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The X-Verse (Official Sonic.exe) CRT

Vyfourthaccount said:
Alright good
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As far as I can tell, more detailed verses are allowed to stay so long as there is enough information on them and they stay delegated to OC/FC content. Staff seem to just have a pet peeve with more nonsensical or borderline-official verses like SMG4 or Skibidi Toilet/AvA. This also includes many EXE characters since a lot of them technically don't have proper scaling or a story to latch on to.

Most of the official or older Sonic.exe content (e.g. JC's Creepypastas, MY5TCrimson, NU/SOH and PC Port) probably wouldn't fall under that category but might have some scrutiny by staff since they have the EXE label.
 
OculoOmnibus said:

Page Name for Sonic.exe/Lord X​

Rather than being called Sonic.exe (Canon), the page is renamed to Sonic.exe (Lord X) to follow the more general naming schemes of characters that often use a popular alias used alongside their "full" name. As far as I can tell, "Sonic.exe" and "Lord X" are both the most popular names the character goes by for recognition purposes. When seeing other verses on the site, there are numerous examples of this format being applied to different characters.

Additionally, an alternative option in the form of Sonic.exe (X-Verse) could be considered if none of the other official EXEs go by this name. Keep in mind none of these apply to Lord Mortis as this is canonically his actual name.
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Updated this information after asking about it (it likely won't get any agreed votes but still updated it regardless).
 
Big update for some SonicPC lore:
Anyway with all these changes I updated the sandbox.
 
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OculoOmnibus said:

Verse Changes​

Confirmed in Joe's tweet, we can now comfortably change certain things about how the verse is structured:
  • Sonic.exe (Verse) becomes renamed to X-Verse. As far as I can tell, there isn't another verse by this name so we don't need to clarify that it is Sonic.exe related.
  • Soulless Sonic, Sonic II Gaiden, Archive Y2K0724 (Xenophanes Canon), Broken_Face (2017 canon) and Sonic Prototype 2017 all become merged into this page, as they are all official material.
  • Because Soulless Sonic is now the de-facto official continuation of the SONIC 2011/Sonic.exe continuity, information relating to both can be used for each other now, including a merge of the Lord X profile and Sonic.exe profile.
  • Sonic II Gaiden and Sonic Prototype 2017 can upscale/downscale from the Sonic.exe branch, as they are alternate continuations.
  • There is now concrete proof that JC-the-Hyena's works are no longer canon to the new series.

Profile Changes and Additions​

All of them​

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Agreed
OculoOmnibus said:
Merged Keys for Sonic.exe and Lord X
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Agreed, Lord X is pretty much just Sonic.exe but more experienced.
OculoOmnibus said:

Downgrade from Low 2-C​

In the current profile for Lord X (the one that will be carried over and merged), he is noted to have created a universe, but the problem with the statement used is that when applying further context to what the tweet was replying to, we realize that Joe is specifically talking about the continuity and not X's actual dimension. Most times Joe refers to the term "universe" in his tweets is just talking about the continuity/verse of a series, and X's dimension is just referred to as a "dimension", "sub-universe", "domain", and "world". There is no record of Joe at all describing X's dimension as a "universe", "parallel dimension", "parallel world" or anything that would meet the requirements of it being classified as a universe and just seems more like a pocket reality.

In the other CRT, Shape proposed an argument that the Cult of X Wiki page is proof that X's dimension is a universe (the section below is what he was likely referring to)
When talking about how he crosses over to Earth, both "its world" and "our world" are used in the context, which could be referring to universes due to the fact that it specifically talks about X's interdimensional travel. I myself don't really like this argument because not only could it just be referring to Earth, but I feel there is both a lack of evidence (Joe is often inconsistent with a lot of lore and can sometimes retcon things) and that there is a section on the Universal requirements page that I believe just prevents it altogether, but I will let people decide with a vote and we'll go with that.
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Disagree, world and domain can be similar terms to "universe". Dimension and universe are usually interchangeable loose terms in sci-fi. Speaking of that genre, the word subuniverse in the context of sci-fi means "a universe contained within another universe", which could actually be referring to X's world contained in the VOID. Another thing I'd like to add on is that Joe has directly referred to X's world as a universe rather than speaking of the continuity/verse/series, or so it seems.
OculoOmnibus said:

