Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread

[Crabwhale]

consume human flesh

Kuru says hi.

I am positive that those who work at and even own these factories are well aware. I do not believe the people working in them are intentionally abusing the animals, and do try to do what they can to keep habitable conditions. Like many things like this which are bad, I feel as though the issue is with regulations. Just as when I go to get my medication, and I have a problem, I know it is not the pharmacy tech, or nurses, or doctors... it's the insurance. So here again, someone far, far above your pay grade has been told by someone above their pay grade about how to most efficiently fit the livestock in order to maximize profits. Workers are left to contend with trying to give the animals any sort of comfort.

While there are plenty of regulations that are for the better, we have to admit that some are predatory and uncaring for anything but money. This goes right along with zoning, for me... it makes sense to keep the factories apart from homes, but then we got all of this single-family-home-zoning nonsense. Then again with this topic, the antibiotics help to keep the cows healthier, but then we get all of this antibiotic resistance nonsense. It's an unfortunate event, simply following the Law of Unintended Consequences. Add capitalism, and those unintended consequences become just part of the profit machine, instead of something the people setting regulations want to change.

As a vet student, it's a balancing act between profit and suffering. Too much bureacratic shuffling of feet along with regulation and you end up with a food crisis. Too little regulation and you devolve into barbarism, while more importantly also putting the lives of the customer base at risk.

Two things though: first, antibiotic use willy nilly is absolutely prohibited and will probably require consultation with a medical professional, same as human medicine. If inspectors find products tainted beyond an incredibly tiny specified safe dosage of antibiotic residue, you are at minimum having that entire batch of product barred from being sold, and thrown away. Could face charges as well.

Same thing goes with handling. At least in Europe there are some very strict guidelines about what you can and can't do while rearing animals. Not following them is a fasttrack to fines and even jailtime, especially in the EU.

 

[SlendVeny]

I simply cannot comprehend why you would desire such a thing. It does not smell nice when raw, and the texture is not very pleasant. I often get "the ick" when simply seasoning raw chicken before cooking. I have eaten sushi and enjoy very rare steak, but this... this one has me looking at you with a bit of a side-eye there, friend.

I don't think it's be good, I just... must know. It speaks to me, in a way.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I second this, but would add an additional point.

I'm extending an official warning to @Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer. Discussing cruel, unusual and graphic punishments with absolutely no humor of any kind and for extended periods of time ain't something we need on here. So, cease with that, and don't go doing it again any time soon.

Where do I find the warning tracker though? (Also, do they expire after a set period of time? I've seen peeps get warned and seen the tracker being mentioned in RVR but not sure how it works compared to bans and mutes of set lengths)

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

consume human flesh

NO THANKS I DON'T WANNA RISK 100% CERTAIN DEATH FROM PRIONS

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Kuru says hi.

As does Creutzfeldt–Jakob, fatal familial insomnia, and other TSEs, and haemochromatosis if we're adding blood consumption into it (obligatory Merchant Of Venice pound of flesh with no blood reference)

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

So based

Delectable!

to survive

Clearly you three follow Alexander Pearce and Hannibal Lecter (I'd hesitate naming other either real life or fictional cases cause of the warning and cause said cases also involve necrophilia and more murder and stuff that obviously isn't worth further discussing, but if you know you know).

 

[Homie890]

Man, why are boars not extinct right now on Brasil?
like, these dipshits are invasive species, why did our government didn't just... idk kill them all?

 

[Voidnether]

Man, why are boars not extinct right now on Brasil?
like, these dipshits are invasive species, why did our government didn't just... idk kill them all?

Isn't boar meat good or something that's why they keep it

 

[Homie890]

Idk

Isn't boar meat good or something that's why they keep it

, never ate boar in my life, only pork meat.

 

[O0DSF0o]

Lethal Company is kind of ass tbh. It's very boring, even with friends, and is generally not entertaining.

