Transduality question

[Orioreeem]

If you have transduality(not nonduality) type 1 or 2 or 3 does that imply you are at least 1-A(or that you need to be 1-A to have transduality)?
Does that by default mean you are interactable to every duality in verse? If so does that apply on your level of existance(in our case 1-A) or below it? If it's below it then it doesn't make sense because you are already beyond them because you are 1-A.
If verse shows duality and has feats of character not being interacted with duo to it is that transduality or just nonduality? Do you need to be 1-A to get transduality or would the character above get 1-A because of jis feat of uninteractability?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If you have transduality(not nonduality) type 1 or 2 or 3 does that imply you are at least 1-A(or that you need to be 1-A to have transduality)?

Having Transduality and being a Tier are completely unrelated. Though transduality in the sense of transcending certain concepts, like space, for example, can get you to 1-A.

Does that by default mean you are interactable to every duality in verse?

Transduality & Nonduality give no other benefits outside of what's addressed in the verse.

If so does that apply on your level of existance(in our case 1-A) or below it? If it's below it then it doesn't make sense because you are already beyond them because you are 1-A.

If your 1-A anything below you shouldn't be able to interact with or affect you in any meaningful way, at least without you allowing it to happen, regardless of Transduality or lack thereof.

If verse shows duality and has feats of character not being interacted with duo to it is that transduality or just nonduality?

Not interacting with duality could be seen as nonduality, but requires more evidence.

Do you need to be 1-A to get transduality or would the character above get 1-A because of jis feat of uninteractability?

No, as I said, transduality and 1-A are not linked at all. The only Tier that comes with Transduality or Nonduality is Tier 0.

 

[Orioreeem]

Having Transduality and being a Tier are completely unrelated. Though transduality in the sense of transcending certain concepts, like space, for example, can get you to 1-A.

Ah so if transduality or nonduality in verse give you transcendness you can be 1-A?

Not interacting with duality could be seen as nonduality, but requires more evidence.

I meant it like
If a nonduality in verse gives you ability to be uninteracted by other powers in verse would that be enough to say that you transcend those concepts to the point of you being 1-A.

No, as I said, transduality and 1-A are not linked at all. The only Tier that comes with Transduality or Nonduality is Tier 0.

So what is difference between nonduality and transduality since the page does note that there is a difference?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Ah so if transduality or nonduality in verse give you transcendness you can be 1-A?

Yes.

I meant it like If a nonduality in verse gives you ability to be uninteracted by other powers in verse would that be enough to say that you transcend those concepts to the point of you being 1-A.

No.

So what is difference between nonduality and transduality since the page does note that there is a difference?

Nonduality does not include superiority; Transduality does. Being outside of all dual concepts does not scale you beyond them. Transcending them does.

 

[Orioreeem]

Nonduality does not include superiority; Transduality does. Being outside of all dual concepts does not scale you beyond them. Transcending them does.

Superiority in what sense? I guess just in terms of charcters not being able to interact with you because of transduality and not because of qualitative superiority needed for 1-A

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Superiority in what sense? I guess just in terms of charcters not being able to interact with you because of transduality and not because of qualitative superiority needed for 1-A

The same type of superiroity we use in the Tiering System.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Having Transduality and being a Tier are completely unrelated. Though transduality in the sense of transcending certain concepts, like space, for example, can get you to 1-A.

No, as I said, transduality and 1-A are not linked at all.

Are you sure? Because the non-duality page states this;

On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them.

 

[Orioreeem]

The same type of superiroity we use in the Tiering System.

And that one is used for 1-A and somehow they are generally not connected?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Are you sure? Because the non-duality page states this;

Not all verses have space and time as dualities or other concepts that, when transcended, make you 1-A. You can have transduality over your verse and still not be 1-A.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

And that one is used for 1-A and somehow they are generally not connected?

I'm saying that transduality does not guarantee 1-A. It requires specific statements or feats for it too make you 1-A.

Transcending the dual concepts of life and death won't make you 1-A, unless to concepts are already 1-A in the verse. On the other hand, if it's specified their transduality includes transcending concepts like dimensions, 1-A is a possibility.

