Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Samlex1234]

There was no toying with Code, and neither was there any blitzing. The underestimating of Code and bluff by Boruto was brought to you by the fortune teller, Koji. They have already planned everything in advance.
What really happened -- Boruto charges Uzuhiko. Base Code jumped through the black bands in order to attack Boruto from behind. Boruto ducked, countered with Uzuhiko. Code catches Boruto Uzuhiko's hand. Karma begins to activate. It was already to late by the time, Uzuhiko had already entrapped Code. Code's movements were wonky, and his vision already blurry.
That so-called high-speed movement by Boruto could easily have been ftg. However, it won't count as blitzing since Code was pretty much sight and movement impeded.

This same fortune teller explicitly stated that if Boruto were to fight Jura one-on-one, he would die meaning that foresight alone is useless if you’re facing someone clearly stronger and Faster in the present. Even more for Boruto who directly does not have the Foresight himself to begin with.

As for Uzuhiko, its psychological effects only kicked in after Boruto landed the charged strike and that was after Code had already activated Karma and attempted to attack Boruto, to no effect.

And despite the teleportation feat, in the final moment before Boruto landed the blow, he looked White Karma Code dead in the eye, moved his hand, and hit him with Uzuhiko all before Code could even react. If White Karma Code was truly above Base Boruto like people claim, he would’ve at least been able to move or dodge before the hit landed. But he didn’t.

 

[Nierre]

Did he tho? Didn't Sarada kick a random claw grime and he then grabbed her foot as it was in contact with the black mark?

no he blocked it lol
her punches and kicks are able to send them flying that claw grime wasn't different from the others

 

[DavidTPPM]

no he blocked it lol
her punches and kicks are able to send them flying that claw grime wasn't different from the others

Idk, to me it looks like he grabbed her leg after she kicked the grime

 

[Nierre]

not to me.
also we have evidences of other claw grimes getting sent flying by sarada so we have no reason to assume this one is much different unless it has the Rinnegan.
it's very likely Hidari just grabbed her kick

 

[AnimesFreak2]

It’s been like what 20 years? Aren't they like decomposed?

Sure they keep em refrigerated

 

[Kayzz]

This same fortune teller explicitly stated that if Boruto were to fight Jura one-on-one, he would die meaning that foresight alone is useless if you’re facing someone clearly stronger and Faster in the present. Even more for Boruto who directly does not have the Foresight himself to begin with.

As for Uzuhiko, its psychological effects only kicked in after Boruto landed the charged strike and that was after Code had already activated Karma and attempted to attack Boruto, to no effect.

And despite the teleportation feat, in the final moment before Boruto landed the blow, he looked White Karma Code dead in the eye, moved his hand, and hit him with Uzuhiko all before Code could even react. If White Karma Code was truly above Base Boruto like people claim, he would’ve at least been able to move or dodge before the hit landed. But he didn’t.

No, foresight is not useless when facing a stronger and faster opponent, especially when prep is involved. Boruto just needed to land Uzuhiko, which partially was carried out by baiting base Code into cqc. Plus Koji's foresight is not the usual kind, it sees every possibility. And It doesn't matter if Boruto doesn't have the foresight himself. Koji clearly communicates with Boruto using the frog in his collar. And everything was already pre-planned, just needed the perfect execution. For Jura, it just means he has no weakness their prep can exploit. Most likely he bypasses uzuhiko and other Boruto's techs somehow.

Nope, Code's vision and balance was impaired pre-charged uzuhiko, and that realistically will slow his reactions.

^^ Boruto wasn't moving, yet Code uttered "quit moving around" and was just staggering. The effect got worse after the charged uzuhiko strike, which then caused physical damage. However, even with partial uzuhiko, Code's sense of direction had already started being f'd up. It's understandable he wouldn't react properly to Boruto.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Kaguya (likely pre-shinju) damaged Isshiki, boss.

Offguard. Onguard Isshiki>>Jigen>>Naruto+Sasuke>Fused Momoshiki>WA Kaguya>>Pre-Shinju Kaguya

She blitzed a Ryu that just took damage from Mitsuki.

