Kawaki vs The Prince Of The Lake (Lancelot)

[Majinere566]

A rift merges their worlds, and both mistake each other for the cause. Kawaki sees Lancelot’s magic as a threat linked to a new Ōtsutsuki. Lancelot senses the dark energy of Kawaki’s Karma seal and believes he’s endangering Britannia. With no time to talk, they clash to protect their respective worlds.



Kawaki scales to 118.88 Zettatons.
Lancelot scales to 300 Zettatons ( Lance with the 2.5x advantage)

Equalized speed

Location: Lake Salisbury

Kawaki:

Lancelot:

 

[karo_senpaii]

Lancelot answer to bfr to a timeless dimension, from a guy who you need layered ESP to sense him or his chakra?

 

[Majinere566]

Is that on his profile?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Is that on his profile?

Yes

 

[Makai641001]

Lancelot answer to bfr to a timeless dimension, from a guy who you need layered ESP to sense him or his chakra?

Mind reading that detects will, toughts etc...

He can also Absorb and « erase » energy with his magic and can switch stances to amp himself.

Can you show Kawaki using these in his fighting style too please ?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

A rift merges their worlds, and both mistake each other for the cause. Kawaki sees Lancelot’s magic as a threat linked to a new Ōtsutsuki. Lancelot senses the dark energy of Kawaki’s Karma seal and believes he’s endangering Britannia. With no time to talk, they clash to protect their respective worlds.



Kawaki scales to 118.88 Zettatons.
Lancelot scales to 300 Zettatons ( Lance with the 2.5x advantage)

Location: Lake Salisbury

Kawaki:

Lancelot:

Equal speed?

 

[Makai641001]

Equal speed?

I think yeah

 

[karo_senpaii]

Mind reading that detects will, toughts etc...

He can also Absorb and « erase » energy with his magic and can switch stances to amp himself.

Can you show Kawaki using these in his fighting style too please ?

mid reading and all will let him know yeah this guy wants to send me away but it still doesn't help in anyway. Like the portal spawns on Lancelot so there's no dodging it. And absorbing and erasing? It's a portal to another dimension, unless you're going to show me Lancelot absorbing or erasing space time abilities then he can't.

For the scan give me a moment

 

[karo_senpaii]

Mind reading that detects will, toughts etc...

He can also Absorb and « erase » energy with his magic and can switch stances to amp himself.

Can you show Kawaki using these in his fighting style too please ?

As you can see it just spawns wrapped around you. Naruto had no answer and boruto had to use karma to counter it. Karma has resistance to space time abilities

 

[karo_senpaii]

I think kawaki just takes this 7-8 times out of 10.
For one Lancelot would have impossible task pinning down on his location. He can both make himself tiny, go to daikokuten dimension if in a pinch and is resistant to any form of sensing at all.

They have similar speed though kawaki still has shunsin which is a blitz worthy amp , I didn't really see any speed amps on Lancelot profile. Both of them can absorb each others attacks and kawaki can even shrink other things including weapons. So like Lancelot has only his fists going for him.
If I remember snatch can still power(not sure Lancelot has used snatch that way) so kawaki has to be weary of that but at the end of the day he steals physical power and kawaki would just re-enforce himself with chakra so he should be good.

However kawaki wincons are far more straightforward. For one bfr to a timeless dimension. Secondly just his rods. He can shrink them microscopically and stab Lancelot and then instantly increase the size to be a mortal wound. I have no idea how Lancelot would be able to counter that also.

Also kawaki is quite smart, his eye immediately lets him know Lancelot is stronger so he's definitely not going to engage him directly.

So overall I think kawaki takes this.

I didn't see magic erasure on Lancelot profile so I don't know about that

 

[Makai641001]

As you can see it just spawns wrapped around you. Naruto had no answer and boruto had to use karma to counter it. Karma has resistance to space time abilities

Naruto was caught offguard and in base, Boruto reacted while caught offguard.

