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A Watcher fights a Slayer | Ishmael (Punishing: Gray Raven) vs Doomguy (DOOM) | 9-1-0 (GRACE ENDED)

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Both are 1-C
Speed is equalized
Battle takes place in The Gate
SBA

Primal Projection Ishmael
Doom Eternal Doomguy and Doomguy can access to all equipments

God : 9 (@Felipe_Walker16, @AlipheeseXIV, @Voidnether, @BEASTHEART8800, @Shiroiyo, @TegamiBachi25, @Shar122, @PedjaTarzan, @Arkansalter2)

God Slayer : 1 (@Telomera)

Goku's victim : 0
 
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Layered Space-Time hax via Essense Hax = GGs. Ishmael doesn't really resist anything.
Counterpoint: What can doomguy do against ND2? Also NEP not to mention even in her Projection key she still does have 7D type 9, there is also the mismatch that is her info type 2. Finally, Ishmael is far smarter than doomguy, smart enough to essentially precog him to hell and back. Is there anything they can do against all of this?
 
Counterpoint: What can doomguy do against ND2? Also NEP not to mention even in her Projection key she still does have 7D type 9, there is also the mismatch that is her info type 2. Finally, Ishmael is far smarter than doomguy, smart enough to essentially precog him to hell and back. Is there anything they can do against all of this?
Wait why does she even have ND2?

There doesn't seem to be anything 7D in her key either. Edit: "Full-sized" 7D isn't even in the verse besides Ishmael's true form having 7D HDE (even then, she doesn't have "fully-sized" 7D AP). Since we're only talking about the projection key and thus lacks that HDE, she can't even have 7D at all

Also, Doomguy's acausality gives him resistance to precog even against nigh omniscient beings. His ability to resist essence manip also gives him resistance to concept manip type 1 and by extension info manip type 2 as well.

Doomguy FRA because I disagree with Ishmael's supposed ND2. Am I even allowed to do that?
 
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Not even gonna lie, if what I see on the profile and this CRT are all there is to this verse's 6D scaling, a downgrade may be in order. I can't see any reason to believe Gate is an entire dimensional tier above the rest of the Tower. But I'll probably wait until I'm done with all the Honkai shit
 
Not even gonna lie, if what I see on the profile and this CRT are all there is to this verse's 6D scaling, a downgrade may be in order. I can't see any reason to believe Gate is an entire dimensional tier above the rest of the Tower. But I'll probably wait until I'm done with all the Honkai shit
There are literal scans that prove Gate is above the rest of the Tower, you likely didn't give it a good enough look. Also, those scans were used specifically from 1 chapter when the concepts of the Tower was first introduced in the story (3 years ago) because this is VSBW I'm not gonna sit here and tell you not to make a downgrade CRT if you really want to but...good luck ig? Arguably one of the most consistent and blatant higher D gacha series out there with little to no anti feats lol, moving back to the Doom fight tho.
Wait why does she even have ND2?
Because she exists independently of all the lower D verse's dual systems within the entire lvl of reality? That is literal textbook ND2
There doesn't seem to be anything 7D in her key either. Edit: "Full-sized" 7D isn't even in the verse besides Ishmael's true form having 7D HDE (even then, she doesn't have "fully-sized" 7D AP). Since we're only talking about the projection key and thus lacks that HDE, she can't even have 7D at all
Well this is fair, she was 7D by virtue of literally being a higher dimensional entity to the Gate itself (at the time, there was nothing on the global version of the game to suggest a full sized 7D) however I can assure you now that she is full sized 7D and will in fact be higher once I get to making a CRT with the new chapters that have dropped in the game, because again. The scans I used for the profiles was from when the concept of her and the Tower were first introduced.

Edit: This is also a mute point because I never mentioned that she had 7D AP, I just said she had 7D Type 9 so ngl don't know exactly where you were going with that
Also, Doomguy's acausality gives him resistance to precog even against nigh omniscient beings.
Not how it works, his resistance to precog comes from the Maykr's having the ability to see the entire multiverse (2A) and assuming these Maykr's are 6D that would still only be 6D, meanwhile Ishmael is 7D so that logic does not apply here.

Another edit: Sorry about that, I should've been clearer. When I said she could precog him to hell and back I meant she'd be capable of doing this via the intelligence gap, even without precog/cosmic awareness Ishmael has supergenius intelligence, so she'd just be literal billions of steps ahead of him before he could even send a signal to his brain.
His ability to resist essence manip also gives him resistance to concept manip type 1 and by extension info manip type 2 as well.
How? Concept manip type 1 and info manip type 2 are not the same thing, they are 2 different abilities. Having resistance to 1 does not mean having resistance to the other, if you could elaborate more on that
Doomguy FRA because I disagree with Ishmael's supposed ND2. Am I even allowed to do that?
I mean...no...I disagree Doom should be anything above tier 6 because it's a guy with an enhanced suit with a gun, doesn't mean I can thus say this is a stomp because I believe that
 
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Doomguy FRA because I disagree with Ishmael's supposed ND2. Am I even allowed to do that?
@Telomera No that's not remotely allowed unless this is a Fun and games thread where you can restrict certain things from the character. If you disagree with them having ND2 then make a CRT to try and remove it, if you don't it's still valid on the page and can be used for versus threads.
 
How many votes are needed for this kinda stuff to be added to profiles again?
Edit: Oh, it's 7 gotcha yeah this should be good then
7 votes or above and the vote gap should be greater than or equal to 3
For example, 7-4 is valid while 7-5 is not
 
because this is VSBW I'm not gonna sit here and tell you not to make a downgrade CRT if you really want to but...good luck ig? Arguably one of the most consistent and blatant higher D gacha series out there with little to no anti feats lol, moving back to the Doom fight tho.
Sure, I'll try making a CRT. But first, I'll message you on your wall. Please respond so that we can get any immediate issues out of the way before I make a thread.
 
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