I do respect it tho, mainly the dev behind it finally getting a W

 

[Mr. Bambu]

NO THANKS I DON'T WANNA RISK 100% CERTAIN DEATH FROM PRIONS

 

[FinePoint]

Where do I find the warning tracker though? (Also, do they expire after a set period of time? I've seen peeps get warned and seen the tracker being mentioned in RVR but not sure how it works compared to bans and mutes of set lengths)

The warning tracker is here.

It doesn't look like @Crabwhale actually added you to it. I'm unsure if that was intentional or an oversight.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Guys, AI can now draw manga, and its art isn't bad! I just ask it to translate and draw a picture at the same time with a manga panel. Here's what it drew.

The original ones still solo.

Soon, AI will be able to do anything and rule.
I also asked it to draw a random manga panel. This is what it drew.

 

[QueenCripple]

NO THANKS I DON'T WANNA RISK 100% CERTAIN DEATH FROM PRIONS

Fun fact: Not a 100% risk!

I have many morbid fascinations, especially in the world of true crime, natural disasters, historical torture methods... And that happens to include many tales of cannibalism. Especially in times of widespread famine, throughout history we have consumed our fellows. There is a story I remember highly of the Fore people, a tribe from the eastern highlands of Papua New Guinea.

They practiced ritual funerary cannibalism, believing it was a way to honor and absorb the essence of their deceased loved ones. Unfortunately, this tradition led to the spread of the neurodegenerative disease they called "kuru", caused by prions concentrated in brain tissue. I remember the podcaster talking about the symptoms, how people knew they had a year before they dropped dead when the trembling started... There was a researcher, Dr. Carleton Gajdusek, who figured out what was happening and tried very hard to trace the cause and convince the Fore to abandon the practice. Once they stopped consuming human brains, the disease all but vanished.

So yes—eat all the soylent green you like, just maybe leave the gray matter off the menu.

 

[Giannysmag]

Guys, AI can now draw manga, and its art isn't bad! I just ask it to translate and draw a picture at the same time with a manga panel. Here's what it drew.

The original ones still solo.

Soon, AI will be able to do anything and rule.
I also asked it to draw a random manga panel. This is what it drew.

Ts so ass

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Ts so ass

Can you draw better? The reason why I called it good is that it had good quality, and there are mangas out there with worse art and quality.

 

[Giannysmag]

Can you draw better? The reason why I called it good is that it had good quality, and there are mangas out there with worse art and quality.

Ofc I can

 

[FinePoint]

Guys, AI can now draw manga, and its art isn't bad! I just ask it to translate and draw a picture at the same time with a manga panel. Here's what it drew.

It's been able to for a while now, though it's constantly getting better. The new Veo 3 stuff is both exciting and scary.

On one hand I fear for the economic impacts, how it'll remove jobs from the market, and how it'll be used for misinformation.

On the other I'm hopeful for reasons like this that it'll enable people to bring their ideas to life.

AI is a double-edged sword, though I suppose the same was true of the internet in general.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Ofc I can

Yeah, that is better art since it is from a "human".

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Fun fact: Not a 100% risk!

I have many morbid fascinations, especially in the world of true crime, natural disasters, historical torture methods... And that happens to include many tales of cannibalism. Especially in times of widespread famine, throughout history we have consumed our fellows. There is a story I remember highly of the Fore people, a tribe from the eastern highlands of Papua New Guinea.

They practiced ritual funerary cannibalism, believing it was a way to honor and absorb the essence of their deceased loved ones. Unfortunately, this tradition led to the spread of the neurodegenerative disease they called "kuru", caused by prions concentrated in brain tissue. I remember the podcaster talking about the symptoms, how people knew they had a year before they dropped dead when the trembling started... There was a researcher, Dr. Carleton Gajdusek, who figured out what was happening and tried very hard to trace the cause and convince the Fore to abandon the practice. Once they stopped consuming human brains, the disease all but vanished.

So yes—eat all the soylent green you like, just maybe leave the gray matter off the menu.

no I'm eating the brain too

 

[FinePoint]

no I'm eating the brain too

Based.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I'd rather take ass art with passion and effort put into it over "good" art made by a soulless and unfeeling machine, to be honest. At least bad art gives people a motivation to try improving their art and make it better.