Also it’s Basically a trap not him using it Mid fight

mid reading and all will let him know yeah this guy wants to send me away but it still doesn't help in anyway.

It will give him prior knowledge about where when and every bit of information he needs to know about it.

Like the portal spawns on Lancelot so there's no dodging it.

It is possible to dodge it, and Lance has class P so it’s I like my that it will be able to restrain him

And absorbing and erasing? It's a portal to another dimension, unless you're going to show me Lancelot absorbing or erasing space time abilities then he can't.

It’s Made by chakra he’s absorbing it

 

[karo_senpaii]

Naruto was caught offguard and in base, Boruto reacted while caught offguard.

Also it’s Basically a trap not him using it Mid fight


It will give him prior knowledge about where when and every bit of information he needs to know about it.

It is possible to dodge it, and Lance has class P so it’s I like my that it will be able to restrain him

It’s Made by chakra he’s absorbing it

1. I know, you asked for instances of using it. I didn't say Naruto was on guard.
2. Yeah that's a feat for boruto, I don't get your point.
3. He wanted to kill boruto but he decided it was easier sealing him so he went for that before fighting him so yeah it's a go to move. Mind you he knows he can beat boruto so this is something he will 100% use for someone he knows is stronger than him.
4. Explain how knowing someone you can't see or sense wants to spawn something on you helps you dodge it, there is no complex information. Kawaki thinks I want to seal this guy and then activates his ability. Lancelot hears I want to seal this guy and then how does he evade?

5. You can't dodge it. No one dodged it. Boruto just used karma to cancel it. Like where did you see boruto dodge? Also LS doesn't matter, it's not a restraint, it's a portal to another dimension.
6. It's not made by chakra. It's just a portal. Chakra is the cause, the portal is the effect. Read the profile, karma just opens a rift in space time, there is no chakra on the rift itself. Kamui is another example too as TSO which erase and null all chakra can't do nothing about it coz it's just a tear in space and not chakra

 

[Makai641001]

I think kawaki just takes this 7-8 times out of 10.
For one Lancelot would have impossible task pinning down on his location. He can both make himself tiny, go to daikokuten dimension if in a pinch and is resistant to any form of sensing at all.

They have similar speed though kawaki still has shunsin which is a blitz worthy amp , I didn't really see any speed amps on Lancelot profile. Both of them can absorb each others attacks and kawaki can even shrink other things including weapons. So like Lancelot has only his fists going for him.
If I remember snatch can still power(not sure Lancelot has used snatch that way) so kawaki has to be weary of that but at the end of the day he steals physical power and kawaki would just re-enforce himself with chakra so he should be good.

However kawaki wincons are far more straightforward. For one bfr to a timeless dimension. Secondly just his rods. He can shrink them microscopically and stab Lancelot and then instantly increase the size to be a mortal wound. I have no idea how Lancelot would be able to counter that also.

Also kawaki is quite smart, his eye immediately lets him know Lancelot is stronger so he's definitely not going to engage him directly.

So overall I think kawaki takes this.

I didn't see magic erasure on Lancelot profile so I don't know about that

Mind reading would give Lancelot Kawaki’s position, intent, knowledge about his techniques, where he would attack etc…

He is a litteral master at timings, strategy etc…

Regarding amps, snatch is basically able to blitz people like Arthur from hundreds of meters.
Can be used to steal internals, limbs weapons etc…

Dubs Katana allows him to spam shining road that would one shot kawaki and be able to locate him through mind reading

It’s pretty common in NNT for characters with or without sacred artefacts to cut through space time rifts especially with Dubs weapons (Zeldris, Nanashi, Arthur, Beltreipe…) Lance has got Dubs Katana since the Timeskip.