He recovered and already started his jutsu activation

Plus I don't rate the shinju individually, above Code or Jigen (Besides Jura)

Jura hadn't done anything yet, so Eida's statement about the Shinju Ego being out of Code's league should at least mean Hidari + Mamushi + Matsuri>>Code, which would make them individually in the same league

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

@Kayzz
Let's give it time. We can come back to this Code vs Shinju topic when Code has another fight. As unfortunate as it is, the general consensus on this issue is that Code is not above the Shinju Individually. And that won't change without more feats and context.

Personally, I view it as: Jura > WK Code > Shinju Jutsu > Base Code ~ Base Boruto Physically ~ Mamushi Physically > Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Pre-Skip Borushiki.

 

[Nierre]

Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Pre-Skip Borushiki.

?

Borushiki with an empty tank, maybe.

But Borushiki with a full tank like against Boro (after absorbing Naruto's chakra) or against Kawaki/Code is far stronger than Sasuke, let alone a Sasuke with no Rinnegan.

Amado already stated that Code could beat Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke and Momoshiki humiliated Code. Not only that but in the anime Delta states that Boro was defeated by a force significantly stronger than a non nerfed Sasuke.

Borushiki had WK Code running for his life, he definitely clears Nerfed Sasuke.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Borushiki with an empty tank, maybe.

Injured and Concerned about Chakra Rinnegone Sasuke was equivalent to "Low on Chakra" Borushiki. And sure, you can argue, "Low on Chakra" this and that, but you can't escape the fact he had the Chakra to at least make 2 Cross Dimensional Jumps (From That Dimension to Jigen's Ten-tails Dimension and from Jigen's Ten-Tails Dimension back to Naruto Earth, WHILE hauling Kawaki & something as big as the Ten-Tails), all without refilling Boruto's tank, which is known to reawaken him -- I.E., Not an "empty tank" Borushiki. And yes, Momoshiki was well aware of the risks of absorbing Chakra.

So yes, "Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Borushiki" in my eyes and no amount of spin is changing that opinion because from perspective, there is no "valid" evidence to suggest otherwise.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Borushiki was matching Kawashiki.
Same Kawaki was later said to be so strong the entire village together can't control him.

Borushiki ~ Kawaki >>> no Kurama Naruto + rinnegone sauce + everyone else.

 

[Nierre]

Injured and Concerned about Chakra Rinnegone Sasuke was equivalent to "Low on Chakra" Borushiki. And sure, you can argue, "Low on Chakra" this and that, but you can't escape the fact he had the Chakra to at least make 2 Cross Dimensional Jumps (From That Dimension to Jigen's Ten-tails Dimension and from Jigen's Ten-Tails Dimension back to Naruto Earth, WHILE hauling Kawaki & something as big as the Ten-Tails), all without refilling Boruto's tank, which is known to reawaken him -- I.E., Not an "empty tank" Borushiki. And yes, Momoshiki was well aware of the risks of absorbing Chakra.

So yes, "Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Borushiki" in my eyes and no amount of spin is changing that opinion because from perspective, there is no "valid" evidence to suggest otherwise.

This is genuinely bad reading comprehension. You didn't bother to engage with any of my arguments other than the fact that Momoshiki was low on chakra.

Amado saying Code would beat Nerfed Naruto and Nerfed Sasuke in a 1v1?
Kawaki saying SM Naruto would lose to Code?
Delta saying full chakra Momoshiki was superior to Full power Sasuke?
Ada literally saying Code would die if he didn't escape?
MOMOSHIKI LITERALLY PUTTING CODE ON A SHIRT, TO THE POINT WHERE HE HAD TO TAKE KAWAKI AS HOSTAGE

Like bro you're purposely being obtuse because of one showing where both characters aren't at their best despite statements AND feats saying that while Sasuke was definitely not at his best condition (and neither was Momoshiki), Momoshiki AT HIS BEST? Is MILES ahead of Nerfed Sasuke.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Amado already stated that Code could beat Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke and Momoshiki humiliated Code.

