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Shadow vs Fairy

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Cid Kagenou vs Erza Scarlet (X784)
Rules:

  • Speed is NOT equalised.
  • Starting Distance: 10 meters
  • Location: Tournament of Power
  • No one has prep time
  • Erza has prior knowledge
  • Cid's AP: 1.727 Gigatons, 2,15 Gigatons with damage boost, 141 Petatons with I AM ATOMIC
  • Erza's AP: 3.6 Gigatons, 7.2 Gigatons (i think?)
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Cid's advantages:
  • One Shots with IAA
  • More Skilled
  • Better Techniques
  • Better IQ
  • Perception speed advantage
  • Better BIQ
  • More Haxed
  • Luck
  • Higher range
  • Higher LS
  • Better Stamina
Shadow - GodEarh206, XxZetsuxX, Zefra3011
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Erza's advantages:

  • Ap advantage
  • More versatility
  • More experienced
  • More techniques
  • Better pain tolerance
  • More weapons
  • Speed advantage
  • More durable
  • Prior knowledge
Seventh Guild Master of Fairy Tail -
 
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The speed gap was too big for Cid to do anything while being slashed by Erza so many times, it could be hundreds, thousands of times.
 
The speed gap was too big for Cid to do anything while being slashed by Erza so many times, it could be hundreds, thousands of times.
Not really, the difference between Cid's perception speed and Erza's combat speed is not even a x2 last time I checked, Cid's perception speed scales both his slow motion perception and his magic activation speed, meaning Cid can activate his magic in time to boost his durability, Erza won't one shot him right away. There is also a huge stamina difference, Cid scales to >72h of continuous fight while, based on Erza profile, she has mainly pain tolerance feats; Cid might just endure attacks until Erza tires herself out in trying to kill him. Or, Cid can simply charge up I AM ATOMIC and eventually one shot Erza. This would be the easiest way for Cid to win.

Also, I don't think Erza is the berserk type of fighter who would just casually dash in the instant the fight starts (thats why I asked for her standard tactic) so Cid has time to info an her and predict all her attacks
 
Also, I don't think Erza is the berserk type of fighter who would just casually dash in the instant the fight starts (thats why I asked for her standard tactic) so Cid has time to info an her and predict all her attacks
then the match will probably go as you said, i also don't think Erza will be able to do anything other than "spam" slashes, while Cid has terrible stamina and I AM ATOMIC level H6-A, which can instantly wipe Erza out. i will vote Shadow
 
then the match will probably go as you said, i also don't think erza will be able to do anything other than "spam" slashes,
Cid has vector manip which changes the course of magic attacks

Both use magic, so i think it will work against erza
while cid has terrible stamina
He doesn't Cid from what i can tell has higher stamina than Erza (energy exertion) while Erza has better pain tolerance than Cid
 
I will vote for Cid due to the following;

Speed difference is almost irrelevant, Cid can parry, block, evade with his OP ANPR to help him which works on blitz attacks, has IA to dodge stuff on instinct, can use his vector manipulation to redirect magic based attacks, has his mist form which makes him intangible

Cid outskills to oblivion, has IAA to one shot her (though she can outrun it, Cid can mabye create a scenario where she is unable to do so), can outstamina her, and his attacks are also impossible to detect as opponents with decent ANPR in Cid's verse cannot see the attack due to being so efficient and no wasted movements
 
Cid is a literal statue here + ur giving erza prior knowledge (NO SHOT she lets him use iaa)

Erza ftw
 
Not really, the difference between Cid's perception speed and Erza's combat speed is not even a x2 last time I checked, Cid's perception speed scales both his slow motion perception and his magic activation speed, meaning Cid can activate his magic in time to boost his durability,
Cid's perception: 0.000000365s

Erza: 0.02c

she's easily blitzing his perception.
Erza won't one shot him right away.
She is....
There is also a huge stamina difference, Cid scales to >72h of continuous fight while, based on Erza profile, she has mainly pain tolerance feats;
The fight doesn't last that long when erza is this much faster with an ap advantage.
Cid might just endure attacks until Erza tires herself out in trying to kill him.
2.15 gigatons vs at least (edit: dozens) of hits each with around 3.6 gigatons ..bro no
Or, Cid can simply charge up I AM ATOMIC and eventually one shot Erza.
Cid is already a statue...he's never getting the time to pull it off ESPECIALLY with prior knowledge
This would be the easiest way for Cid to win.