Lancelot is probably way smarter than Kawaki and has prior knowledge on basically everything

And with a single touch Lancelot could copy anyone stronger than Kawaki in verse

 

[karo_senpaii]

Mind reading would give Lancelot Kawaki’s position, intent, knowledge about his techniques, where he would attack etc…

He is a litteral master at timings, strategy etc…

Regarding amps, snatch is basically able to blitz people like Arthur from hundreds of meters.
Can be used to steal internals, limbs weapons etc…

Dubs Katana allows him to spam shining road that would one shot kawaki and be able to locate him through mind reading

It’s pretty common in NNT for characters with or without sacred artefacts to cut through space time rifts especially with Dubs weapons (Zeldris, Nanashi, Arthur, Beltreipe…) Lance has got Dubs Katana since the Timeskip.

Lancelot is probably way smarter than Kawaki and has prior knowledge on basically everything

No. People don't think "I'm going to attack to the west 3km form here" or stuff like that.
Kawaki thought would be "I'm going to seal him in daikokuten ". Now with that Information explain how it helps Lancelot?

He can't sense it seems kawaki. He'd basically just be hearing a voice in his head talking with no clue of where it's coming from? Idk how more to explain this more. Say you as a person can hear the thoughts of spirits but you can't see or sense spirits. You'd just be left with a voice in your head saying things but you don't know where it's coming from.

2. He's smart I know that's cool. He got the basic shinobi stuff.
3. I've never seen someone snatch a limb but alright. He still has to locate kawaki. Also snatch is not an amp it's just stealing stuff. It's not blitzing them, it's just there is nothing to react to coz he's just taking whatever he wants remotely. iDK how he'd locate kawaki still though.

For the last point I need a scan of someone destroying a space time portal in NNT. I don't mean opening but destroying coz if they could I should be seeing space time manipulation on profiles

 

[Demon_Lord18]

For the last point I need a scan of someone destroying a space time portal in NNT. I don't mean opening but destroying coz if they could I should be seeing space time manipulation on profiles

here, here, here and here

 

[Makai641001]

No. People don't think "I'm going to attack to the west 3km form here" or stuff like that.
Kawaki thought would be "I'm going to seal him in daikokuten ". Now with that Information explain how it helps Lancelot?

They do, he is able to predict will and intents as shown in basically any of his fights lol

He can't sense it seems kawaki. He'd basically just be hearing a voice in his head talking with no clue of where it's coming from?
Idk how more to explain this more. Say you as a person can hear the thoughts of spirits but you can't see or sense spirits. You'd just be left with a voice in your head saying things but you don't know where it's coming from.

As long as Kawaki knows where he spatially is he would be able to read it

2. He's smart I know that's cool. He got the basic shinobi stuff.

Kawaki doesn’t even have basic chakra control

3. I've never seen someone snatch a limb but alright.

Ban snatched Meliodas harm Lance snatched teeth (not really a limb more of an internal)

He still has to locate kawaki. Also snatch is not an amp it's just stealing stuff. It's not blitzing them, it's just there is nothing to react to coz he's just taking whatever he wants remotely. iDK how he'd locate kawaki still though.

Through his will, mind, memories

For the last point I need a scan of someone destroying a space time portal in NNT. I don't mean opening but destroying coz if they could I should be seeing space time manipulation on profiles

Someone sent it already (the profiles are shit…)

 

[Ebihara]

here

i did a double take when they spoke, i didnt read the title.

 

[Makai641001]

here, here, here and here

Wtf is this dub

 

[karo_senpaii]

They do, he is able to predict will and intents as shown in basically any of his fights lol

As long as Kawaki knows where he spatially is he would be able to read it


Kawaki doesn’t even have basic chakra control


Ban snatched Meliodas harm Lance snatched teeth (not really a limb more of an internal)


Through his will, mind, memories

Someone sent it already (the profiles are shit…)

1. I'm not saying he can't. I'm asking for an explanation.
For example if someone is invincible and I can't see the person but I can hear them talk I can pinpoint their location from where the sound waves are coming from. Explain how hearing kawaki thoughts would help him know where kawaki is.
2. There is no way kawaki will ever be thinking "I'm 30 degrees to the right just a few meters from this guy"
3. If it remember he couldn't snatch his arm, he tried but it dislocated. That's not a problem. Not like he can ever locate kawaki.
4. ??? Otsusuki have the highest form of chakra control. Also he was trained by jigen, Naruto and the ninja academy itself.

here, here, here and here

A lot of problems. Zeldris tore the space meliodas was in. That's not destroying a space time portal. What author tore was caths mouth and not a space time portal and even if he did there is no way in hell we are giving chaos ability to Lancelot.