Also, in regards to this, Amadou has a vested interest in making Kawaki despair about Naruto. Amadou contradicts himself. Naruto & Sasuke were able to fight Kv1 Jigen evenly (Sans bad ability match up for Naruto). Kv1 Jigen > WKC. Even if we take Amadou's statement that Code > Delta, Amadou ALSO states he doesn't know much power Naruto lost, which contradicts his ability to speak on Naruto vs Code in any capacity beyond, telling Kawaki the match wouldn't necessarily go as it did with Delta.

So when you point to "Amadou said... XYZ", it's not relevant beyond asserting Code > Delta. And Since Code isn't > Kv1 Jigen at that time, and Naruto had no killing Intent against Delta, your point of comparison is extremely flawed off bat.

Not only that but in the anime Delta states that Boro was defeated by a force significantly stronger than a non nerfed Sasuke.

IDC about the anime. It contradicts the entire fight with Team 7 unless you're going to tell me Team 7 > Naruto or Sasuke for keeping up and consistently damaging a non-unstable Boro. So no, the anime and it's misguided contradictions at certain points doesn't impact my thinking in the slightest. As with you, I use manga. And IDC how the anime is viewed on the Wiki. I'm talking about my own views, regardless of what the Wiki says (Which is why you don't see me trying to change it in CRT's or whatever).

Borushiki had WK Code running for his life, he definitely clears Nerfed Sasuke.

Disagree. Again, this based on misguided assertions around Amadou's statements and the actually feats, implications & context in the manga sorely disagrees with that take.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

This is genuinely bad reading comprehension. You didn't bother to engage with any of my arguments other than the fact that Momoshiki was low on chakra.

Actually, "Bad reading comprehension" is the absurd Borushiki take being presented by various people here, you included since you're pushing that narrative despite the actual context in the manga.

I suggest you read my next post before continuing to "raise the temperature" around this discussion.

And note, if I don't respond to various aspects of a post, it's "generally" because the core was addressed. Your take on Sasuke v Borushiki is just flat out false.

 

[Nierre]

I will say that I do concede on Amado not being trusted tbh

I forget how manipulative he is and he likely just manipulated Kawaki as well (and me)

 

[Nierre]

I suggest you read my next post before continuing to "raise the temperature" around this discussion.

You didn't bother to address my arguments until after the fact, so obviously I reacted that way. No point of replying to a comment if you're gonna go half way.

Your take on Sasuke v Borushiki is just flat out false.

My take on it wasn't false, I barely even touched on the fight. I touched on everything else around it which I do concede is pretty weak when you consider Amadou is the link that holds it all.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I will say that I do concede on Amado not being trusted tbh

I forget how manipulative he is and he likely just manipulated Kawaki as well (and me)

And brother, of all people here, I really don't want to have a bad spat over these discussions with you. We're more than capable of discussing this without insults (And yes, regardless of how ppl want to perceive it, the Reading Comprehension response is a shot fired).

Yes, we have varying opinions about XYZ but generally you're cool ASF and neutral for the most part. I would really prefer we don't go that route. It's not necessary.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

@Kayzz
Let's give it time. We can come back to this Code vs Shinju topic when Code has another fight. As unfortunate as it is, the general consensus on this issue is that Code is not above the Shinju Individually. And that won't change without more feats and context.

Personally, I view it as: Jura > WK Code > Shinju Jutsu > Base Code ~ Base Boruto Physically ~ Mamushi Physically > Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Pre-Skip Borushiki.

Borushiki>WK Limiters Code>Delta~SPSM Naruto~Rinnegan Sasuke>Rinnegone Sasuke

At least physically. You can argue stuff with the Perfect Susanoo but Code should narratively be above Nerfed Sasuke anyways

 

[Nierre]

Disagree. Again, this based on misguided assertions around Amadou's statements and the actually feats, implications & context in the manga sorely disagrees with that take.

I assume then you have WK Code below Naruto and Sasuke?