VOID Energy - Non-Physical Energy System​

I think this is a no-brainer but based on this statement about Lord X and his ability section on the Cult of X wiki, VOID Energy should be considered a Non-Physical Energy System and all statements regarding "limitless abilities" would fall strictly under Reality Warping. This is because the statements specify that they are in relation to his abilities and not his physical AP. The only real reason I see this being applied him overall is because of the next line right after Joe's tweet, but I don't see how this doesn't apply to anything other than his powers. This would downgrade Sonic.exe/Lord X to Town level physically. Depending on the other changes, the tiering for the Reality Warping either stays as Low 2-C or changes to High 3-A.

I think the explanation I gave was too vague and weak, so I'll rewrite it with better evidence to support it.
  1. JoeDoughBoi states in a tweet that Lord X has "limitless abilities" and that he holds back from using most of them because it makes his games unfair. It also ends off with the statement that there is no power level for him because it is "not relevant or something that can be measured/compared". However, in the reply section, Joe clarifies on more information with that he can lose and that there are still limitations he has that prevent him from simply taking over the world, implying that he isn't truly omnipotent.
  2. Every time Joe mentions X having no comparable power level in tweets, he is often referring to how people rank him as "the strongest" X and that the series does not have a strongest like in traditional powerscaling. With this in mind, I do not think the intention of the first statement was that he has immeasurable stats considering that he also has multiple different forms, with some being stated as stronger. His main vessel form can also be destroyed by an M1 Abrams tank, implying that the powers he possesses are not tied to his physical stats.
  3. The only scaling we can go off of for X physically is that he is more powerful than the Guardians, and that he has multiple stronger forms at his disposal.
TL;DR: The limitless statement is valid with supporting how VOID Energy is a NPES, as X has a virtually infinite number of abilities as a reality warping void entity, but it does not translate to him having infinite physical stats because all statements relating to his "limitless" power explicitly specify it to be in relation to his abilities.
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Disagree for Shape's reasons.
OculoOmnibus said:

Page Name for Sonic.exe/Lord X​

Rather than being called Sonic.exe (Canon), the page is renamed to Sonic.exe (Lord X) to follow the more general naming schemes of characters that often use a popular alias used alongside their "full" name. As far as I can tell, "Sonic.exe" and "Lord X" are both the most popular names the character goes by for recognition purposes. When seeing other verses on the site, there are numerous examples of this format being applied to different characters.

Additionally, an alternative option in the form of Sonic.exe (X-Verse) could be considered if none of the other official EXEs go by this name. Keep in mind none of these apply to Lord Mortis as this is canonically his actual name.
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Neutral on this one, Sonic.exe (X-Verse) sounds more appropriate as it gives us more context for the canon it originates from.
OculoOmnibus said:

Miscellaneous Changes​

All other changes relating to the CRT.
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Agreed, mainly Verse changes and General Profile changes.
 
Agreed with everything except for the keys, i know i might be out of the loop but aren't 2011!X and Lord X completely different in their powers?
 
ClashIReckon said:
Neutral on this one, Sonic.exe (X-Verse) sounds more appropriate as it gives us more context for the canon it originates from.
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I can see the reasoning behind it as it's an easy way to clarify between the hundreds of different X variants that exist, but I mostly prefer the former since that's primarily what Joe and most of the fanbase call him with the fact that there also aren't really any notable .EXE characters known as "Lord X" besides JC's remake, which already has a unique name of his own (X Prime).