Other 2, scans don't work. Why are we even using other people's feats for Lancelot.
If I recall zeldris exact words were weapons are only as good as the wielder so we need feats of lance destroying space time portals..

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Coz before lance can pull out a sword he is gone

 

[Makai641001]

1. I'm not saying he can't. I'm asking for an explanation.
For example if someone is invincible and I can't see the person but I can hear them talk I can pinpoint their location from where the sound waves are coming from. Explain how hearing kawaki thoughts would help him know where kawaki is.

The same way it helped him sense, detect, and attack foes he couldn’t even see from Albion’s belly.

2. There is no way kawaki will ever be thinking "I'm 30 degrees to the right just a few meters from this guy"

He would Lancelot has access to everything and has shown to detect precisely the position of people doing so

3. If it remember he couldn't snatch his arm, he tried but it dislocated.

No

That's not a problem. Not like he can ever locate kawaki.

He can

4. ??? Otsusuki have the highest form of chakra control. Also he was trained by jigen, Naruto and the ninja academy itself.

Kawaki has average chakra control that's isn't on par with Shinobis.

While Lancelot has complete mastery and pin point accuracy whether it is with his mind reading, bow or sword skills.

A lot of problems. Zeldris tore the space meliodas was in.

Still space manip

That's not destroying a space time portal. What author tore was caths mouth and not a space time portal

It wasn’t Cath’s mouth lol it was a portal to a dimension it created

and even if he did there is no way in hell we are giving chaos ability to Lancelot.

That’s not a Chaos ability

Other 2, scans don't work.

The six knights fusion magic was gonna destroy a space time rift as well as Nanashi

(Lancelot is far above both of them)

Why are we even using other people's feats for Lancelot.

He uses the same weapon as Nanashi with higher strength, mastery etc… magic also can interact and destroy space time rifts

If I recall zeldris exact words were weapons are only as good as the wielder so we need feats of lance destroying space time portals..

Lance is probably the best weapon wielder in verse and as long as magic can do so he can

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Coz before lance can pull out a sword he is gone

Boruto had time to act without prior knowledge + by surprise.

Lancelot would be able to destroy the rift even before it spawns if he needed to.

 

[Makai641001]

People weaker than Lance were shown cutting through space rifts through physicals.

Magic can interact and destroy space time rifts too.

Good luck trying to BFR someone that knows where, why, when the portal will spawn and can destroy it either physically or with his absorption forcefield.

 

[Majinere566]

And with a single touch Lancelot could copy anyone stronger than Kawaki in verse

He doesn’t need to touch em iirc. He just reads the mind and can copy past foes power and skill etc. Only thing he can’t copy is the magic

 

[Makai641001]

He doesn’t need to touch em iirc. He just reads the mind and can copy past foes power and skill etc. Only thing he can’t copy is the magic

Oh then he could even copy Boruto’s powers to close the rift.

 

[Majinere566]

Oh then he could even copy Boruto’s powers to close the rift.

Well when I mean power, I mean like strength my bad

 

[karo_senpaii]

The same way it helped him sense, detect, and attack foes he couldn’t even see from Albion’s belly.

He would Lancelot has access to everything and has shown to detect precisely the position of people doing so


No


He can



While Lancelot has complete mastery and pin point accuracy whether it is with his mind reading, bow or sword skills.