There's a reason why there was that stink a couple week ago involving AI Studio Ghibli art all over the internet, it just takes all the hard work and effort of a renowned artist and ***** out something so emotionless because of AI.

 

[FinePoint]

I'd rather take ass art with passion and effort put into it over "good" art made by a soulless and unfeeling machine, to be honest. At least bad art gives people a motivation to try improving their art and make it better.

There's a reason why there was that stink a couple week ago involving AI Studio Ghibli art all over the internet, it just takes all the hard work and effort of a renowned artist and ***** out something so emotionless because of AI.

Well AI has been far better than humans at Chess for decades now. It hasn't stopped people from being passionately interested in improving their own abilities.

While AI will certainly destroy art as a reliable career, I see no reason it can't persist as a personal hobby or passion.

 

[Giannysmag]

On the other I'm hopeful for reasons like this that it'll enable people to bring their ideas to life.

The problem with this argument is that drawing and creating art isn't some unreachable skill that only a select few gifted can achieve. Anyone can pick up a pen or drawing tablet and make their ideas come to life, regardless of if the final product will look professional or even good (case and point the One Punch Man webcomic)

 

[FinePoint]

The problem with this argument is that drawing and creating art isn't some unreachable skill that only a select few gifted can achieve. Anyone can pick up a pen or drawing tablet and make their ideas come to life, regardless of if the final product will look professional or even good (case and point the One Punch Man webcomic)

Well, you've baked the caveat into your own argument.

What if I want it to also look good?

 

[Giannysmag]

Well, you've baked the caveat into your own argument.

What if I want it to also look good?

Then you'd keep drawing to get better at it, you know the way it's been done for all of human history

 

[QueenCripple]

Kuru says hi.

As a vet student, it's a balancing act between profit and suffering. Too much bureacratic shuffling of feet along with regulation and you end up with a food crisis. Too little regulation and you devolve into barbarism, while more importantly also putting the lives of the customer base at risk.

Two things though: first, antibiotic use willy nilly is absolutely prohibited and will probably require consultation with a medical professional, same as human medicine. If inspectors find products tainted beyond an incredibly tiny specified safe dosage of antibiotic residue, you are at minimum having that entire batch of product barred from being sold, and thrown away. Could face charges as well.

Same thing goes with handling. At least in Europe there are some very strict guidelines about what you can and can't do while rearing animals. Not following them is a fasttrack to fines and even jailtime, especially in the EU.

Haha, I wrote my entire post about Kuru before seeing this from you!

I am in the USA, so I believe we have some specific marked differences. Under the current administration (I will not get into a political debate right now, just stating things that are happening), several food safety and animal welfare regulations were rolled back, including reduced USDA oversight in pork processing plants and looser enforcement of environmental protections related to farming. RFK Jr. has expressed skepticism toward regulatory agencies like the FDA and CDC, basically wanting to dismantle a lot of regulations that were put in place for good reasons.

With further research, I feel it's safe to say that the European Union generally maintains stricter standards than the United States when it comes to animal welfare, food safety, and agricultural regulations. Here's some information I found,

• Antibiotics: The EU banned the use of antibiotics for growth promotion in animals in 2006; the U.S. followed suit much later with partial restrictions.
• Hormones in meat: The EU bans hormone-treated beef entirely; the U.S. allows it.
• Animal welfare: EU law mandates minimum space, enrichment, and handling requirements for farm animals; U.S. standards are generally looser and even vary by state.
• Food safety inspections: EU tends to use more preventive and traceability-based systems, while the U.S. has historically focused more on post-production testing and visual inspections.
  
  

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

While AI will certainly destroy art as a reliable career, I see no reason it can't persist as a personal hobby or passion.

And that's my big problem. I don't mind people using AI to enhance or assist them in making their ideas come to life, I think that's a good thing, but it shouldn't come at the expense of losing the human touch of art.

 

[FinePoint]

Then you'd keep drawing to get better at it, you know the way it's been done for all of human history

That sounds like a massive waste of my time when AI can do it for me.