It was also an idea I had when thinking about an EXE rework (with EXE (Faker) being the title).
ClashIReckon said:
Disagree, world and domain can be similar terms to "universe". Dimension and universe are usually interchangeable loose terms in sci-fi. Speaking of that genre, the word subuniverse in the context of sci-fi means "a universe contained within another universe", which could actually be referring to X's world contained in the VOID. Another thing I'd like to add on is that Joe has directly referred to X's world as a universe rather than speaking of the continuity/verse/series, or so it seems.
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Actually now that I think about it, would having 4D HDE automatically make a character Tier 2 or are there other requirements for it? I might need to search the forums for or try to remember things for this answer but it's entirely possible the whole Low 2-C downgrade might be moot if the site's rules center around this.
 
OculoOmnibus said:
I can see the reasoning behind it as it's an easy way to clarify between the hundreds of different X variants that exist, but I mostly prefer the former since that's primarily what Joe and most of the fanbase call him with the fact that there also aren't really any notable .EXE characters known as "Lord X" besides JC's remake, which already has a unique name of his own (X Prime).

It was also an idea I had when thinking about an EXE rework (with EXE (Faker) being the title).
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Hmm, well, I suppose I can see where you're coming from. However, I'd say that either name works- and yet I think I'd go with Sonic.exe (X-Verse) more considering "Lord X" is merely another alias X goes by despite it being one of his most popular aliases. It's like how X is short for exe, which in itself is short for Sonic.exe. Meanwhile, the fanbase also knows him (or rather his past self) as 2011x, so I'd figure it would be easier for it to be simply Sonic.exe (X-Verse) in order to differentiate between his alternate counterparts, give some context for which canon he comes from, and to understand that his past and present version are one in the same. Or at least that's what I believe. 🤷‍♂️
OculoOmnibus said:
Actually now that I think about it, would having 4D HDE automatically make a character Tier 2 or are there other requirements for it? I might need to search the forums for or try to remember things for this answer but it's entirely possible the whole Low 2-C downgrade might be moot if the site's rules center around this.
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Not quite sure myself if a character can achieve Tier 2 by default via being 4D, perhaps there needs to be justification for it or something. I'd say that it's quite plausible for X to reach Low 2-C given the feats he's capable of/done and with HDE of course. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
OculoOmnibus said:
Actually now that I think about it, would having 4D HDE automatically make a character Tier 2 or are there other requirements for it? I might need to search the forums for or try to remember things for this answer but it's entirely possible the whole Low 2-C downgrade might be moot if the site's rules center around this.
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The wiki separates dimensional existence from power. So, at least according to the site's rules, being 4D isn't enough to be Tier 2.

By the way, I still stand by my opinion (except for the whole cross-scaling thing with Sonic, since the wiki rules don't allow that). X should be Low 2-C based on my previous analysis (I've refuted most of the counterarguments there) + be superior to Faker, who can destroy his reality.

My interest in the verse has been waning (me, waiting for SonicPC), and the outcome of this comes down to "whoever gets the most votes wins." So if many people vote for categorizing X as 7-C, then so be it.
 
TheShape03 said:
The wiki separates dimensional existence from power. So, at least according to the site's rules, being 4D isn't enough to be Tier 2.
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Ah okay that answers my question.
ClashIReckon said:
Not quite sure myself if a character can achieve Tier 2 by default via being 4D, perhaps there needs to be justification for it or something. I'd say that it's quite plausible for X to reach Low 2-C given the feats he's capable of/done and with HDE of course. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he gets an onscreen Tier 2 feat in canon since he is a rewritten version of JC's X, who also had one by the end of the Round 2 and in the Origin story (Though Round 2 isn't canon to Joe's continuity).
TheShape03 said:
My interest in the verse has been waning (me, waiting for SonicPC), and the outcome of this comes down to "whoever gets the most votes wins." So if many people vote for categorizing X as 7-C, then so be it.
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Technically there's enough votes to make changes to the page itself, with the only tie being the NPES category (and I guess the whole debate on the name, though "X-Verse" probably works for now).