And brother, of all people here, I really don't want to have a bad spat over these discussions with you. We're more than capable of discussing this without insults (And yes, regardless of how ppl want to perceive it, the Reading Comprehension response is a shot fired).

Yes, we have varying opinions about XYZ but generally you're cool ASF and neutral for the most part. I would really prefer we don't go that route. It's not necessary.

Sure, I apologize for the way I responded to you. It's funny because I actually had this exact conversation with Slayer months ago and agreed so the fact that I came at you aggressively is embarrassingly funny so I apologize again

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I assume then you have WK Code below Naruto and Sasuke?

Yes. Also, recently I've been thinking about SM Naruto. We've discussed my views on Kurama and Naruto in past pages, but given SPC's relationship with "Nature Energy", I'm of the opinion now that Naruto doesn't get a huge boost from it in regards to Stats (He still gets the Sensory Perks and Frog Kata hax, etc) as it would likely be "Additive" and not "Multiplicative", if that makes sense.

Because otherwise, if we apply the SM Multiplier to Adult Base Naruto, logically SM would be "stronger" than SPSM Cloaked Naruto (Obviously SPSM still would retain the greater sensory abilities).

But since that's not the case, the former is more likely. That being said, the fact Naruto still has Speed Feats on par with Kawaki and Borushiki here reinforces my opinion of them being > Code.

Sure, I apologize for the way I responded to you. It's funny because I actually had this exact conversation with Slayer months ago and agreed so the fact that I came at you aggressively is embarrassingly funny so I apologize again

NP, fam.

 

[Nierre]

Yes. Also, recently I've been thinking about SM Naruto. We've discussed my views on Kurama and Naruto in past pages, but given SPC's relationship with "Nature Energy", I'm of the opinion now that Naruto doesn't get a huge boost from it in regards to Stats (He still gets the Sensory Perks and Frog Kata hax, etc) as it would likely be "Additive" and not "Multiplicative", if that makes sense.

Because otherwise, if we apply the SM Multiplier to Adult Base Naruto, logically SM would be "stronger" than SPSM Cloaked Naruto (Obviously SPSM still would retain the greater sensory abilities).

But since that's not the case, the former is more likely. That being said, the fact Naruto still has Speed Feats on par with Kawaki and Borushiki here reinforces my opinion of them being > Code

yeah definitely. If SPSM isn't a multiplier (it just isn't), and if it isn't a big amp (it isn't that big), then SM is also not a big amp

What are your thoughts on Sasuke being able to harm NL Code?

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

yeah definitely. If SPSM isn't a multiplier (it just isn't), and if it isn't a big amp (it isn't that big), then SM is also not a big amp

What are your thoughts on Sasuke being able to harm NL Code?

This is a tricky thing in my opinion. We see Boruto and Sasuke struggling against Code + Claw Grimes, but Code is in Base the entire flashback. Given this feat exists, it's highly unlikely Code fought Sasuke and Boruto in WC Form, because I don't see him getting tagged in that form, especially with his fighting style.

If that is the case, then Base Code has to scale over Rinnegone Sasuke (Based on his condition and statements), but not enough to not be taken by surprise.

Also, I will say that while Naruto Characters do have "some" resistance to Cutting/Piercing Damage (Naruto tanked Gaara's Sand Shuriken that were stated in the DB to easily cut through steel, Obito with Suigetsu's sword, Etc), I still view them as similar to OP Characters vs Bleach Characters, in that, unlike special cases like A3, they need Chakra Cloaks or Hardening Jutsu to block those type of attacks, otherwise, they get cut or stabbed. Unfortunately I know that take is contentious in this Era of VsBW.

I just don't see Naruto Characters as "Superman" but more so relative to "Captain America" in that they have Insane Strength and Power(s), but far weaker foes can harm them through such means means if they don't actively do something about it.

 

[Kayzz]

Offguard. Onguard Isshiki>>Jigen>>Naruto+Sasuke>Fused Momoshiki>WA Kaguya>>Pre-Shinju Kaguya

Well, the wiki obviously does not agree with you. Only Isshiki and Kaguya scale to 4B. Make it make sense.

