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Strongest 4-D Characters on the Wiki

AlphaOmegaV1 said:
Characters from Azure Striker Gunvolt should definitely be here for at least #14 maybe #13 alongside the other two reps. Most people on this list don't really have an answer for Pervasion and Astral Order has 2-A potency.
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Um, Acktually its Prevasion 🤓☝️

Anyways, he isn't really going to get that high tbh, the Grandmist Duology people do just resist that shit and passively destroy his soul let alone the fact they actively have CM 1 stuff to throw at him

Anyways going down the list to find people who I actually think beats him
14th) he can't actually hurt Mori and Mori has CM1, so
15th) Mundus has passive bullshit, I would be surpised if Astral Order actually does anything to any of the Eldrazi Titans given they effectively have BDE 1, and the Planeswalker has targeting immunity, and can easily just phase out of history and existence and nuke Gunvolt from there with their utter bullshit list of hax
16th) Touhou characters have Aca 4, NEP 2, Nonduality, AE 1 and a list of hax to use and abuse
17th) AE1 based on a concept, so he isn't doing anything
20th)Has a bunch of auras that will just kill Gunvolt on the spot, can just leave the timeline, and even if he gets ee'd he can come back and I do not remember anything about Law Manip existing in Gunvolt, so he can't prevade that
21st)Zhong Yue looks at him, understands everything about him, resists his shit multiple times over and can't actually be killed by him because he isn't doing shit to a Yuan Shen
22nd)Yhwach has better Astral Order and passively crushes his soul
23rd-25th)That entire list of characters going down has more layers of passive hax than he has actual instances of hax, Aca type 4 that spits in the eye of attempts to **** with their fate, alongside other things things such as Wang Lin having killing intent enough to erase type 1 concepts
 
Deonment said:
Um, Acktually its Prevasion 🤓☝️

Anyways, he isn't really going to get that high tbh, the Grandmist Duology people do just resist that shit and passively destroy his soul let alone the fact they actively have CM 1 stuff to throw at him

Anyways going down the list to find people who I actually think beats him
14th) he can't actually hurt Mori and Mori has CM1, so
15th) Mundus has passive bullshit, I would be surpised if Astral Order actually does anything to any of the Eldrazi Titans given they effectively have BDE 1, and the Planeswalker has targeting immunity, and can easily just phase out of history and existence and nuke Gunvolt from there with their utter bullshit list of hax
16th) Touhou characters have Aca 4, NEP 2, Nonduality, AE 1 and a list of hax to use and abuse
17th) AE1 based on a concept, so he isn't doing anything
20th)Has a bunch of auras that will just kill Gunvolt on the spot, can just leave the timeline, and even if he gets ee'd he can come back and I do not remember anything about Law Manip existing in Gunvolt, so he can't prevade that
21st)Zhong Yue looks at him, understands everything about him, resists his shit multiple times over and can't actually be killed by him because he isn't doing shit to a Yuan Shen
22nd)Yhwach has better Astral Order and passively crushes his soul
23rd-25th)That entire list of characters going down has more layers of passive hax than he has actual instances of hax, Aca type 4 that spits in the eye of attempts to **** with their fate, alongside other things things such as Wang Lin having killing intent enough to erase type 1 concepts
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Prevasion is also passive, and layered according to this on top of other passives and can evade stuff like concept manip. Mori I don't think he has layered Non Physical Interaction but yeah he does have the hax advantage so I can see Mori keeping the spot

What Tohou character has Type 2 NEP? I asked earlier who was the strongest Touhou character and no one answered so I just put the protag, with said what does their Type 4 grant since it doesn't do anything anymore without a revision

Wasn't Yhwach's Almighty downgraded? Also Prevasion evades soul based attacks and even if he was effected, he has High-Godly Regen so Reitsu Crush wouldn't put him down
 
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AlphaOmegaV1 said:
Prevasion is also passive, and layered according to this on top of other passives. Mori I don't think he has layered Non Physical Interaction but yeah he does have the hax advantage so I can see Mori keeping the spot

What Tohou character has Type 2 NEP? I asked earlier who was the strongest Touhou character and no one answered, but that said what does their Type 4 grant since it doesn't do anything anymore without a revision
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Prevasion is passive yes, but the characters I listed either have ways around it by way of either hax that Gunvolt hasn't interacted with, or just nulling it

Mori doesn't actually need NPI when he can hit aspects of Gunvolt's existence he has never interacted with (Type 1 and 2 Concept stuff)

Junko works, having former has BDE 1, NEP 2, Transduality, and all that jazz, with type 1 concept manip to go with
 
Robo432343 said:
when wang wei gets nonduality type 3 he'll just layer stomp cui heng
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Nah, dude still needs to activate it beforehand. Although his reaction speed is infinite in relation to his normal speed, but eh.

Though for later keys, maybe, as part of his soul/power source becomes part with the nothingness.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
After a bit of debating, it was agreed that Wang Wei incons with the 6th place characters for now.
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Bumpty for this.