Unrealistic but ok
Also, I don't think Erza is the berserk type of fighter who would just casually dash in the instant the fight starts (thats why I asked for her standard tactic) so Cid has time to info an her and predict all her attacks

Erzas standard battle tactics if I recall correctly consists of rushing down her opponent with close range armours. Cid would be lucky to actually analyze her with this much of a speed gap he isn't dodging anything.
 
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I will vote for Cid due to the following;

Speed difference is almost irrelevant, Cid can parry, block, evade with his OP ANPR to help him which works on blitz attacks,
The speed gap is more than just a blitz diff. This is like tens of times his perception
has IA to dodge stuff on instinct,
has his IA dodged stuff with this big a gap?
can use his vector manipulation to redirect magic based attacks,
Is it passive?
has his mist form which makes him intangible
Cool, he's too slow to use it.
Cid outskills to oblivion,
Erza speed blitzes into oblivion
has IAA to one shot her (though she can outrun it, Cid can mabye create a scenario where she is unable to do so),
She's never letting him pull that off with speed gap + prior knowledge
can outstamina her, and his attacks are also impossible to detect as opponents with decent ANPR in Cid's verse cannot see the attack due to being so efficient and no wasted movements
Again speed gap makes this irrelevant he's getting statued MANY times over
 
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The speed gap is more than just a blitz diff. This is like tens of times his perception
Speed is irrelevant against Cid, he can just predict trajectories along with many other stuff
has his IA dodged stuff with this big a gap?
Does it matter? He can already dodge/block/parry stuff blitz worthy
Is it passive?
No
Cool, he's too slow to use it.
No? Erza attacks, Cid predicts and parries and can instantly go for it for example
Erza speed blitzes into oblivion
Cid has fought people who blitz him several times over while he was restricted and could not fight with magic like oliver, he can just dodge or block attack and preventing Erza from hitting a vital spot
She's never letting him pull that off with speed gap + prior knowledge
Cid can just create a scenario where he can just do it lol
Again speed gap makes this irrelevant he's getting statued MANY times over
Speed is not a factor here, Cid's attacks are unpercievable due to being completely devoid of blood lust, wasted movements, no swagger etc etc
 
Cid can avoid major damage by;
  • Doing micro-movements by just walking
  • Parry the attack and fling Erza away since he has LS advantage (like, she attacks Cid and then Cid just swings his arm and sends her flying, giving Cid time to do a follow up, or do it again)
  • Block the attack since he has the LS advantage
  • Avoid fatal damage by leading Erza to non lethal spots like she did with olivier
  • Has IA which works on blitz stuff
  • Mist form
  • Vector manipulation
  • Luck (?)
He will also get better as the fight continues, he will make less and less wasted movements and even create new moves as a means to adapt to her
 
Cid's perception: 0.000000365s

Erza: 0.02c

she's easily blitzing his perception.
She is like x2 his perception speed? They start few meters away, she won't make it within that timeframe.
She is....
She is not even x2 his durability lol.
The fight doesn't last that long when erza is this much faster with an ap advantage.
If Erza can't one shot cid he can keep tank and regen himself and won't finish his magic pool until days pass. I'm not sure why speed matters when Cid can just spam regen within a timeframe close to Erza's speed.
2.15 gigatons vs at least (edit: dozens) of hits each with around 3.6 gigatons ..bro no
Idk what to tell you but, again, Cid can just spam regen within those dozens of attacks. There isn't a single scenario where she just cut his head off.
Cid is already a statue...he's never getting the time to pull it off ESPECIALLY with prior knowledge
He can charge it up while he is getting attacked, being statue or not is irrelevant. If she had prior knowledge how is she gonna use it? If anything if he can just drop a nuke that one shots her she might even fear it and play on the defensive.
Unrealistic but ok
Calling something unrealistic without explanation doesn't make it unrealistic.