Still space manip


It wasn’t Cath’s mouth lol it was a portal to a dimension it created


That’s not a Chaos ability


The six knights fusion magic was gonna destroy a space time rift as well as Nanashi

(Lancelot is far above both of them)


He uses the same weapon as Nanashi with higher strength, mastery etc… magic also can interact and destroy space time rifts


Lance is probably the best weapon wielder in verse and as long as magic can do so he can


Boruto had time to act without prior knowledge + by surprise.

Lancelot would be able to destroy the rift even before it spawns if he needed to.

1. Glad you used this as example as he can sense the attack here. The problem is he can't sense kawaki nor any of his attacks as they also carry his chakra(the ones that do).
2. Prove to me kawaki would think of that. In fact give one example in the entire Naruto series that someone thought of the angle and distance they want to attack before attacking.
3. Great, still can't see or sense kawaki to use snatch.
4. You're yet to prove that.
5. Space≠ space-time
6. It was definitely cath mouth as cath swallowed them. It just so happened cath mouth led to his dimension.
7. He used Excalibur.
8. Strength is irrelevant. Space time manipulation is an ability. Someone being stronger does no give the space time npi or space time manipulation.
9. He can have higher strength and skill to a million times it doesn't give him an ability.
10. Boruto was much faster than kawaki.
11. Destroying it before it spawns. Right we're just giving ourselves abilities at this point.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Hate to be that guy but it seems it's needed at this point. Either tag npi or space time manipulation on Lancelot page or shut up about it and use abilities on profiles.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Now lance is gonna copy karma? This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Majinere566]

He can’t copy abilities, it was a misunderstanding. However he can copy people’s skills and strength

 

[karo_senpaii]

People weaker than Lance were shown cutting through space rifts through physicals.

Magic can interact and destroy space time rifts too.

Good luck trying to BFR someone that knows where, why, when the portal will spawn and can destroy it either physically or with his absorption forcefield.

What baffles me is sometimes you don't hear how ridiculous your own arguments are.

Imagine I say "chakra can be used to heal and regenerate injuries on the level of bisecting the person in half so kawaki has mid regen". You would find that absolutely ridiculous coz just coz someone's chakra gives them a special ability does not mean everyone has it. If the person has not shown it then it doesn't have it.

Also Lancelot knowing the portal will spawn on him doesn't help him dodge. No matter where he moves to the portal will spawn on "him". Like this stuff isn't hard to understand

 

[karo_senpaii]

He can’t copy abilities, it was a misunderstanding. However he can copy people’s skills and strength

Irrelevant. He is more skilled than kawaki and stronger. This should not even be mentioned in this match

 

[Makai641001]

1. Glad you used this as example as he can sense the attack here. The problem is he can't sense kawaki nor any of his attacks as they also carry his chakra(the ones that do).

Actually, no he couldn’t as they were hiding their presence and impossible to detect.

2. Prove to me kawaki would think of that. In fact give one example in the entire Naruto series that someone thought of the angle and distance they want to attack before attacking.

Why would I need to prove that, we showed that his power works like that the burden is on you to demonstrate that Kawaki resists mind reading.

As long as he doesn’t he is an open book for Lance

3. Great, still can't see or sense kawaki to use snatch.

He can

4. You're yet to prove that.

We did

5. Space≠ space-time

Multiple exemples were shown with spacetime rifts

6. It was definitely cath mouth as cath swallowed them. It just so happened cath mouth led to his dimension.

It wasn’t we can litteraly see the space rift getting destroyed.

7. He used Excalibur.

Yeah

8. Strength is irrelevant. Space time manipulation is an ability. Someone being stronger does no give the space time npi or space time manipulation.

In NNT characters can cut through space via their physicals

9. He can have higher strength and skill to a million times it doesn't give him an ability.

Magic can interact with and destroy space time rifts too

10. Boruto was much faster than kawaki.

They are shown to be relative and fought each others

11. Destroying it before it spawns. Right we're just giving ourselves abilities at this point.

Bro knows how it works, where it spawns and that he needs to protect himself/destroy it.

