[Witch Must Die Edition] - Yu vs Mikey REMATCH

[Viott]

This should be stated in the profiles.

It's already written in J's profile that he has defeated middleweight boxers.

Huh? He's literally looking into the future and still got blitzed. That would go the same way if an anpr user was predicting his movements.

Takemichi isn't as fast as Mikey, so this won't work. Yu can switch to his monster stance and defeat Mikey with a single punch.

 

[Dinozxd]

Dude, if you're talking about Takemichi, then Takemichi isn't even close to being close to comparable to Mikey in stats in any way shape or form, so he wouldn't have been able to dodge anyways. Yu literally is as fast as Mikey and has higher reactions, so he's not going to be able to do that to somehow who can also grow faster.

He outsped his precog though? It doesn't matter how fast you are when you have precog as you always see the attack coming a few seconds beforehand, which means that Takemichi had a few seconds more reaction time to evade Mikey's attack (which is a lot considering the verse is Hypersonic) and still failed to do so after Mikey got faster.

I admittedly missed the Dark Impulse section, but either way, it's still not a good display of AD. Takemichi was slower than him to begin with. Getting fast enough that someone whose slower than him can't beat him with precog isn't impressive.

I already explained this above.

The 4.6 megajoules is only a possibly rating which isn't being used.

I saw some matchups using possibly ratings so i'm not sure abt that. It's also a likely rating not possibly.

This doesn't address the argument either way, getting grazed by someone 9x stronger than you isn't going to do any actual damage, you have to actually directly hit them or else it's just going to brush by, which isn't going to do anything but ruffle Yu's hair.

A graze with a 9x gap wouldn't do anything yeah. It was the 30x difference i was talking about.

Also grazing does make slight contact so a graze with 30x gap would still make the opponent bleed.

The scan of him being able to dodge punches impossible to dodge normally is on there,

I mean the only scan i'm seeing that has "impossible" in it is in his attack redirection justification. Idk if you mean that or not tho.

Yu is cleanly dodging Aaron's punches for an entire fight, but the moment Aaron uses technique, Yu can barely deflect the punches, let alone dodge despite his reactions and predictions, and then immediately afterwards he starts cleanly dodging Aaron's punches again.

Based from the scans it just looks like Yu goes from still being able to react to his punches but not being able to dodge them, to being able to dodge them. Which isn't as big as a jump as being able to blitz people.

It's already written in J's profile that he has defeated middleweight boxers.

Is the guy who performed the 9-A feat a middleweight?

Takemichi isn't as fast as Mikey, so this won't work. Yu can switch to his monster stance and defeat Mikey with a single punch.

I already explained this above. Like i said, it doesn't matter how fast you are with precog, as you'll always have more time to react to your opponent's attack. Boosting ur speed so high to the point where that extra reaction time doesn't even matter anymore is crazy.

 

[Viott]

Is the guy who performed the 9-A feat a middleweight?

Lightweight

I already explained this above. Like i said, it doesn't matter how fast you are with precog, as you'll always have more time to react to your opponent's attack. Boosting ur speed so high to the point where that extra reaction time doesn't even matter anymore is crazy.

After Takemichi deflected Mikey's kick, he punched him before Mikey could throw another one — and Takemichi isn't even as fast as him. Similarly, if Yu dodges Mikey's kick, he can hit Mikey in the balls before Mikey throws another one. Since their speed is equal, Yu can do this more easily than Takemichi did.

 

[AnonymousStandUser]

Lightweight

What ? Who ? The Boxer's only 9-A feat listed is from Viktor, who is cruiserweight

 

[Dinozxd]

Lightweight

i mean this was already proven false by someone who read the boxer.

After Takemichi deflected Mikey's kick,

Takemichi was fully dodging Mikey's kicks, not deflecting them, so that's the first mistake here. Don't try to downplay Takemichi's precognition bro.

he punched him before Mikey could throw another one — and Takemichi isn't even as fast as him. Similarly, if Yu dodges Mikey's kick, he can hit Mikey in the balls before Mikey throws another one. Since their speed is equal, Yu can do this more easily than Takemichi did.

This assumes that the speed difference Mikey and Takemichi stayed the same throughout the fight. It didn't. Mikey used his AD to outspeed his precog.

