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The Oldest Man vs. The Embodiment of Old (Adam (Hazbin hotel) vs the Aging Devil) (7-2-0) (Grace)

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I've been thinking long and hard on how to give these Primordial, Eldritch devils a match-up on this site that wasn't super one-sided, especially for Aging, and came up with this. Yeah. Anyways, enjoy my mind at work

Aging Devil Vs. Adam (Hazbin Hotel), equalized speed and Both are in-character

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Aging
Mid-High Regeneration Granted
Attack Potency: >166.47 Megatons
Durablity: >166.47 Megatons
Lifting Strength: >50,721,682.30 Metric Tons

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Adam
Attack Potency: 375 Megatons of TNT
Durability: >375 Megatons of TNT
Lifting Strength: >>>>>>>>>>>>>1156 Tons

Location: Pride Ring of Hellaverse Hell
Distance: 50 meters, Adam is flying in the air

"Transcendant Devil": @GunshyFever, @ElajRuengies, @GodEarh206, @Epiccheev @Acertainbcplayer, @Bimbitesthedust, @Ms.Luzifer

"The First Holy Man": @Alexander, @Anonymous_Learner,

"Pochita solos the Hellaverse (Inconclusive)":
 
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So, I had been thinking ever since I posted this and thus want to add it to the discussion. That being said, I don't really believe that Aging BFRing Adam to their world would work as a win con.
Aging's world negates all devil powers and abilities, as we know, but it's shown through Denji that things that aren't demonic ablities (like whatever he did with his mouth) can work in Aging's world. Adam's an angel and uses angelic holy magic for everything. He's literally made of holy light that negates demonic magic (according his page of course) so he shouldn't be affected and likely teleports back into hell.
So, yeah. My thoughts on the Aging Banishment "win con". I'll let you guys discuss Aging's other win cons and Adam's win cons
 
I'm assuming the Hells have been sorta equated- it'd be fitting for Angel stuff to be super effective against Devils. That said-
Anonymous_Learner said:
So, I had been thinking ever since I posted this and thus want to add it to the discussion. That being said, I don't really believe that Aging BFRing Adam to their world would work as a win con.
Aging's world negates all devil powers and abilities, as we know, but it's shown through Denji that things that aren't demonic ablities (like whatever he did with his mouth) can work in Aging's world. Adam's an angel and uses angelic holy magic for everything. He's literally made of holy light that negates demonic magic (according his page of course) so he shouldn't be affected and likely teleports back into hell.
So, yeah. My thoughts on the Aging Banishment "win con". I'll let you guys discuss Aging's other win cons and Adam's win cons
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That's not because Denji's stomach is somehow different, it's because not all of Denji was in Aging's world because Pochita was on the outside and they share a body.

Aging's World's Power Null works on anything within the world, but it can be effected by things outside it, like Aging itself putting its face on the trees.

Anywho, either Holy Light GG or Time Stop + Bang GG. And as they're in-character, Aging doesn't wait for Adam to continue yapping.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
but it's shown through Denji that things that aren't demonic ablities (like whatever he did with his mouth) can work in Aging's world.
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That's not how it works. Aging's World negates all devil abilities. Denji was able to vomit concepts in that realm because his stomach was connected to the real world instead of Aging's. That's how Yoshida and Yoru were able to constantly contact the real world, by entering Denji's mouth. It's not the application of an ability, Denji's stomach is simply a tunnel to the real world via Pochita.
Anonymous_Learner said:
Adam's an angel and uses angelic holy magic for everything. He's literally made of holy light that negates demonic magic (according his page of course) so he shouldn't be affected and likely teleports back into hell.
So, yeah. My thoughts on the Aging Banishment "win con". I'll let you guys discuss Aging's other win cons and Adam's win cons
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Chainsaw Man doesn’t have an energy system if that’s what you’re getting at, so Aging wouldn't be affected. He’s just a devil that represents the concept of aging. I don’t really know the logistics of this light ability, how it works or how it functions in an attack but if it’s a ranged attack that needs to land on the Aging Devil, time stop would take care of that.