Small summary:
-The AP difference is too little for her to end it in a single blow and Cid can spam regen for days straight.
-Even if you argue Cid can't move at all his Perception Speed is enough to make his magic based hax work, Erza is just x2 this speed. Cid dealt with attacks over mach 1 while walking (1-2 m/s)
-He can charge IAA while he is getting hit and release it when she is close
-If he can't use IAA somehow he can just outstamina her.

Your main argument is the stats difference which isn't that huge overall nor it wouldn't allow Cid to.

I also thought about the sba rules. But if we include IAA's range then Erza and Cid'll start kilometers away.
Erzas standard battle tactics if I recall correctly consists of rushing down her opponent with close range armours.
Would she do it in the precise instant the fight start without even trying to see what the opponent does?
Cid would be lucky to actually analyze her with this much of a speed gap he isn't dodging anything.
He can aim-dodge technically, he can't pull it off endlessly though, that's fair.
 
By the way, Cid is now officially relativistic perception speed, he should have no problem percieving Erza
 
Speed is irrelevant against Cid, he can just predict trajectories along with many other stuff

It would be a nlf to say he can predict stuff this much faster without any evidence.
How is he gonna predict something tens of times his perception?
Does it matter? He can already dodge/block/parry stuff blitz worthy
This isn't just blitz worthy this is someone being like tens of times his perception. Normal Aim dodging shouldn't even be possible here.
yes
No? Erza attacks, Cid predicts and parries and can instantly go for it for example

Cid has fought people who blitz him several times over while he was restricted and could not fight with magic like oliver, he can just dodge or block attack and preventing Erza from hitting a vital spot
Cool, could they blitz his magic perception to the same extent erza can?
Cid can just create a scenario where he can just do it lol
Again how? he's a statue...he physically can't do anything
Speed is not a factor here, Cid's attacks are unpercievable due to being completely devoid of blood lust, wasted movements, no swagger etc etc
Erza is the one leading the attack here not cid. She doesn't need to predict him with a speed gap this gross.
 
She is like x2 his perception speed? They start few meters away, she won't make it within that timeframe.
Erza has kilometers of range on her pf. She's easily covering this.
She is not even x2 his durability lol.
If she is faster than his perception and can cover kilometers of distance there is no way cid is reacting.
If Erza can't one shot cid
no magic = she can
he can keep tank and regen himself and won't finish his magic pool until days pass.
Cool she either one shots him or hits him at speeds faster than he can physically heal
I'm not sure why speed matters when Cid can just spam regen within a timeframe close to Erza's speed.
lemme put it like this.

If cid has 100 hp and heals 100 hp every 1 second and erza can deal 12hp in 0.1 seconds what do you think happens? she's gonna deal 120hp in 1 second which eclipses cids healing compacity.
Idk what to tell you but, again, Cid can just spam regen within those dozens of attacks.
He won't be regenerating since he's a statue...or is his regen a part of his perception speed?
There isn't a single scenario where she just cut his head off.
Dawg you just admited she can outpace his perception which means he can't percieve her..all she needs to do is launch an attack at him with any of the myriad of offensive armours she has right to the head and its ggs.
He can charge it up while he is getting attacked,
he can't move
being statue or not is irrelevant. If she had prior knowledge how is she gonna use it?
If she has prior knowlege this guarentees she's 100% gonna pick an armour with the speed and range to prevent him from doing anything.
If anything if he can just drop a nuke that one shots her she might even fear it and play on the defensive.
Erza isn't dumb...prior knowledge means she knows its a charge up attack that can easily vaporize her...she's never letting him get it off.
Calling something unrealistic without explanation doesn't make it unrealistic.
Ur saying cid can predict attacks Beyond his magic perception speed without sending anything proving this which makes the idea of him moving very unrealistic.
Small summary:
-The AP difference is too little for her to end it in a single blow
Factoring in cids dura without magic,erzas speed, and her range...yeah
and Cid can spam regen for days straight.
erza can just cut his head
-Even if you argue Cid can't move at all his Perception Speed is enough to make his magic based hax work,
If she's faster than his perception by a whole 2 times and has attacks like this which she's def using with prior knowledge she's gonna decapacitate him then.
Erza is just x2 this speed. Cid dealt with attacks over mach 1 while walking (1-2 m/s)
this isn't faster than his perception speed which is supposedly mhs+
-He can charge IAA while he is getting hit and release it when she is close
Erza cuts his head off long before that happens
-If he can't use IAA somehow he can just outstamina her.
the fight won't last that long
Your main argument is the stats difference which isn't that huge overall nor it wouldn't allow Cid to.
My main arg is that she's faster than his perception + has prior knowledge + has armours that can easily hit him dozens of times over. With all of this in mind she either decapitates him before he activates his magic or decapitates him before he uses iaa.
I also thought about the sba rules. But if we include IAA's range then Erza and Cid'll start kilometers away.
Erza has the range while cid dosen't...this just makes things harder for cid.
Would she do it in the precise instant the fight start without even trying to see what the opponent does?
if she has prior knowledge then yes
He can aim-dodge technically,
He can't...