He recovered and already started his jutsu activation

This is Araya's sealing jutsu some pages before

Araya's jutsu prevented Ryu from moving perfectly. And the jutsu was still active when Sarada so-called "blitzed" him.
Even then, Sarada admitted in the follow-up page that her attack did nothing because Ryu activated his logia ability before Sarada did any damage. So it was not a blitz.

Jura hadn't done anything yet, so Eida's statement about the Shinju Ego being out of Code's league should at least mean Hidari + Mamushi + Matsuri>>Code, which would make them individually in the same league

Firstly, Code didnt partake in that battle.
Secondly, "They are already out of his league" could easily be interpreted as they broke out of Code's control as a unit, which Jura is the main power behind that.
Thirdly, Eida is not a good confirmation of battle strength, seeing she's not a fighter. Code didn't partake in that battle. So what is her definite basis that they (individually) are stronger than WK Code?
Fourthly, why would Boruto be asking Code for help and to stand his ground, (and this was after he Boruto had been trapped) if he deemed Code weaker than they? Don't you think it's better to trust the judgement of a seasoned fighter like Boruto than Eida who barely knows any taijutsu. It's not like Senrigan gives Eida any understanding of what she is seeing.

 

[Foriaa]

We all in agreement that MS Sarada is top 10 in the verse?

Still Have these characters above (no order)

1. Shibai
2. Jura
3. Isshiki
4. NL Code
5. Kawaki
6. Sasuke (no rinne)
7. Daemon
8. Boruto
9. Hidari
10. KK

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sasuke (no rinne)
Hidari
KK

Why these people?

 

[Foriaa]

Jura is included in the statement the Shinju's being too much for Code to Handle. That being the case, what actually scales anyone other than Jura over Jigen?

Even though Code was off guard, he was still grabbed by his neck and unable to escape from Ryu's black sand, and later, Ryu ask's Jura if he's allowed to kill Code like he's confident in doing so.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well, the wiki obviously does not agree with you. Only Isshiki and Kaguya scale to 4B. Make it make sense.

Only IT Kaguya, not Base Kaguya and especially not Pre-Fruit Kaguya. I'm not arguing by the wiki stats anyways though.

This is Araya's sealing jutsu some pages before

Araya's jutsu prevented Ryu from moving perfectly. And the jutsu was still active when Sarada so-called "blitzed" him.

He used it to revert Ryu, not keep him in that form.

Even then, Sarada admitted in the follow-up page that her attack did nothing because Ryu activated his logia ability before Sarada did any damage. So it was not a blitz.

Fast enough that she hit him before he could fully transform or get out of the way, not a perception blitz though sure

Firstly, Code didnt partake in that battle.

Not relevant to my point

Secondly, "They are already out of his league" could easily be interpreted as they broke out of Code's control as a unit, which Jura is the main power behind that.

Come on now, that's clearly not the context, she immediately follows up that statement by calling them monsters. She would say "They're no longer in league with him" if she meant they were just no longer under his control.

Thirdly, Eida is not a good confirmation of battle strength, seeing she's not a fighter. Code didn't partake in that battle. So what is her definite basis that they (individually) are stronger than WK Code?

Observing their combat ability and comparing that to what she's seen of Code

Fourthly, why would Boruto be asking Code for help and to stand his ground, (and this was after he Boruto had been trapped) if he deemed Code weaker than they? Don't you think it's better to trust the judgement of a seasoned fighter like Boruto than Eida who barely knows any taijutsu. It's not like Senrigan gives Eida any understanding of what she is seeing.

If he can keep up to some extent it's still better than no help

 

[Foriaa]

Why these people?

Sasuke took down like a dozen Claw Grimes while also simultaneously being jumped by Code.

I think Hidari just has better feats on Boruto than Code does. He Rasen Chidori clashes witha Boruto who's trying to actively kill him as fast as possible to get the thorn soul from him, whereas Code got harassed by an uncharged Uzuhiko from a Boruto not trying to kill him and get intel.