 

[FinePoint]

And that's my big problem. I don't mind people using AI to enhance or assist them in making their ideas come to life, I think that's a good thing, but it shouldn't come at the expense of losing the human touch of art.

Aye, it's definitely sad.

Unfortunately, it seems inevitable that corporations will only use it to generate massive amounts of slop with no care.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The problem with this argument is that drawing and creating art isn't some unreachable skill that only a select few gifted can achieve. Anyone can pick up a pen or drawing tablet and make their ideas come to life, regardless of if the final product will look professional or even good (case and point the One Punch Man webcomic)

Then you'd keep drawing to get better at it, you know the way it's been done for all of human history

True, but for that, one needs a very strong passion that does not give up when they see something doing a better job than themselves.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That sounds like a massive waste of my time when AI can do it for me.

your soul has been consumed by the machine bro, it's over

 

[Giannysmag]

That sounds like a massive waste of my time when AI can do it for me.

Ig but if you disregard the entire creative process then what enjoyment can even be derived from the creation?

True, but for that, one needs a very strong passion that does not give up when they see something doing a better job than themselves.

There will always be someone doing things better than you, in any field no matter what. But that doesn't mean that the things you make and your progress aren't valuable

 

[FinePoint]

your soul has been consumed by the machine bro, it's over

Well I AM an avid writer, which already takes all my time and passion.

AI has been really helpful in just quickly showing people visually the kind of idea I already had in my head and described on paper.

The alternative would be to pay someone else to draw every single character, or somehow dedicate a second life to mastering art myself.

On a practical level, why would I do either when AI is free and easy and achieves the same purpose?

 

[FinePoint]

Ig but if you disregard the entire creative process then what enjoyment can even be derived from the creation?

Well visual art isn't the creative process I'm actually invested in.
I use it as a support to my actual passion, which is writing.

 

[Giannysmag]

Well visual art isn't the creative process I'm actually invested in.
I use it as a support to my actual passion, which is writing.

Fair but I genuienly think you'd find it more fulfilling to create visual art yourself for your ideas

 

[FinePoint]

Fair but I genuienly think you'd find it more fulfilling to create visual art yourself for your ideas

Well, if it's something I'm capable of, I do! I made this in Photoshop:

People, though? I can only draw stick figures. Before AI, I used character generator websites or character creators from video games, which aren't fundamentally much better- and in fact often left me literally unable to portray them accurately.

 

[Giannysmag]

Well, if it's something I'm capable of, I do! I made this in Photoshop:

People, though? I can only draw stick figures. Before AI, I used character generator websites or character creators from video games, which aren't fundamentally much better- and in fact often left me literally unable to portray them accurately.

Ohio

 

[QueenCripple]

Fair but I genuienly think you'd find it more fulfilling to create visual art yourself for your ideas

I used to do my own art. Unfortunately I have a genetic condition that is incurable, untreatable, progressive, and degenerative. It has taken my ability to draw for myself as my hands and arms spasm, cramp, and generally experience a massive amount of pain. My drawing ability has decreased by such a margin that trying to create it for myself is no longer fulfilling, and reminds me instead of the functionality I once had, which is now gone, and will continue to worsen. The utilization of generative AI has helped me bring to life images in my mind that I found difficult to explain, and which I cannot afford to pay an artist for due to my income being through the government and not properly rising with the cost of living.

To be honest, I usually try not to engage in these discussions as I am far too used to another social media platform where people simply dogpile, but I can see there are reasonable people here. I feel guilt over using AI, understand the profit motives of corporations and am disappointed to see when companies use AI to advertise instead of paying a person... I feel that there was and still is potential for AI, but that the people who are out there who will abuse what they can are really out here, ruining it for those of us wanting to just use it for personal reasons, as opposed to avoiding paying people for work in corporate settings.

 

[FinePoint]

Ohio

Indeed.

Anyway, I can't help that AI's most common use-case will probably be to mass-generate completely soulless slop by corporations or greedy people.

However, I can at least point out that not EVERYONE intends on using it that way, as little hope as that may give us.