Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Testarossa002]

They should’ve developed her secondary abilities better. Sasuke, at the start of Shippuden, already had Kirin, multiple Chidori (lightning style) variations, summoning techniques (snakes), was skilled with a sword, and even had better genjutsu feats and proficiency, all with just a 3-tomoe Sharingan. Meanwhile, Sarada is being made overly dependent on her eyes, which she can barely use, and only has basic Chidori and Fire Style techniques.

Sarada has:

• Chidori Nagashi
• Lightning Armour
• Bunch of other Raiton techniques she copied
• Genjutsu, which she, for her age, used way more times than Sasuke pre-shippuden. In fact, she's shown the capability to free herself from another's genjutsu by overriding it with one of hers
• Her mother's combat style (which she copied and developed on)
• Fuuton

 

[Testarossa002]

tbf Sasuke was trained under the one and only Orochimaru. Whereas Sarada afaik trained alone. The difference between having an OP Master and training alone would be staggering. However I do agree, I wish she had a bit more too.

This too
She was mostly self-taught
Outside of Chidori and Sharingan Kinetic vision training, she didn't really get any type of specialised training

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Are we counting sarada's ms ability as black hole?

 

[Stryker861]

Are we counting sarada's ms ability as black hole?

Atm no, just gravity manip

 

[MinatoSparkle]

We all in agreement that MS Sarada is top 10 in the verse?

 

[Kaydee1648]

mos def
she probably beats all other shinju asides Jura

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yeah tbh, none of them (other than maybe Mamushi who we haven't seen the full abilities of) have a counter to her just pulling them into a black hole and crushing them. If she has enough stamina, there's a case for a 1v4 W but they might be able to catch her slipping in that case.

 

[Damage3245]

We all in agreement that MS Sarada is top 10 in the verse?

Top 20, maybe.

 

[KingogKings777]

We all in agreement that MS Sarada is top 10 in the verse?

No not really until her abilities get expanded on more and more resistant stuff cause Sasori still beating alot of the Boruto characters with poison etc.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Top 20, maybe.

Who do you think you can't beat?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Top 20, maybe.

Who's superior outside of Shibai, Jura, Baryon Mode Naruto, Isshiki, Daemon, Boruto, and MAYBE some of the Shinju Ego/Code?

No not really until her abilities get expanded on more and more resistant stuff cause Sasori still beating alot of the Boruto characters with poison etc.

 

[Nierre]

No not really until her abilities get expanded on more and more resistant stuff cause Sasori still beating alot of the Boruto characters with poison etc.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sarada cliffs in stats, victor depends on how you think Ohirume interacts with Kaguya's chakra absorption and how exactly "immortal" Kaguya is

 

[Damage3245]

Who's superior outside of Shibai, Jura, Baryon Mode Naruto, Isshiki, Daemon, Boruto, and MAYBE some of the Shinju Ego/Code?

I personally don't see her beating prime Sasuke, Kaguya, or Momoshiki either.

 

[Nierre]

they all have counters to her abilities so i agree there

 

[ssgengar]

Yeah def not beating Kaguya imo. In character she just starts with BFR and leaves Sarada in any dimension she wants

If she has enough stamina, there's a case for a 1v4 W but they might be able to catch her slipping in that case.

I know you’re not saying this is definite or anything but yeah uh I wouldn’t go that far at all lol

 

[KingogKings777]

Yall know I'm right

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

My Top 10 of the verse as of TBV 21 (Not by Wiki Standards):

1. Shibai
2. Jura/Daemon
3. Boruto (W/ Uzuhiko)
4. Code
5. Sasuke (Rinnegone)
6. Limited Kawaki
7. Sarada (W/ Ohirume)
8. Ryu
9. Naruto (Kurama-less)
10. Hidari

Not counting past versions of characters or those who are dead atp in the story. Sarada would be bumped out of Top 10 if that were the case. Hidari would be pushed out depending on how Jura and Daemon ultimately scale in regards to each other.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I personally don't see her beating prime Sasuke, Kaguya, or Momoshiki either.

Kaguya is one thing cause of her regeneration, but Sarada is stat cliffing tf out of Sasuke and Momoshiki. Even in 3T, letalone with the MS.

 

[Nierre]

i only have Sarada "stat cliffing" with the Chidori which they all have counters to. Momoshiki should be able to absorb pretty much every Jutsu Sarada throws out, and Sasuke skill stomps her

 

[Damage3245]

Sasuke has Amaterasu + making Sarada into the core of a Chibaku Tensei if he wants. Not to mention teleporting away from her black holes.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

i only have Sarada "stat cliffing" with the Chidori which they all have counters to. Momoshiki should be able to absorb pretty much every Jutsu Sarada throws out, and Sasuke skill stomps her

Sarada is Jigen level+ in stats, she legitimately probably blitzes them with Chidori

Sasuke has Amaterasu

Dodged or Black Holed

+ making Sarada into the core of a Chibaku Tensei if he wants. Not to mention teleporting away from her black holes.

She probably just breaks out of that like Momoshiki in the anime. Her Black Hole could also probably prevent that or drag her out.

 

[Testarossa002]

She probably just breaks out of that like Momoshiki in the anime.