Above was mostly a misinterpretation. Anyways, ill go for Aging considering he can time stop and BFR.
 
ElajRuengies said:
I'm assuming the Hells have been sorta equated- it'd be fitting for Angel stuff to be super effective against Devils. That said-
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I mean...eh? I wasn't really thinking that it's equalized but, if it's cool with everyone, it might be. I also think it would be cool
ElajRuengies said:
That's not because Denji's stomach is somehow different, it's because not all of Denji was in Aging's world because Pochita was on the outside and they share a body.

Aging's World's Power Null works on anything within the world, but it can be effected by things outside it, like Aging itself putting its face on the trees.

Anywho, either Holy Light GG or Time Stop + Bang GG. And as they're in-character, Aging doesn't wait for Adam to continue yapping.
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Well then, you're needed on the Chainsaw Additions Crt because they're trying to say that Denji's mouth extending beyond normal human mean is innate body control denji has. Anyways, doesn't Aging's World's Power Null works on specifically Devils (which Adam isn't)? This is more of a question than anything else
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Well then, you're needed on the Chainsaw Additions Crt because they're trying to say that Denji's mouth extending beyond normal human mean is innate body control denji has. Anyways, doesn't Aging's World's Power Null works on specifically Devils (which Adam isn't)? This is more of a question than anything else
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Body Control isn’t an ability, it’s just a feature of Denji being flexible and a freak.

Devil powers were only mentioned because they’re the only powers that exist in the Chainsaw Man universe. In a cross-verse matchup, even without VE, the concept would still translate to powers in general. This only wouldn’t apply if there were a separate entity in Chainsaw Man whose powers didn’t stem from conceptual means like devils, and instead had a completely different source. If that character entered Aging’s world and wasn’t affected, then you could argue that the effect only hinders devil-specific powers.

But regardless, devil powers are concept-based. So even if Adam isn’t a devil, his powers still wouldn’t work because the concept behind his abilities is what’s being nullified in Aging’s world.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I mean...eh? I wasn't really thinking that it's equalized but, if it's cool with everyone, it might be. I also think it would be cool

Well then, you're needed on the Chainsaw Additions Crt because they're trying to say that Denji's mouth extending beyond normal human mean is innate body control denji has. Anyways, doesn't Aging's World's Power Null works on specifically Devils (which Adam isn't)? This is more of a question than anything else
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Denji fit an entire bouquet of flowers into his mouth at the end of the Reze Arc; he's just the Throat-GOAT.

And Yoshida said "Devil Powers don't work" because the only supernatural powers that exist in Chainsaw Man are Devil Powers. It's not that it only works on Devils specifically, it's that Devils are the only supernatural race that exists besides whatever the f*ck Fumiko is.
 
ElajRuengies said:
Denji fit an entire bouquet of flowers into his mouth at the end of the Reze Arc; he's just the Throat-GOAT.

And Yoshida said "Devil Powers don't work" because the only supernatural powers that exist in Chainsaw Man are Devil Powers. It's not that it only works on Devils specifically, it's that Devils are the only supernatural race that exists besides whatever the f*ck Fumiko is.
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So, just to be sure, are you voting inconclusive or for Aging?
 
Can't Aging prevent the light by shielding himself with his dimensional mirrors? (Not like he'll have to because BFR but we get the gist)
 
Has they ever done that? Plus, it doesn't say they would do that from their standard strat (or at least what I understand from it. I'm having a killer headache today)
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Has they ever done that? Plus, it doesn't say they would do that from their standard strat (or at least what I understand from it. I'm having a killer headache today)
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He hasn't, but it's worth mentioning. Wouldn't time stop also just stop any damage being applied to him by the light as well?
 
yep. That's why it's Holy Light GG or Time stop+Banishment to the shadow realm GG
it's who hits who first and if Aging is taking Adam serious or being casual and letting the first man hit him like they and their other Primodial fellows has done a multitude of times.
 
