho tbh WW's NEP is kinda nuts as it also gives TD).

Lycoris4812 said:
He can't get past Rimurus immortality or regen, so I guess Rimuru can keep dying until he can get a hit on ww. Although we should probably wait till we get all of our revions before placing him somewhere. Light novel and Web novel could share 6 then.
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What is his immo and Regen feats? And what stops Fate Erasure, which is above time and history erasure, with those having their timeline erased still existing in fate, with direct statements of being above time. Then there's the plethora of sealing and fate shenanigans he can do.
 
Robo432343 said:
where did you get that from
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Well, the explanation refers to just the Type 1 Specific Nonduality, which doesn't grant ontological superior over all Dualities, it would be NLF to assume if it grants immunity to all abilities.


For example, if you're neither dead or alive, meaning you're outside of that duality, but you can still be erased conceptually or other form of such.

Transduality, type 2 and 3 grants immunity by default, since you are ontologically beyond where those powers apply which isn't specific type. Unless if the said character has transdual nature as well, so indeed it could affect such.. But otherwise yeah.
 
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