As for Castlevania, what is the reason that Plot Hax is passive? Just kinda confused on this, as it doesn't really imply that it is passive? Or is it because of the castle (heard it was special or something)?
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Bumpty for this.

As for Castlevania, what is the reason that Plot Hax is passive? Just kinda confused on this, as it doesn't really imply that it is passive? Or is it because of the castle (heard it was special or something)?
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For Dracula and Chaos, that's what matters. The Castle is basically Dracula's magic in physical form, and the magic is all over the castle, constantly releasing that magic throughout the area.

For Chaos, well, it's pure Chaos. The first key is basically the castle, and the second is the general multiversal thing that's everywhere.
 
I assume Magic in-verse applies every single application that it has shown to do at the same time unlike other verses? For example, Qi in cultivation novels could do a variety of things, but even if a character unleashes their Qi at all times, it doesn't apply all those effects. I assume it is not like the example I shown, and actually shows that it applies everything?
 
Alrightly, kinda expected something along the lines of a scan or like "ye". Still no clue why it applies every single thing, but if it is accepted as such, can you show me the thread?
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Alrightly, kinda expected something along the lines of a scan or like "ye". Still no clue why it applies every single thing, but if it is accepted as such, can you show me the thread?
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Even outside of that, Dracula does just canonically have all of the powers of all the creatures in his castle, which do include the characters with passive (and active) plot manip

(Though most of the passives directly applicable to the castle don't really apply under SBA considering like, that shit has to be summoned or you have to be dragged into it, and at the speeds characters are going at the multiple seconds it takes to come out kinda makes that scuffed)
 
Deonment said:
(Though most of the passives directly applicable to the castle don't really apply under SBA considering like, that shit has to be summoned or you have to be dragged into it, and at the speeds characters are going at the multiple seconds it takes to come out kinda makes that scuffed
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The castle is standard equipment for Dracula and is always with him. He resurrects with and inside the castle and all battles are inside the castle. So even if by SBA the opponent is outside the castle he will basically have to go to the castle anyway.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
The castle is standard equipment for Dracula and is always with him. He resurrects with and inside the castle and all battles are inside the castle. So even if by SBA the opponent is outside the castle he will basically have to go to the castle anyway.
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People don't have to go in the castle mind you, its external size isn't large enough to force people into it by SBA given 4km distance (unless we are arguing that it can drag people in from moon distances away, which is provably false given literally every other Castlevania game that isn't Aria)
 
Deonment said:
People don't have to go in the castle mind you, its external size isn't large enough to force people into it by SBA given 4km distance (unless we are arguing that it can drag people in from moon distances away, which is provably false given literally every other Castlevania game that isn't Aria)
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I'm not saying they start inside the castle...

I'm saying they have to go to the castle if they want to face Dracula. Since according to SBA he would start inside it and would only fight inside it.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I'm not saying they start inside the castle...

I'm saying they have to go to the castle if they want to face Dracula. Since according to SBA he would start inside it and would only fight inside it.
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No?
Most of the people here do just have enough range to snipe at Dracula from outside the castle given how many of them have at least multiversal range, and those that don't have decent Low Multiversal range.
Which I actually forget, do we argue the 720 grimoires are part of the castle? Even so I don't think it matters given Dracula typically residing within the main dimension of it, or at worst, the Inverted Castle
 
Someone needs to organize Zhong Yue’s profile because it’s just a wall of text at the moment which makes it a headache to read.
 
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where should he be placed
 
uh
it says High 3-A
oh nvm lol
but there is this

Note: Hachimaru's Low 2-C rating can't be used within versus threads as he lacks a physical form, disallowing him any physical actions outside of his possessed brothers, which are vastly weaker compared to himself. His other stats while in his "Fudo Myo-o Form" key are still usable however.

so idk if its useable
 
Robo432343 said:
uh
it says High 3-A
oh nvm lol
but there is this

Note: Hachimaru's Low 2-C rating can't be used within versus threads as he lacks a physical form, disallowing him any physical actions outside of his possessed brothers, which are vastly weaker compared to himself. His other stats while in his "Fudo Myo-o Form" key are still usable however.

so idk if its useable
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Actually, his Hax still works normally because "Pure Information" is just one aspect that is part of him, and he can still control it freely. He’s no different from being the Samurai 8 Cosmology itself.

I would like to know whether his BDE Type 2 is outdated, or if we should revise it.
 
How far can Dante reach into the list? His Demon Physiology page contains a plethora of hax and resistances which includes AE1, BFR, Power Null, Law Manip, CM2, Soul hax, and type 4 Acausality, and he's already beaten Almighty Yhwach.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Mundus is already on the list representing DMC, but should he be changed? Now that the passives are applied to all demons.
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I don't know how to answer that, maybe change the rating to Characters from Devil May Cry which includes Dante as well as Mundus? But with that out of the way, unless I'm missing something, why is Parca on the list twice in two different placements?
 
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