KK is a little interesting, he probably is physically inferior to Sarada ninjutsu like Chidori and what not, but him having Ten Directions with physicals ~ to V2 Jigen might allow for him to get a win in a some weird ahh way, but I can def see Sarada still beating him with her grav pull and crushing him.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sasuke took down like a dozen Claw Grimes while also simultaneously being jumped by Code.

He also admittedly has no chance of defeating Code with Boruto's assistance

I think Hidari just has better feats on Boruto than Code does. He Rasen Chidori clashes witha Boruto who's trying to actively kill him as fast as possible to get the thorn soul from him, whereas Code got harassed by an uncharged Uzuhiko from a Boruto not trying to kill him and get intel.

I don't see what he does about Ohirume though

KK is a little interesting, he probably is physically inferior to Sarada ninjutsu like Chidori and what not, but him having Ten Directions with physicals ~ to V2 Jigen might allow for him to get a win in a some weird ahh way, but I can def see Sarada still beating him with her grav pull and crushing him.

Uhhhhhh why are his physicals relative to V2 Jigen? In base he's relative to 10% Base Jigen and SM Koji only has feats against a casual af Isshiki

 

[Foriaa]

He also admittedly has no chance of defeating Code with Boruto's assistance

That's fine, it doesn't really conflict with Sasuke having the AP to damage someone like Code. Sasuke knows that Code can bring in Claw Grimes into the fight, which would divert tf outta his attention while trying to fend off Code.

I don't see what he does about Ohirume though

Honestly, he might just get crushed by Ohirume. I do have Hidari > Ryu for obvious reasons, but Sarada can still just grav pull him and implode it.

Uhhhhhh why are his physicals relative to V2 Jigen?

He exist solely to take down Jigen, whether or not he can succeed is a different topic. I do have V2 Jigen beating SM KK, but not because of his physicals, more so because of Sukunhikona and Daikokuten being things that Koji doesn't have answers for.

 

[Kayzz]

Only IT Kaguya, not Base Kaguya and especially not Pre-Fruit Kaguya. I'm not arguing by the wiki stats anyways though.

He used it to revert Ryu, not keep him in that form.

Fast enough that she hit him before he could fully transform or get out of the way, not a perception blitz though sure

Not relevant to my point

Come on now, that's clearly not the context, she immediately follows up that statement by calling them monsters. She would say "They're no longer in league with him" if she meant they were just no longer under his control.

Observing their combat ability and comparing that to what she's seen of Code

If he can keep up to some extent it's still better than no help

There's nothing like base Kaguya in the context of the manga. Kaguya already had the rinnesharigan during her attack.

Reverting Ryu means controlling his body and forcing it into place.

Araya's jutsu slowed down Ryu's ability to shift. As long as it gives Araya control of Ryu's particles, then it hinders his body.

Calling them monsters don't matter. It is still in the same category as them breaking free from Code's control.

"If he can keep up to some extent it's still better than no help"
Code in base dodged a surprise sword swing from Hidari and you're here spouting "if he can keep up to an extent"
Why would Code even try to fight Jura if he really thought the Shinjus were stronger than himself?
And Code even watched all they did against Boruto, still challenged their leader which he would assume is the strongest.

 

[Testarossa002]

Why is everybody from KCM 1/Kisame Relativistic?
I know the value id from Guy's first gate multiplier but the profiles don't explain why they all scale to that multiplier

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Naruto should've learned the Gates. Kurama's Healing Factor with Gates stacked on top of SPSM... Bruh

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That's fine, it doesn't really conflict with Sasuke having the AP to damage someone like Code. Sasuke knows that Code can bring in Claw Grimes into the fight, which would divert tf outta his attention while trying to fend off Code.

Sarada has the AP to damage Code as well, more concrete speed scaling, and Ohirume solos

Honestly, he might just get crushed by Ohirume. I do have Hidari > Ryu for obvious reasons, but Sarada can still just grav pull him and implode it.

