Gray Raven in the Multiverse of Madness | Lee (Punishing: Gray Raven) vs Thor (Marvel Comics) | 0-1-0

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Lee: Hyperreal travelled through the infinite multiverse. He realized there was a very strange dimension that had never appeared before. Lee entered it. That dimension was Asgard, Lee instantly recognized the mighty God of Thunder... but this God was a little weird.

Lee: Hyperreal vs Thor Odinson​

• Both are Low 1-C
• Speed is equalized
• Battle takes place in Asgard
• Combatants start 50 meters away from each other
• SBA

Lee is in The Gate key
Base Thor

Cease your existence at the end of time! :

Behold the God of Thunder! : 1 (@MadeByZiggy)

Odin steps in and stops the fight :

 

[AThe1412]

GOW is only 5-D.

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Lee is 6-D while GoW is 5-D.
Stomp?

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Lee is 6-D while GoW is 5-D.
Stomp?

Lee is 6-D HDE not AP, his AP is only 5-D

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Damn if this is a stomp, I change this to Lee vs Marvel Thor

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

This is kind of a stomp with the 6D HDE ngl
Edit: Also I see Thor lacks info type 2 resistance which is rough for him

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

This is kind of a stomp with the 6D HDE ngl

This is probably a stomp, i'll close this soon

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

I changed this to Lee vs Marvel Thor

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Edit: Also I see Thor lacks info type 2 resistance which is rough for him

He does resistance to marvel magic grants him resistance to info type 2

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

He does resistance to marvel magic grants him resistance to info type 2

At the time it was a different Thor, the entire matchup has been changed. I’ll have to check later

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Bump

 

[Muteki616]

Does Marvel Thor not one-shot with 1-A magic?

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Does Marvel Thor not one-shot with 1-A magic?

Lee can come back via type 3 acausality and type 8 immortality. I'm not sure if Magic can negate that

 

[Muteki616]

Lee can come back via type 3 acausality and type 8 immortality. I'm not sure if Magic can negate that

Its type 1 cm
he would probably bypass all of this

but uhh i'll wait and see because based off profiles alone there's like a myriad of things Thor can do to lee and not vice versa.

 

[Muteki616]

Alright, here is my verdict.
Despite the HDE that hyperreal Lee has, Thor, on the other hand, has 1-A smurfs. MULTIPLE.

Lee's HDE means nothing imo.
Thor has feats of perceiving and tagging characters with BDE, which, to my knowledge, is > HDE.

Lee doesn't resist next to anything in Thor's arsenal.
His CM type 1 cancels Acaus 2.
His NPI is not only superior to Lee's but would erase him on contact bc of the 1-A smurf and its very own CM 1
Thor's godly physiology saves him from almost anything Lee has to dish out, and the same with the magic resistance.


Voting Thor.

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Its type 1 cm
he would probably bypass all of this

How does that CM1 work, I didn't see any acau3 negation in the Magic page

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Voting Thor.

Btw I still count your vote

 

[Hypertornado099]

Thor's Magic and CM isn't enough to stomp, I explained it here

 

[Muteki616]

How does that CM1 work, I didn't see any acau3 negation in the Magic page

It would affect the concept of Lee on a 1-A level.
Conceptually attacking an opponent negates Acaus 3.

Thor's Magic and CM isn't enough to stomp, I explained it here

It is lol.
make a crt if you don’t like the 1-A potency of base magic and passive CM1 that comes with it.

 

[Hypertornado099]

It is lol.
make a crt if you don’t like the 1-A potency of base magic and passive CM1 that comes with it.

I didn't disagree with the potency and conceptual manipulation, I explained that even with those abilities, its not enough to make it a stomp

 

[Muteki616]

its not enough to make it a stomp

Your explanation is faulty ,then.
because if the potency is 1-A and this character has nothing on that level they have nothing to defend themselves from a raw magical attack that is 1-A.

 

[Hypertornado099]

because if the potency is 1-A and this character has nothing on that level they have nothing to defend themselves from a raw magical attack that is 1-A.

It can be 1-A in terms of hax but still able to be withstood by people without a resistance to it

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

It would affect the concept of Lee on a 1-A level.
Conceptually attacking an opponent negates Acaus 3.

I don't understand why and how CM1 without any further context can negate Acau3.

It is true that Lee will instantly die taking hit from Thor's Magic but he cannot permanently kill Lee. For further context, Lee's Acau3 associates with his CM1, whenever Lee dies, CM1 is automatically triggered to eliminate that defeated Lee and resurrect him.

Thor will need an AOE attack or skill that can targets above 2-A range to destroy all Lee(s) and Lee's conceptual realm to actually negate Acau3 and kill him.

 

[Muteki616]

I don't understand why and how CM1 without any further context can negate Acau3.

if you're attacking the type 1 concept of a thing or person it should affect every piece and margin of said thing/person.

It is true that Lee will instantly die taking hit from Thor's Magic

by sba wouldn't thor still win?
even if we entertain the idea that he can't kill him he will still be able to incap him.

Thor will need an AOE attack or skill that can targets above 2-A range

he has low complex range to outer range with base abilities and the godblast.

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

if you're attacking the type 1 concept of a thing or person it should affect every piece and margin of said thing/person.

It doesn't, lol, CM usage bounds to its feat and case-by-case

by sba wouldn't thor still win?
even if we entertain the idea that he can't kill him he will still be able to incap him.

Not win but in conclusive

he has low complex range to outer range with base abilities and the godblast.

I pretty sure his normal abilities like throwing Mjolnir, summoning lightnings or shockwaves do not have tier 1 range, but universal at max. His haxes is the one which actually have low complex to outer range which I don't think he even uses in-character. In fact, Lee has survived numerous L-1C range attacks before but he didn't get killed and always came back.

 

[Muteki616]

I pretty sure his normal abilities like throwing Mjolnir, summoning lightnings or shockwaves do not have tier 1 range

No lol,
Thor has

• thrown Mjolnir from Midgard to Earth and vice versa. (Journey into Mystery #85)
• created a storm with winds capable of reaching Asgard
• Low complex to Outer BFR with portals
• The LOWEST range on his profile is low complex.

Not win but in conclusive

Thor can BFR him to a greater distance than Lee could ever dream of escaping or incap him.

It doesn't, lol, CM usage bounds to its feat and case-by-case

The ability to destroy or remove a concept. By using the ability concepts are removed from reality. This can be wide-spread or very targeted, either erasing the concept of an overarching fundamental principle, such as space, or an individual. When destroyed at this level, nothing can be restored without using a similarly powerful conceptual creation. Conventional regeneration or resurrection, no matter how powerful, would prove impossible as the very abstract concept of the character would not exist.

In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.

Thor having CM1 which can affect people,things or objects would affect every aspect of Lee, thus bypassing his acaus 3.
Thor using the godblast would nuke Lee and his cosmology.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Thor using the godblast would nuke Lee and his cosmology.

I can assure you Thor ain't gonna do that or BFR him

 

[Muteki616]

I can assure you Thor ain't gonna do that or BFR him

SBA means both characters will do anything in their kit to win.
OP didn't specify they were strictly in character.
even still...
Thor has used Godblast and BFR in character on formidable foes before.
I can assure you he will.