 

[karo_senpaii]

• Fear Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2), Status Effect Inducement, and Aura (Overwhelming & Fear-inducing - Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This aura, when emitted by someone of around Kage level strength or above, was shown to have a physical effect

Does Lancelot even resist this?

 

[Makai641001]

• Fear Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2), Status Effect Inducement, and Aura (Overwhelming & Fear-inducing - Shinobi with vast and/or powerful chakra have consistently shown the ability to produce an aura. This aura, when emitted by someone of around Kage level strength or above, was shown to have a physical effect

Does Lancelot even resist this?

He resisted Arthur’s « king’s authority »

 

[karo_senpaii]

Actually, no he couldn’t as they were hiding their presence and impossible to detect.


Why would I need to prove that, we showed that his power works like that the burden is on you to demonstrate that Kawaki resists mind reading.

As long as he doesn’t he is an open book for Lance


He can

We did

Multiple exemples were shown with spacetime rifts

It wasn’t we can litteraly see the space rift getting destroyed.

Yeah

In NNT characters can cut through space via their physicals

Magic can interact with and destroy space time rifts too


They are shown to be relative and fought each others

Bro knows how it works, where it spawns and that he needs to protect himself/destroy it.

1. "I thought we completely hid our presence" is right in the scan.
2. You never proved how exactly lance will know where kawaki is. He will know he is somewhere sure as he is hearing his mind but how will he know where he is?
3. To sum up in one link space time npi or manipulation on his profile or don't mention it at all.
4. Knowing it will spawn around him doesn't help him dodge. It just means he knows. And he can't destroy it, he doesn't have space time npi.

 

[karo_senpaii]

He resisted Arthur’s « king’s authority

And yet not a single mention of it on his profile? NGL I'm getting tired of this repeated process.
Anyway for benefit of doubt I went to Arthur's profile and he doesn't have fear or madness manipulation type 2 so???

 

[Majinere566]

Why won’t he just jump out of the range? Fly away etc or turn intangible?

 

[Makai641001]

1. "I thought we completely hid our presence" is right in the scan.

They hid their presence and he still could find them precisely and attack them with full accuracy by reading their minds.

2. You never proved how exactly lance will know where kawaki is. He will know he is somewhere sure as he is hearing his mind but how will he know where he is?

The same way he knew about where mortlach and co were

3. To sum up in one link space time npi or manipulation on his profile or don't mention it at all.

We’ve sent multiple scans showing that magic grants NPI
Magic attacks were shown being able to destroy space time rifts

4. Knowing it will spawn around him doesn't help him dodge. It just means he knows. And he can't destroy it, he doesn't have space time npi.

Stop spamming the same shit over again and just read the scans

 

[karo_senpaii]

I didn't ask for scan . I asked for it on his profile. If it's not accepted don't talk about it. Like at this point I don't want any mention of any ability not on his profile. I'm going to throw a bone. Even if not on his profile at least show me a CRT where space time manipulation or npi was accepted for Lancelot or where it was accepted as strength based.

 

[Makai641001]

I didn't ask for scan . I asked for it on his profile. If it's not accepted don't talk about it. Like at this point I don't want any mention of any ability not on his profile. I'm going to throw a bone. Even if not on his profile at least show me a CRT where space time manipulation or npi was accepted for Lancelot or where it was accepted as strength based.

Kawaki has no listed resistance to mind reading and BFR isn’t listed as a first move in his profile therefore Shining road would one shot him.

Have the space time rifts ever caught intangible people ?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Kawaki has no listed resistance to mind reading and BFR isn’t listed as a first move in his profile therefore Shining road would one shot him.

Have the space time rifts ever caught intangible people ?

You've yet to tie mind reading to pinpointing someone's location. Also kawaki just shrinks shining road, not that it can even hit him.

It's space time. It's npi on it's own. Idk why you're bringing up intangible people