But considering that itself touches on the VOID Physiology power system, I could probably move that whole thing to another thread or have a discussion about it in whenever the X-Verse/Official Sonic.exe megathread gets made.

Also me waiting for the game to come out lol.
 
Could these feats/statements possibly make Low 2-C (to maybe 2-C) more concrete for both Lord X and EXE?
(even though one scan is sort of just a shitpost [yet may perhaps add some consistency to Tier 2] and the other two are information from a couple years back though haven't been deemed as unapplicable yet in current canon)
 
ClashIReckon said:
Could these feats/statements possibly make Low 2-C (to maybe 2-C) more concrete for both Lord X and EXE?
(even though one scan is sort of just a shitpost [yet may perhaps add some consistency to Tier 2] and the other two are information from a couple years back though haven't been deemed as unapplicable yet in current canon)
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It was discussed before in both previous threads and this thread, but it boiled down to mostly this:
  1. EXE's feat isn't a Tier 2 because the statement consists of him destroying everything within the universe (though if a timeframe or more statements as to how long he could do it were given, we could have a potential calc made). Being a threat to the universe and destroying things within the universe =/= Destroying the actual spacetime of a universe, unless there is enough information that backs the claim up.
  2. Meme statements as far as I know aren't really used unless WoG outright clarifies the character can do the said feat.
  3. Even with using the wiki page for Lord X, he simply can't be given this tiering because of the rules for it. There needs to be additional clarifications for X's dimension in order to give him the tiering. I don't know how his limitless statements would play into this since nothing states that his pocket world is infinite, but I can probably ask a question about it on the forum later.
I honestly think the Cult of X wiki isn't a reliable source anymore because of the fact that we have clarification about the canonicity of Original PC Port and VOID matter being outright stated as a completely different energy than antimatter, which both contradict the information given on the pages. There are newer sources for X that seem to provide similar information so maybe these could be used instead as a source.
ClashIReckon said:
New information for his true form and two renders
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Looks awesome and I love the concept behind it
I can add the renders and Perception Manipulation to the VOID Physiology page since it's stated to be incomprehensible to humans.

Some other things I found:
 
OculoOmnibus said:
EXE's feat isn't a Tier 2 because the statement consists of him destroying everything within the universe (though if a timeframe or more statements as to how long he could do it were given, we could have a potential calc made). Being a threat to the universe and destroying things within the universe =/= Destroying the actual spacetime of a universe, unless there is enough information that backs the claim up.
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I just remembered it doesn't say "destroy his reality," it says "destroy everything within his reality," which is different. The feat should still be at least 3-B because even if it takes 10 years to destroy the entire material universe, it still results in that result.

OculoOmnibus said:
I honestly think the Cult of X wiki isn't a reliable source anymore because of the fact that we have clarification about the canonicity of Original PC Port and VOID matter being outright stated as a completely different energy than antimatter, which both contradict the information given on the pages. There are newer sources for X that seem to provide similar information so maybe these could be used instead as a source.
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Meh, some things on the page were retconned, that's all.

ClashIReckon said:
Could these feats/statements possibly make Low 2-C (to maybe 2-C) more concrete for both Lord X and EXE?
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However, I agree not to use any of this; either they're memes or they're stuff from old EXE/Faker canon.

OculoOmnibus said:
2011 canonically does not have a Faker form, with the FNF mod not being canon (This somewhat raises my question with the separate keys but I guess for now that would be reserved for another CRT).
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We've already discussed that; 2011 still has the ability to shapeshift, he just doesn't use a Faker form. Another key would be useless because they would share the same powers and stats.

However, it's true that both stages of X use their powers differently (with Lord X using a faker form to lure his victims and not being so childish when attacking his victims) and have different weaknesses (well, I exaggerated, but in 2011 he had the weakness of being childish, something not seen during his Lord X stage).