That's why I said MS Sarada and not 3T Sarada

He exist solely to take down Jigen, whether or not he can succeed is a different topic. I do have V2 Jigen beating SM KK, but not because of his physicals, more so because of Sukunhikona and Daikokuten being things that Koji doesn't have answers for.

Koji knew he only had a chance if Jigen was weakened, and his physical feats are clearly worse than Jigen's

There's nothing like base Kaguya in the context of the manga. Kaguya already had the rinnesharigan during her attack.

I'm saying pre-IT, the version that fought Naruto and Sasuke for the majority of the fight. This version of Kaguya is the one rated 4-B, and is not the one that offguarded Isshiki.

Reverting Ryu means controlling his body and forcing it into place.

Araya's jutsu slowed down Ryu's ability to shift. As long as it gives Araya control of Ryu's particles, then it hinders his body.

Araya's not even pointing his sword at Ryu at the point Sarada blitzed him

Calling them monsters don't matter. It is still in the same category as them breaking free from Code's control.

No, it adds to the context of her praising their power.

"If he can keep up to some extent it's still better than no help"
Code in base dodged a surprise sword swing from Hidari and you're here spouting "if he can keep up to an extent"

Dodging one attack over a fair distance from someone does not make you comparable in overall speed

Why would Code even try to fight Jura if he really thought the Shinjus were stronger than himself?
And Code even watched all they did against Boruto, still challenged their leader which he would assume is the strongest.

Unironic answer is that he's a bum (and he did attempt a surprise attack tbf). He also said he'll force to Jura hand over the chakra fruit immediately after getting ****** up by him. Boruto literally told him they'd kill him and Code thought that they could beat Boruto (who just slammed him) and was still willing to attack them all gathered together + one more.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why is everybody from KCM 1/Kisame Relativistic?
I know the value id from Guy's first gate multiplier but the profiles don't explain why they all scale to that multiplier

They are scaling to 6th gate guy.

 

[Testarossa002]

They are scaling to 6th gate guy.

Again, why?
The profiles didn't explain this

 

[Testarossa002]

Minor (or not) CRT

Edo Tensei Revision

This thread aims to argue that Kabuto’s version of Edo Tensei reanimations possess power levels that are at least equal to those of their living counterparts at their peak. Primary Evidence: Edo Mu is explicitly stated to retain the same level of power he had during his lifetime. Secondary...

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[karo_senpaii]

Again, why?
The profiles didn't explain this

Naruto scales to the edo jinjuriki who in turn scale to six gate guy.

 

[Samlex1234]

Also, in regards to this, Amadou has a vested interest in making Kawaki despair about Naruto. Amadou contradicts himself. Naruto & Sasuke were able to fight Kv1 Jigen evenly (Sans bad ability match up for Naruto). Kv1 Jigen > WKC. Even if we take Amadou's statement that Code > Delta, Amadou ALSO states he doesn't know much power Naruto lost, which contradicts his ability to speak on Naruto vs Code in any capacity beyond, telling Kawaki the match wouldn't necessarily go as it did with Delta.

So when you point to "Amadou said... XYZ", it's not relevant beyond asserting Code > Delta. And Since Code isn't > Kv1 Jigen at that time, and Naruto had no killing Intent against Delta, your point of comparison is extremely flawed off bat.

IDC about the anime. It contradicts the entire fight with Team 7 unless you're going to tell me Team 7 > Naruto or Sasuke for keeping up and consistently damaging a non-unstable Boro. So no, the anime and it's misguided contradictions at certain points doesn't impact my thinking in the slightest. As with you, I use manga. And IDC how the anime is viewed on the Wiki. I'm talking about my own views, regardless of what the Wiki says (Which is why you don't see me trying to change it in CRT's or whatever).

Disagree. Again, this based on misguided assertions around Amadou's statements and the actually feats, implications & context in the manga sorely disagrees with that take.