She's doesn't have the raw strength/dura to do that. She gets squashed the moment he does that

 

[Nierre]

Sarada is Jigen level+ in stats, she legitimately probably blitzes them with Chidori

not really. she has no feats that put her that high.

Hidari casually blocked Sarada's kick before nearly consuming her

 

[MinatoSparkle]

She's doesn't have the raw strength/dura to do that. She gets squashed the moment he does that

At least with ninjutsu she definitely has the AP to do so

not really. she has no feats that put her that high.

Hidari casually blocked Sarada's kick before nearly consuming her

Hidari>>Jigen so not saying much but either way Chidori should be enough

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Personally I don't even think she can even beat blind madara lol.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

 

[Damage3245]

Let's be real; Muu could beat her in a fight too.

 

[Arkenis]

Idk who added Sarada's new ms abilities but the references aren't properly made.

 

[Nierre]

Hidari>>Jigen so not saying much but either way Chidori should be enough

Sarada has no physical feats that put her above Jigen.

Chidori gets absorbed

 

[Nierre]

Idk who added Sarada's new ms abilities but the references aren't properly made.

Sarada is getting a new timeskip profile so she shouldnt even have any timeskip abilities so they should be reversed

 

[Damage3245]

I'll rolled those changes back due to no CRT.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sarada has no physical feats that put her above Jigen.

Her speed is definitely on that level

Chidori gets absorbed

Sasuke and Momoshiki are probably getting blitzed and one shot before they can even use absorption, much like Boro couldn't swap his core before Sarada blitzed him (not to mention that Sasuke almost never uses his Rinnegan abilities besides Amenetojikara anyways).

Also even if you think Sasuke and Momoshiki would beat her, she beats people that are superior to them like Ryu and probably Hidari/Matsuri/Mamushi/Code, so she's superior to them in overall combat ability.

 

[Testarossa002]

Except, unlike Code, who's superior to them in all physical aspects in addition to his Karma, Sarada is only that tier with 2 jutsus. It's just a case of compatibility and not one of overall combat ability
It's like saying Konohamaru is superior to Jigen as an overall combatant because he has a rasengan and speed feats here and there. Even though he gets one-shot by the first rod jigen sends his way

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Except, unlike Code, who's superior to them in all physical aspects in addition to his Karma, Sarada is only that tier with 2 jutsus. It's just a case of compatibility and not one of overall combat ability
It's like saying Konohamaru is superior to Jigen as an overall combatant because he has a rasengan and speed feats here and there. Even though he gets one-shot by the first rod jigen sends his way

It's not about all aspects or not, it's about how many people above them she can take out. Bad matchups/counters exist at all levels

 

[Nierre]

Her speed is definitely on that level

sure. I don't have their speeds that much higher considering Sasuke is able to damage Code, which to me means it's not a blitz level speed gap. So he should be able to tango, even if inferior.

Sasuke and Momoshiki are probably getting blitzed and one shot before they can even use absorption

Base Momoshiki sure.

Also even if you think Sasuke and Momoshiki would beat her, she beats people that are superior to them like Ryu and probably Hidari/Matsuri/Mamushi/Code, so she's superior to them in overall combat ability.

Thanks to her MS, sure. Fights aren't black and white, just because she has a solid advantage with her MS doesn't mean they can't counterplay or stand a chance.

Sasuke is still far more skilled than Sarada even with the MS. Code and neither of the Shinju (probably bar Jura) are that skilled so putting Sarada above or comparable to them doesn't matter.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Jura is included in the statement the Shinju's being too much for Code to Handle. That being the case, what actually scales anyone other than Jura over Jigen?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

sure. I don't have their speeds that much higher considering Sasuke is able to damage Code, which to me means it's not a blitz level speed gap. So he should be able to tango, even if inferior.

Jigen was heavily overwhelming Naruto and Sasuke speedwise

Base Momoshiki sure.

Thanks to her MS, sure. Fights aren't black and white, just because she has a solid advantage with her MS doesn't mean they can't counterplay or stand a chance.

Sasuke is still far more skilled than Sarada even with the MS. Code and neither of the Shinju (probably bar Jura) are that skilled so putting Sarada above or comparable to them doesn't matter.

We're not talking about a skill ranking. If Sarada defeats a majority of characters on a certain level with a few (arguable) exceptions, then the "not black and white" aspect applies to those inferior characters that are bad match ups, not her.

Jura is included in the statement the Shinju's being too much for Code to Handle. That being the case, what actually scales anyone other than Jura over Jigen?

1. Eida hadn't seen anything from Jura
2. They tangoed with Boruto who fought Code

 

[Nierre]

Jigen was heavily overwhelming Naruto and Sasuke speedwise

I don't have Code > V2 Jigen.

We're not talking about a skill ranking. If Sarada defeats a majority of characters on a certain level with a few (arguable) exceptions, then the "not black and white" aspect applies to those inferior characters that are bad match ups, not her.

disagree.

 

[Nierre]

That being the case, what actually scales anyone other than Jura over Jigen?

Mamushi fought Boruto.

Hidari's Chidori clashed with Boruto's Rasengan.

Ryu threatened to kill Code so he should possibly scale to/above him.

Matsuri has absolutely nothing