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Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki

What is his immo and Regen feats?
All immortalities, for his type 9 he has his main body in his Imaginary space, which is infinite compared to the cosmology. I'm not sure what range you need for it, I think its 2-B but I might be wrong. And high godly regen based on type 2 information.
And what stops Fate Erasure, which is above time and history erasure, with those having their timeline erased still existing in fate, with direct statements of being above time. Then there's the plethora of sealing and fate shenanigans he can do.
Would Ac1, 3, & 4 do anything? He resists sealing and fate stuff too.
 
All immortalities, for his type 9 he has his main body in his Imaginary space, which is infinite compared to the cosmology. I'm not sure what range you need for it, I think its 2-B but I might be wrong. And high godly regen based on type 2 information.
The type 9 he probably can't reach, but for high godly, WW can do both concept and fate erasure.
Would Ac1, 3, & 4 do anything? He resists sealing and fate stuff too.
Not really? Verse already has type 4, and his Duyi Realm as well as fate stuff (which are layered to hell and back) can negate his type 3, and can negate stuff such as having other bodies to resurrect in or whatever.
 
The type 9 he probably can't reach, but for high godly, WW can do both concept and fate erasure.
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't Rimuru still be able to come back? And what does fate erasure mean?
Not really? Verse already has type 4, and his Duyi Realm as well as fate stuff (which are layered to hell and back) can negate his type 3, and can negate stuff such as having other bodies to resurrect in or whatever.
Yes, so it seems Rimuru is relying on his type 9 to survive.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't Rimuru still be able to come back? And what does fate erasure mean?
Maybe, though fate erasure includes Karma Erasure, which would erase any cause, effect, etc... you have done, and erase you from history (even if in different universes).

Then, fate erasure would also erase you, except it is higher than history erasure, and would remove you from the River of Fate.

Though WW can also just... Erase him via concept type 1.

Though isn't Rimuru's profile outdated?
 
Maybe, though fate erasure includes Karma Erasure, which would erase any cause, effect, etc... you have done, and erase you from history (even if in different universes). Then, fate erasure would also erase you, except it is higher than history erasure, and would remove you from the River of Fate.
I'm not sure what erasing someone's causality or fate entails, but Rimuru has Ac1 for history erasure.

Though WW can also just... Erase him via concept type 1.

Though isn't Rimuru's profile outdated?
Yeah Rimurus profile is very outdated. Like 15 crts full of hax. We should probably wait till adding him, cause then he'll have layers and hgr based on type 1 concepts etc.
 
Well, the explanation refers to just the Type 1 Specific Nonduality, which doesn't grant ontological superior over all Dualities, it would be NLF to assume if it grants immunity to all abilities.


For example, if you're neither dead or alive, meaning you're outside of that duality, but you can still be erased conceptually or other form of such.

Transduality, type 2 and 3 grants immunity by default, since you are ontologically beyond where those powers apply which isn't specific type. Unless if the said character has transdual nature as well, so indeed it could affect such.. But otherwise yeah.
This is not really true. From the nonduality page:
Frequently, this power can render users immune to effects intermediated through the dualities in question, but the fiction has to specify that this is what a character's nonduality does in order for us to assume immunity.
Even if a character has Type 2 nonduality we wouldn't assume immunity by default.

There is nothing in the nonduality page that states this rule would only be specific for Type 1 either.
 
Borrowing from the Top 15 list, Characters from Touhou Project should definitely be on here, I don't know who the strongest character is but here's the main character. They'd probably go above Kirby

We can throw Kamen Rider Saber here too, depending on how good his plot shenanigans are he might be able to get up as far as 12th place. If not, he'd probably fall somewhere between #'s 13-15, but definitely above Touhou Project.

Lastly Characters from Earthbound (Ness, Giygas, and Dark Dragon) also above Kirby but below Touhou
 
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I have a question—why aren’t there any characters from Tensura on the list? Even though many of them are stronger than several characters who made it into the ranking
 
I have a question—why aren’t there any characters from Tensura on the list? Even though many of them are stronger than several characters who made it into the ranking
Endless has probably been busy, and Tensura would probably take 6th
 
doesn't LN rimuru stomp anos
he cant interact with info 2 (for now)

Well 🗿

Information Manipulation (Types 1 & 2. <Teles> engraves knowledge directly into the target's head[94]. Can interact with and destroy Spirits[95]),
 
What does 6th place's plot manipulation do? How does it grt past WW's passives with numerous layers
 
What does 6th place's plot manipulation do? How does it grt past WW's passives with numerous layers
Passive Plot Manipulation & Reality Warping (Can altered the story with a pencil, Monica and her gang are stated to be invincible because they are protected by the writers,[33] changed the title of the story,[34] Cebolinha refusing to complet things made reality become more and more basic,[35] can end the story by writing "end" in a paper[36])
A statement about being invincible due to writers, with the scan stating that the author can imagine ways for them to win. That's about it for the passive part apparently. At least the scans aren't dead now. Though I'm unsure how dudes without resistance to plot can win against them if WW cannot due to plot shenanigans.