Even if we stick strictly to the manga, claiming Rinnegone Sasuke is on par with Borushiki is still clearly flawed. The scaling is straightforward:

Kawashiki ~ Full-power Borushiki > Code > Delta ≈ SPSM Naruto ≈ Healthy Rinnegan Sasuke > Fatigued Rinnegone Sasuke

We can’t pretend Naruto was “holding back” in speed or strength so much when he was relentlessly spamming Massive Rasengans against Delta after Delta threatened to kill Himawari. If a simple punch could’ve knocked her out, he would’ve used it. Also, K1 Jigen was already shown to be ≥ Naruto or Sasuke individually.

Amado outright states Code is stronger than Delta—

And based on his analogy even though full-power Naruto defeated Delta, Amado logically concludes that without Kurama, Naruto might die to Code. That wasn’t manipulation, it was logical deduction based on facts, outside of Amado’s intention the evidence is still clear, Code > Delta who fought on par with SPSM Naruto who is now Weaker due to losing Kurama would Lose to Code.


Kurama was a massive buff to Naruto. That’s not even debatable. Outside of SPSM + Kurama mode, even his more stronger forms like Kurama Avater mode still requires Kurama.

Other confirmations:

• Kawaki states Code > Delta:
• Code himself says he could take Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke together but plays it safe and Ada who has the seringan never contested this:
• Amado says only he can stop Kawaki in Konoha with the emergency shut down. Was he being manipulative to save his skin? Yes. But was the statement itself false? No. Amado was only stating the obvious and Ada/Daemon knew exactly how strong Kawaki was in fact she watched the entire fight when he gained his power and she also saw Naruto and Sasuke fight against Isshiki, and still wasn’t worried because of Daemon:

And it doesn’t stop there.

• Shikamaru says the village can’t stop Kawaki: https://imgur.com/a/NO0lVyW
• He doesn’t contest Amado’s claims, because he himself after witnessed Kawaki’s full power firsthand:
  
  

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The evidence stacks. It is very clear that Borushiki > Fatigued rinnegone Sasuke.

 

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Even if we stick strictly to the manga, claiming Rinnegone Sasuke is on par with Borushiki is still clearly flawed. The scaling is straightforward:

Kawashiki ~ Full-power Borushiki > Code > Delta ≈ SPSM Naruto ≈ Healthy Rinnegan Sasuke > Fatigued Rinnegone Sasuke

We can’t pretend Naruto was “holding back” in speed or strength so much when he was relentlessly spamming Massive Rasengans against Delta after Delta threatened to kill Himawari. If a simple punch could’ve knocked her out, he would’ve used it. Also, K1 Jigen was already shown to be ≥ Naruto or Sasuke individually.

Amado outright states Code is stronger than Delta—

And based on his analogy even though full-power Naruto defeated Delta, Amado logically concludes that without Kurama, Naruto might die to Code. That wasn’t manipulation, it was logical deduction based on facts, outside of Amado’s intention the evidence is still clear, Code > Delta who fought on par with SPSM Naruto who is now Weaker due to losing Kurama would Lose to Code.


Kurama was a massive buff to Naruto. That’s not even debatable. Outside of SPSM + Kurama mode, even his more stronger forms like Kurama Avater mode still requires Kurama.

Other confirmations:

• Kawaki states Code > Delta:
• Code himself says he could take Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke together but plays it safe and Ada who has the seringan never contested this:
• Amado says only he can stop Kawaki in Konoha with the emergency shut down. Was he being manipulative to save his skin? Yes. But was the statement itself false? No. Amado was only stating the obvious and Ada/Daemon knew exactly how strong Kawaki was in fact she watched the entire fight when he gained his power and she also saw Naruto and Sasuke fight against Isshiki, and still wasn’t worried because of Daemon:

And it doesn’t stop there.

• Shikamaru says the village can’t stop Kawaki: https://imgur.com/a/NO0lVyW
• He doesn’t contest Amado’s claims, because he himself after witnessed Kawaki’s full power firsthand:
  
  

  imgur.com

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The evidence stacks. It is very clear that Borushiki > Fatigued rinnegone Sasuke.

I'll respond tomorrow.