So, it occurs to me that, to make a distinction, just like in the weaknesses section, we should create a "Standard Tactics" section separating the 2011 section from the Lord X section, and leave a note that anyone using X in a vs thread must specify which stage of the character they are using.
 
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TheShape03 said:
We've already discussed that; 2011 still has the ability to shapeshift, he just doesn't use a Faker form. Another key would be useless because they would share the same powers and stats.

However, it's true that both stages of X use their powers differently (with Lord X using a faker form to lure his victims and not being so childish when attacking his victims) and have different weaknesses (well, I exaggerated, but in 2011 he had the weakness of being childish, something not seen during his Lord X stage).

So, it occurs to me that, to make a distinction, just like in the weaknesses section, we should create a "Standard Tactics" section separating the 2011 section from the Lord X section, and leave a note that anyone using X in a vs thread must specify which stage of the character they are using.
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Yea a standard tactics section might be useful.
 
OculoOmnibus said:
I think this might be some confirmation.
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Yes, that's enough for me.

Edit: Now that I read it better, "yeah, that's no longer canon. We changed it a bit ago" seems to refer to the whole thing about X being antimatter, which is, well, what they changed to make it "VOID Energy."

So, I still maintain that the wiki may still contain canon information, given that, as I said, some things are being retconned and that's it. But at this point, the little information that may remain canon is completely useless.
 
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TheShape03 said:
Yes, that's enough for me.

Edit: Now that I read it better, "yeah, that's no longer canon. We changed it a bit ago" seems to refer to the whole thing about X being antimatter, which is, well, what they changed to make it "VOID Energy."

So, I still maintain that the wiki may still contain canon information, given that, as I said, some things are being retconned and that's it. But at this point, the little information that may remain canon is completely useless.
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I guess it depends on how you interpret his post
Though I think the information about X's origins and the nature of the Void are still valid anyways since there are other scans and sources for them outside of the wiki, but the wiki itself doesn't really seem reliable because of how outdated it is.
 
Vyfourthaccount said:
Idk man it seems HDE to me
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He already has it on the page
El_rapero_de_tf2 said:
Gotta thank y’all for keeping him as High 3-A cause making him physically 7-C would’ve been ridiculous ngl
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We probably would need to do another CRT (or maybe a blog) about the nature of VOID Matter and whether it would be a UES or not, since usually that's how the wiki makes Creation and Reality Warping feats scale to a character's AP.
 
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Here's a recent post that I found not too long ago where Raven states just a few things and clarifies about what is and isn't canon anymore for EXE




Alongside some further confirmation for X's origins from GEAR0SHIFT ig 🤷‍♂️, plus more concrete stuff for X's limitless powers/abilities



sigh when are we going to get the 1-A upgrade
 
ClashIReckon said:
Hey, it just occurred to me. Why doesn't X have "Breaking the Fourth Wall" on his profile?
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Because he doesn't break the fourth wall, since "the game" is just another universe/world, all he does while talking to the player is communicating with someone who is in another universe.
 
TheShape03 said:
Because he doesn't break the fourth wall, since "the game" is just another universe/world, all he does while talking to the player is communicating with someone who is in another universe.
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Ah, I understand.
Also, how do we explain this post when Joe states that X would be aware of "all" crossovers?
 
I think Type 1 Immortality should be included as well for X, if we're talking about his True Form rather than within his vessel
 
Decided to add a compilation of what terms X's reality is referred to as <directly> and how many times said terms are used:

Universe
https://web.archive.org/web/2022042...om/losermakesgames/status/1518441776939339776


Subuniverse


Dimension


World


https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1336031497686372352
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1345564220390162434
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1466236011197833222
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1518369292592451585
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1526076770985816065
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1639337569455607808
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1803951625285046505
https://bsky.app/profile/losermakesgames.bsky.social/post/3lmoz3iupgc2z
https://web.archive.org/web/20230111225940/https://cult-of-x.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_X

Domain
https://x.com/losermakesgames/status/1533388449268391936
 
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