I'll wait for people to explain more on the listing.
 
A statement about being invincible due to writers, with the scan stating that the author can imagine ways for them to win. That's about it for the passive part apparently. At least the scans aren't dead now. Though I'm unsure how dudes without resistance to plot can win against them if WW cannot due to plot shenanigans.

I'll wait for people to explain more on the listing.
Could you make a vs thread and post it in the general TM discussion
 
A statement about being invincible due to writers, with the scan stating that the author can imagine ways for them to win. That's about it for the passive part apparently. At least the scans aren't dead now. Though I'm unsure how dudes without resistance to plot can win against them if WW cannot due to plot shenanigans.

I'll wait for people to explain more on the listing.
Isnt that also like 1-A smurf stuff
 
WW can exist in a void, and so do many cultivators. Then there's the fact that WW is part true nothingness (NEP2), and is above Wuji (before existence), so, I'd say yes.
If he beats Cebolinha and Dona Morte, maybe he would stalement with Magalactus, since Magali maybe can't kill him, and WW can't affect magali because she is bigger than a multiverse
 
If he beats Cebolinha and Dona Morte, maybe he would stalement with Magalactus, since Magali maybe can't kill him, and WW can't affect magali because she is bigger than a multiverse
I think he comfortably beats Dona based on what I've seen, and Cebolinha, the passive plot stuff is the only problem, and even then, it's very debatable. As for Magali, I don't think the size matters as long as she's 4-D. Dude can simply hit her with causality erasure, history erasure, or fate erasure, which... don't really care about size. If they exist, they exist within the River of Fate, so he can just like, delete them.

There was a feat in the novel, albeit it wasn't about size but moreso range, where a character had multiple clones across the entire multiverse. WW simply just cut small strings, and they died. The case should be similar here.
 
I think he comfortably beats Dona based on what I've seen, and Cebolinha, the passive plot stuff is the only problem, and even then, it's very debatable. As for Magali, I don't think the size matters as long as she's 4-D. Dude can simply hit her with causality erasure, history erasure, or fate erasure, which... don't really care about size. If they exist, they exist within the River of Fate, so he can just like, delete them.

There was a feat in the novel, albeit it wasn't about size but moreso range, where a character had multiple clones across the entire multiverse. WW simply just cut small strings, and they died. The case should be similar here.
Size matters, lol. One of the reasons Pokemon was unbeatable on 2-B in the past, was because they were too big to be affected by everything below them.
The erasure will simply put her at her NEP state. Is not similiar, she don't have clones, is only one Magali that is bigger than a multiverse and also has plot hax protecting her
 
Size matters, lol. One of the reasons Pokemon was unbeatable on 2-B in the past, was because they were too big to be affected by everything below them.
The erasure will simply put her at her NEP state. Is not similiar, she don't have clones, is only one Magali that is bigger than a multiverse and also has plot hax protecting her
I don't really understand? I mean, if it was a usual attack, I would understand not being to cover the entire size. But with how the verse showcased the abilities, I really don't see their size mattering that much? They exist, therefore, they are in the river of fate (not to mention, since we are taking the 4-D interpretation, the River of Fate encompasses everything in-verse, so like, It'd be more than enough to cover her. Though I guess I need to make a CRT, maybe, idk, since he doesn't really have the range but it's a property of the River of Fate). Not to mention, with Causality/History erasure, the way it works isn't by taking their size, but just showcasing every action they ever took, and WW just cutting. There were many instances where the distance was in the 2-B/2-A range, but it didn't matter, since it doesn't care about range.

But whatever, if that's the case, I don't mind being Incon honestly, as I think a few people would feel iffy with the River of Fate shenanigans. Though I don't understand the NEP part, as NEP1 is easily covered in verse by the fact that every cultivator can affect the void, and even destroy it. So like-
 
I don't really understand? I mean, if it was a usual attack, I would understand not being to cover the entire size. But with how the verse showcased the abilities, I really don't see their size mattering that much? They exist, therefore, they are in the river of fate (not to mention, since we are taking the 4-D interpretation, the River of Fate encompasses everything in-verse, so like, It'd be more than enough to cover her. Though I guess I need to make a CRT, maybe, idk, since he doesn't really have the range but it's a property of the River of Fate). Not to mention, with Causality/History erasure, the way it works isn't by taking their size, but just showcasing every action they ever took, and WW just cutting. There were many instances where the distance was in the 2-B/2-A range, but it didn't matter, since it doesn't care about range.
IDK, I saw in old threads about Arceus and the trio where the other part absolute stomp the pokemons, but because of their being too big, become a incon. I think that's is to prevent NLF.

