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- Demigod Kratos and Omniverse Ben are being used. No Alien X.
- Kratos can't use anything above 4-A.
- Equalized speed.
- Starting distance: 30m.
- Win by KO or death
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Ben 10 vs Kratos | Hero of the Universe vs The God of War
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Human hero:
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Hellformer
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List wincons for both, especially kratos in his 4-A key
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GeneralSol16
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Fixed.
Arkansalter2
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Whos the usual people uhh..
Clockwork, WayBig, Big Chill..
Whats Kratos doing against these people?
Clockwork, WayBig, Big Chill..
Whats Kratos doing against these people?
GeneralSol16
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He rips Way Big in half, too weak for Kratos.
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He raw powers through time stop, for big chill...it is hard to say but I don't think his cold can hurt him?
Is way big 4-A?
GeneralSol16
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Clockwork's powers are 1 Layer Low 1-C Smurf, has Kratos resisted something like that?
Ben can freeze at Absolute Zero, and freeze being made of pure radiation.
Yes, but barely above baseline.
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Kratos doesn't fight children.
Mismatch.
Mismatch.
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Shinobu vs akaza ahh match up
GeneralSol16
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Ben's not a child, tho.
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I am gonna be honest, I do see ben 10's wincon.
GeneralSol16
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We see them too, not worries.
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Then explain to me Ben 10's wincons, and how he is dealing with divine magic...
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Does Kratos resist Layered Smurf L1C Time manip? Absolute Zero? 1C, possibly 1B absortion of Mana? Fear, madness, sleep manip? Heat manip?
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Listing wincons of Ben:
- Life force Absorption, Electricity, Energy, Space-Time & Mana [6-D, likely 25-D]
- Dura neg (Via sonic waves, neural shock blasts and energy absorption)
- Layered time manipulation [5-D]
- Sleep manipulation
- Absolute Zero
- Statistics Amplification (Though not of much use in this battle due to large AP gap)
- Mind control
- Spatio-temporal BFR (Low 1-C range)
- Disease, Madness and fear manipulation
- Low godly regeneration Via Omnitrix
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GeneralSol16
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Layered Time Manipulation [Low 1-C]*
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(I am not knowledgeable about GoW, but right off the bat, I can tell you that any mind or soul attacks won't work due to GoW souls being accepted as CM 1 and more.)
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im pretty sure this is not a thing anymore
A Spirited Discussion on God of War's Soul Manipulation
Not particularly proud of this title, but the title I wanted to use was taken up by an unrelated thread I was working on. You hate to see it. This thread got out of hand, didn't it? That can be blamed on one major part of the GoW magic explanation page: Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation...
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Then the profiles are outdated.im pretty sure this is not a thing anymore
A Spirited Discussion on God of War's Soul Manipulation
Not particularly proud of this title, but the title I wanted to use was taken up by an unrelated thread I was working on. You hate to see it. This thread got out of hand, didn't it? That can be blamed on one major part of the GoW magic explanation page: Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation...vsbattles.com
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Kratos can RE through 5D concept based time manipulation, and he already resists it on that level.
His soul, mind, and luck are Conceptual type 1, and so any mind effect needs to be on that level to affect him. His entire energy and life-force is also as well concept based.
He can destroy the soul, Luck and mind with Poseidon's Rage, manipulate time with the beforehand mentioned attributes, he can view a person's past and future for any weaknesses, he has info analysis to tell of weaknesses without that temporal power, can nullify powers with the army of Hades and Zeus's Fury
I believe destroying Ben's luck alone would be all he needs to win, as that would restrict pretty much any good chances of a an Alien that would counter Kratos.
His soul, mind, and luck are Conceptual type 1, and so any mind effect needs to be on that level to affect him. His entire energy and life-force is also as well concept based.
He can destroy the soul, Luck and mind with Poseidon's Rage, manipulate time with the beforehand mentioned attributes, he can view a person's past and future for any weaknesses, he has info analysis to tell of weaknesses without that temporal power, can nullify powers with the army of Hades and Zeus's Fury
I believe destroying Ben's luck alone would be all he needs to win, as that would restrict pretty much any good chances of a an Alien that would counter Kratos.
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no that crt did not need any pages to be unlocked
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looks like one
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Key: Original Series & Omniverse Flashbacks | Alien Force, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse
Name: Benjamin Kirby Tennyson, also known as "Ben 10", "Ben Prime", "Young Master Tennyson", "The Biggest Hero in the World", "The Coming Storm", "Destroyer of the Universe", "Savior of the Universe", "Omnipotent Monster"
Origin: Ben 10
Gender: Male
Age: 10 (in Ben 10), 15 (in Alien Force), 16 (in Ultimate Alien and Omniverse)
Classification: Human/Quarter-Anodite, Can change species with the Omnitrix
Name: Benjamin Kirby Tennyson, also known as "Ben 10", "Ben Prime", "Young Master Tennyson", "The Biggest Hero in the World", "The Coming Storm", "Destroyer of the Universe", "Savior of the Universe", "Omnipotent Monster"
Origin: Ben 10
Gender: Male
Age: 10 (in Ben 10), 15 (in Alien Force), 16 (in Ultimate Alien and Omniverse)
Classification: Human/Quarter-Anodite, Can change species with the Omnitrix
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The thread doesn't change anythingim pretty sure this is not a thing anymore
A Spirited Discussion on God of War's Soul Manipulation
Not particularly proud of this title, but the title I wanted to use was taken up by an unrelated thread I was working on. You hate to see it. This thread got out of hand, didn't it? That can be blamed on one major part of the GoW magic explanation page: Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation...
1. Kratos soul and mind It's still type 1 concepts, thread doesn't change that
2. It just says magic doesn't inheritely harm the soul but kratos has proof he can harm the soul
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Okay, but is is layered? Cuz Ben's not ovly 5D, but layered as well.
Afaik, Mana in B10 is also Conceptual based, something Feedback can absorb, and even then, his Absortion is 6-D, likely 25-D, so he definitely outhaxes him in potency
Are we talking about the same key? I didn't see any of that on his Tier 4 key.
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Mist of Delphi < Ouroborus Stone < Amulet of Ouroborus < Sister's of Fate,
4 layers
Afaik? Are sure or what? Would like some proof.
It's UES, applies to everyone, and all mentioned equipment is Demigod key.
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Yeah, but he can evolve regardless.
Type 3. Not 1. And concept hax doesn't have dimensional potency anymore. (And can feedback absorb concept type 1 even?)
Yes.... Didn't you check his equipment?
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Pretty much.
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I mean, how would he be able to evolve if he's frozen in time, in another dimension, or as a baby / dust?
Uhm, I think Mana is currently Type 2, not 1.
His equipment says it gets him up to L1C, and I restricted that.
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You aren't reading the profile are you?
That's only Gauntlet of Zeus.
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It's Type 3
Pepsimanslover
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Yeah. He already resists it regardless.
Nah it's type 3. Just checked.
Yeah. His optional equipment. Not his entire kit.
GeneralSol16
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It ain't saying nothing about resistance to BFF, or a logical explanation of why would he be able to evolve from something nom physical at all.
Lmao
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Best Friends Forever?
Why you ask? Because he already has in his series?
Why don't you actually go read his profile properly and how the esoteric/magic stuff works in verse?
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He doesn't reist BFR, but like, that isn't Ben's first move. At least from my understanding.
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Ignoring the blatant misinterpretation and lack of reading, can anyone tell me how this is a fair match with Ben being 16 yrs old? Kratos has heavy aversion to harming kids.
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