Doesn't holy light take time to vaporize its victim, aging can activate time stop with a thought which is a counter to Adam's wincon.
 
Aside from soul erasure... Like regen low-high negation ain't doing anything (but soul erasure compensated for that). The stats difference aren't too high so I don't think Aging will just gonna die in 1 hit either (unless the attack itself is a 1 touch 1 shot type thing), while the other dude will.

Aging wins, it has too many hax it could use to just instantly win (and it will do, because you're putting them 50m apart, Aging ain't just gonna go lazy with it's hands) -> More wincon.

Vote Aging. It will likely go Timestop + BFR because the other dude is being absolutely overconfident and being an ass to Aging (it has shown to take this very seriously, like to Yoru). Even if Aging's realm can't negate the dude's ability (which it can), Adam ain't gonna get out of there due to only having interplanetary range.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Vote Aging. It will likely go Timestop + BFR because the other dude is being absolutely overconfident and being an ass to Aging (it has shown to take this very seriously, like to Yoru). Even if Aging's realm can't negate the dude's ability (which it can), Adam ain't gonna get out of there due to only having interplanetary range.
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Yeah the interplanetary range is bullshit to be honest
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
So, I had been thinking ever since I posted this and thus want to add it to the discussion. That being said, I don't really believe that Aging BFRing Adam to their world would work as a win con.
Aging's world negates all devil powers and abilities, as we know, but it's shown through Denji that things that aren't demonic ablities (like whatever he did with his mouth) can work in Aging's world. Adam's an angel and uses angelic holy magic for everything. He's literally made of holy light that negates demonic magic (according his page of course) so he shouldn't be affected and likely teleports back into hell.
So, yeah. My thoughts on the Aging Banishment "win con". I'll let you guys discuss Aging's other win cons and Adam's win cons
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Aging could try BFR but realistically Adam could get out of it with portals and such

Granted Aging could have the first hit because Adams a bit of an overconfident yapper, so Agings wincons seem to be more likely to happen in character

Granted if Aging BFRS him and it somehow sets bro off or something he may start doing something

But if Adam does come back and tries to kill w holy light it could just be Timestop + Transmutation ggs

Voting the elderly pochita fan
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Aging could try BFR but realistically Adam could get out of it with portals and such

Granted Aging could have the first hit because Adams a bit of an overconfident yapper, so Agings wincons seem to be more likely to happen in character

Granted if Aging BFRS him and it somehow sets bro off or something he may start doing something

But if Adam does come back and tries to kill w holy light it could just be Timestop + Transmutation ggs

Voting the elderly pochita fan
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BFR is a valid wincon, I don't see how Adam will get out of it, Power nullification and all. As debated, the only reason why Denji's mouth works as a portal is because the ability came from Pochita who is outside of the world himself, the same as how Aging could project itself into it's world through some kind of bio manip but is powerless if it's inside the world itself.

A power coming from outside the world can affect it, but anything coming from inside it will be completely useless.
 
GunshyFever said:
Doesn't holy light take time to vaporize its victim, aging can activate time stop with a thought which is a counter to Adam's wincon.
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After thinking it over during the day, this wouldn't work since Adam's holy light power nulls on his page so, if it hits, aging can't stop it from vaporizing him
(Still, aging would have let it hit him for this to happen and he can time stop. Not arguing time stop can't happen, just arguing against Aging time stopping when it hits him)
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Aging could try BFR but realistically Adam could get out of it with portals and such

Granted Aging could have the first hit because Adams a bit of an overconfident yapper, so Agings wincons seem to be more likely to happen in character

Granted if Aging BFRS him and it somehow sets bro off or something he may start doing something

But if Adam does come back and tries to kill w holy light it could just be Timestop + Transmutation ggs

Voting the elderly pochita fan
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your vote has finally been cast. sorry for the wait
 
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