I think If WW killed someone that had clones in a 2-B/2-A range, he should have 2-B/2-A range
 
IDK, I saw in old threads about Arceus and the trio where the other part absolute stomp the pokemons, but because of their being too big, become a incon. I think that's is to prevent NLF.
I think that just depends on the mechanism of the ability that affects them. I also remember those threads, altho they are pretty old, and I think Agnaa made a thread about size stuff a pretty while ago.
I think If WW killed someone that had clones in a 2-B/2-A range, he should have 2-B/2-A range
Maybe. Honestly I wasn't sure how to index it, since he isn't like, covering 2-B range or whatever, his ability doesn't reach that far. It's the fact that since they did actions or anything really, and since causality exists everywhere, the strings of causality would be near him, and he can just cut/erase it. That's why I didn't think it was conventional 2-B range.
 
I think that just depends on the mechanism of the ability that affects them. I also remember those threads, altho they are pretty old, and I think Agnaa made a thread about size stuff a pretty while ago.
IDK, its better ask a mod or someone more experient in matchs
Maybe. Honestly I wasn't sure how to index it, since he isn't like, covering 2-B range or whatever, his ability doesn't reach that far. It's the fact that since they did actions or anything really, and since causality exists everywhere, the strings of causality would be near him, and he can just cut/erase it. That's why I didn't think it was conventional 2-B range.
I mean, If the abilitie reach all the universes and his causality is everywhere, I think should be 2-B/2-A via Causality
 
IDK, its better ask a mod or someone more experient in matchs
Probably.
I mean, If the abilitie reach all the universes and his causality is everywhere, I think should be 2-B/2-A via Causality
The problem is that it isn't his causality, it's just that Causality itself of the world is everywhere, and any action that character did will have strings, which WW just erases.

But whatever. We're kinda derailing here, and supposed to talk about it in the other VS thread. I'm fine with Incon for the time being.
 
For Final Fantasy characters the four best example of powerful candidates I found were Ultima, Lightning, Bhunivelze and The Creator. (Honourable mentions to Mommy's boy, Tragic man, VOID! and CHAOS!!!). All these characters have access to different variations of FFs abstract magic system (depending on the setting), have a ton of resists and most of their best hax is thought based with 2-A range plus a few passives on top.

Keep in mind the verse is still ongoing revisions and layers haven't been figured out yet, so yeah...

Also I nominate characters from Sonic the Hedgehog for a spot, most noteworthy mention going to...

*Djinn: passive law and text hax with access to plot absorption/restoration plus typical RW shenanigans and as a Sonic character is naturally really fast with infinite speed.

Honourable mention to (incomplete) Dark Gaia: Has type 2 AE/type 8 immortality, incorporeality, hive mind type 2 and multilocation type 1 making it very difficult to perma put him down while his presence causes corruption (both types) as well as mind and emotional effects.

Thoughts?
 
For Final Fantasy characters the four best example of powerful candidates I found were Ultima, Lightning, Bhunivelze and The Creator. (Honourable mentions to Mommy's boy, Tragic man, VOID! and CHAOS!!!). All these characters have access to different variations of FFs abstract magic system (depending on the setting), have a ton of resists and most of their best hax is thought based with 2-A range plus a few passives on top.
I'd suggest outright removing some of them so that it doesn't get too crowded. It should just be Lightning, Bhunivelze, Sephiroth, and Yuel (for plot shenanigans while Caius does the fighting for her). The Creator should be the only honorable mention.

Exdeath is pretty unnecessary and is just ok, by today's standards at this point and while Ultima is good, other characters just eclipse her in terms offensive hax.
 
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Also I nominate characters from Sonic the Hedgehog for a spot, most noteworthy mention going to...

*Djinn: passive law and text hax with access to plot absorption/restoration plus typical RW shenanigans and as a Sonic character is naturally really fast with infinite speed.

Honourable mention to (incomplete) Dark Gaia: Has type 2 AE/type 8 immortality, incorporeality, hive mind type 2 and multilocation type 1 making it very difficult to perma put him down while his presence causes corruption (both types) as well as mind and emotional effects.

Thoughts?
Kind of two different cases here. I don't see Erazor Djinn getting very far even with that passive Text and Plot stuff, he doesn't really have any resistances. The highest I could see is maybe going above Kirby, but Dark Gaia though I could see in 15 above DMC and Magic
 
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Probably.

The problem is that it isn't his causality, it's just that Causality itself of the world is everywhere, and any action that character did will have strings, which WW just erases.

But whatever. We're kinda derailing here, and supposed to talk about it in the other VS thread. I'm fine with Incon for the time being.
After a bit of debating, it was agreed that Wang Wei incons with the 6th place characters for now.
 
As Monika stomped Asriel here, I think she deserves a spot above UT characters imo.

Or better: Characters from Doki Doki Literature Club (Monika & Sayori), as the latter has pretty much the exact same powers of the former but with less experience.
 
We can throw Kamen Rider Saber here too,
Bump. Not really sure where specifically he can go but I'm thinking he can at least safely be put above Touhou but unsure how he fares against DMC and Magic.

Characters from Azure Striker Gunvolt should definitely be here for at least #14 maybe #13 alongside the other two reps. Most people on this list don't really have an answer for Pervasion and Astral Order has 2-A potency.

Lastly delete Parca's #30 spot just so we can have that clear
 
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