 

[Orioreeem]

Not all verses have space and time as dualities or other concepts that, when transcended, make you 1-A. You can have transduality over your verse and still not be 1-A.

I mean every verse has concept of space and concept of time. Don't we by default assume that if there is duality then every concept is part of it? And if it's transduality type 2 or 3 the case should be clear. Or does space and time have to form a specific duality? If so that would be weird because negation of space is not-space and time is not-time. So how would you go about proving transduality? Any examples that qualifies would be nice.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I mean every verse has concept of space and concept of time. Don't we by default assume that if there is duality then every concept is part of it?

Not every verse has platonic concepts, so no. Concepts have to be introduced into a verse, because concepts aren't real.

And if it's transduality type 2 or 3 the case should be clear. Or does space and time have to form a specific duality? If so that would be weird because negation of space is not-space and time is not-time.

Transduality is usually obtained by transcending concepts in general, because not all concepts fit within a duality.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Not all verses have space and time as dualities or other concepts that, when transcended, make you 1-A. You can have transduality over your verse and still not be 1-A.

Oh I thought it was required to have QS for Transduality, thanks! Though how would one showcase Transduality?

Would a statement similar to this (cough) be enough, or would it require more direct statements?

Ex. "Its infiniteness transcends time" and "devoid of all concepts" and other shenanigans?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Would a statement similar to this (cough) be enough, or would it require more direct statements?

Would be NEP.

Ex. "Its infiniteness transcends time" and "devoid of all concepts" and other shenanigans?

Yeah.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Not all verses have space and time as dualities or other concepts that, when transcended, make you 1-A. You can have transduality over your verse and still not be 1-A.

I'm saying that transduality does not guarantee 1-A. It requires specific statements or feats for it too make you 1-A.

Transcending the dual concepts of life and death won't make you 1-A, unless to concepts are already 1-A in the verse. On the other hand, if it's specified their transduality includes transcending concepts like dimensions, 1-A is a possibility.

Where's the source for this? Qualitative superiority has one meaning:

A: To put it simply: It is superiority over lesser things that involves no element of quantity, or amount, in any manner whatsoever. It, instead, hinges entirely on the nature of the character's existence and ontology. In general, all characters with such superiority over lesser things are 1-A.

So you can argue that “Transduality” and “Outerversal” aren't mutually exclusive terms. You can’t say that for qualitative superiority since that's purely on the nature of the being/place in question. So being “qualitatively beyond” a dual system does not hinge on what the “dual system” is but the quality of said transcendence which is qualitative in this case.

Qualitative superiority comes with packages since it is mutually exclusive with 1-A which is being beyond time, space, and dimensions(even if not mentioned/indirectly). R>F is a jump in the state of existence but it does not require time and space to be a thing unless the baseline level of reality is just an illusion.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Where's the source for this? Qualitative superiority has one meaning:

So you can argue that “Transduality” and “Outerversal” aren't mutually exclusive terms. You can’t say that for qualitative superiority since that's purely on the nature of the being/place in question. So being “qualitatively beyond” a dual system does not hinge on what the “dual system” is but the quality of said transcendence which is qualitative in this case.

That's why I used the broad term transcendence. Not all forms of transcendence are qualitative. You can be transcendent over concepts without being 1-A.

 

[Wesker018]

Where's the source for this? Qualitative superiority has one meaning:

So you can argue that “Transduality” and “Outerversal” aren't mutually exclusive terms. You can’t say that for qualitative superiority since that's purely on the nature of the being/place in question. So being “qualitatively beyond” a dual system does not hinge on what the “dual system” is but the quality of said transcendence which is qualitative in this case.

Qualitative superiority comes with packages since it is mutually exclusive with 1-A which is being beyond time, space, and dimensions(even if not mentioned/indirectly). R>F is a jump in the state of existence but it does not require time and space to be a thing unless the baseline level of reality is just an illusion.

i agree with this, the transduality page specifically say: qualitative superiority. And qualitative superiority is at least 1-A by FAQ page. So make no sense to have TD without beign at least 1-A since that would contradict the requeriment of having qualitative superiority over dualities.