-He'd already struggle with one attack if erza fires multiple attacks that are faster than his perception he is not dodging
he can't pull it off endlessly though, that's fair.
If thats the case then wouldn't that mean she can decapitate him before he uses iaa?
 
Btw now his perception speed is Relativistic from a new upgrade so I won't even argue why MHS+ was enough.

About regen we don't have a real timeframe for how fast he heals, but he can activate anything magic related within in perception speed timeframe.

He also doesn't need to move to charge up IAA. I have no idea why you think using magic, a thought based energy, would require him to move physically. He is shown to keep modelling his magic for hours in V2 while doing other things alongside fighting.

Ur saying cid can predict attacks Beyond his magic perception speed without sending anything proving this which makes the idea of him moving very unrealistic.
He predicts attacks even before they actually happen, speed isn't a factor when it comes to Analytical Prediction. It's not the same as reacting lol. Cid even aim dodges attacks which means he moves BEFORE the attack even starts so he isn't in the trajectory from the start, like how IRL people can 'dodge' bullets.

How is she gonna prevent him from using IAA by the way?
 
Btw now his perception speed is Relativistic from a new upgrade so I won't even argue why MHS+ was enough.

mid thread is crazy...feels exactly like isekai plot armor which I find kinda funny
About regen we don't have a real timeframe for how fast he heals, but he can activate anything magic related within in perception speed timeframe.
 Then why is his combat speed nowhere near his perception speed on his pf?
He also doesn't need to move to charge up IAA. I have no idea why you think using magic, a thought based energy, would require him to move physically.
IAA is an attack which would normally require movement...the logic was simple.
He is shown to keep modelling his magic for hours in V2 while doing other things alongside fighting.
mk that's a fair point
He predicts attacks even before they actually happen, speed isn't a factor when it comes to Analytical Prediction. It's not the same as reacting lol.
The thing with analytical prediction is that just with anything else you still need feats that suggests he can do the same thing to things beyond his perception speed. You can't just bring up a showing of him using his analytical precog in situations where the speed diff wasn't this big
Cid even aim dodges attacks which means he moves BEFORE the attack even starts so he isn't in the trajectory from the start, like how IRL people can 'dodge' bullets.
 I'd continue the discussion if cid didn't get an ultra mick upgrade that makes everything pointless
How is she gonna prevent him from using IAA by the way?
by killing him way before he could use it...or at least she couldve
 
His combat speed is different because that's how fast his physical body moves when 'pushed' by magic. While the Relativistic tier come from how much time he needs to activate magic and how fast he can percieve the world around him. I'm not sure why the two should be linked.

IAA is a simple release of magic he charged up prior. Depending on which specific one he decides to use it might or might not require a motion.
Like how he dashes. He explains it as 'charging some magic on the sole of his foot and shoot himself forward'. The only required movement for all his magic attacks, unless shown otherwise, is the movement of his magic, which in this case is Rel.
 
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