It also assumes that the speed fifference Mikey and Yu would stay the same through out the fight which is also wrong. At the start of the fight, Mikey will start at his base state, and they'd have equalized speed. In this key, Mikey always activates Dark Impulses at the start of his fights, as he's always bloodlusted. Activating Dark Impulses would make his speed a blitz worth higher, as Hanma was able to react to and block his kick at his base form, but got completely blitzed after he activated Dark Impulses (It would also make his AP go massively higher but he already one shots Yu at his base so whatever). If that's somehow not enough for Mikey to blitz Yu, he can boost his speed a blitz higher than that with his AD. There's just no way for Yu to ultilize his anpr.

 

[Viott]

What ? Who ? The Boxer's only 9-A feat listed is from Viktor, who is cruiserweight

I remembered it wrong. When I reread the chapter, I remembered that he was the World Cruiserweight Champion.

i mean this was already proven false by someone who read the boxer.

J is still 9-A because he endured Yu's punches for 12 rounds.

Don't forget Yu is the heavyweight champion.

This assumes that the speed difference Mikey and Takemichi stayed the same throughout the fight. It didn't. Mikey used his AD to outspeed his precog.

It also assumes that the speed fifference Mikey and Yu would stay the same through out the fight which is also wrong. At the start of the fight, Mikey will start at his base state, and they'd have equalized speed. In this key, Mikey always activates Dark Impulses at the start of his fights, as he's always bloodlusted. Activating Dark Impulses would make his speed a blitz worth higher, as Hanma was able to react to and block his kick at his base form, but got completely blitzed after he activated Dark Impulses (It would also make his AP go massively higher but he already one shots Yu at his base so whatever). If that's somehow not enough for Mikey to blitz Yu, he can boost his speed a blitz higher than that with his AD. There's just no way for Yu to ultilize his anpr.

I’m not assuming that the speed difference between Mikey and Yu stays the same throughout the fight. Even if Mikey’s speed increases, Yu can still dodge his attacks thanks to his ANPR. Dark Impulse Mikey himself said that Takemichi wasn’t fast. Takemichi dodged Mikey’s kick using precognition and was the first to move before Mikey could throw another kick, managing to land a punch. I’m not making this up—Takemichi said it himself. Similarly, Yu can dodge Mikey’s kick thanks to his ANPR and, before Mikey can throw the next one, he can be the first to act and strike Mikey in the groin to win. What I said also applies to Dark Impulse Mikey. Despite the large speed gap between Mikey and Takemichi, Takemichi still managed to land a punch. Yu can do the same and win.

 

[Dinozxd]

J is still 9-A because he endured Yu's punches for 12 rounds.

Don't forget Yu is the heavyweight champion.

I'll let @AnonymousStandUser reply to this as idk the verse very well.

I’m not assuming that the speed difference between Mikey and Yu stays the same throughout the fight. Even if Mikey’s speed increases, Yu can still dodge his attacks thanks to his ANPR. Dark Impulse Mikey himself said that Takemichi wasn’t fast. Takemichi dodged Mikey’s kick using precognition and was the first to move before Mikey could throw another kick, managing to land a punch. I’m not making this up—Takemichi said it himself. Similarly, Yu can dodge Mikey’s kick thanks to his ANPR and, before Mikey can throw the next one, he can be the first to act and strike Mikey in the groin to win. What I said also applies to Dark Impulse Mikey. Despite the large speed gap between Mikey and Takemichi, Takemichi still managed to land a punch. Yu can do the same and win.

The "Takemichi landing a punch before Mikey could throw another one" stuff happened before Mikey boosted his speed with AD. He couldn't do that after Mikey used his AD.

I already pointed out the problem with assuming Yu attacking Mikey's groin.

 

[AnonymousStandUser]

J is still 9-A because he endured Yu's punches for 12 rounds.

Don't forget Yu is the heavyweight champion.

Unless we’re treating 22 y/o Yu as like a composite version of his middleweight and cruiserweight then it kinda makes sense ? Then again just because Yu made J’s forehead bleed shouldn’t mean Yu’s Monster Attack 9-A, it’s like if I chipped a brick from a building with a punch that means I’m building level. Yes, J did catch the punch so if Yu fully punched J in the face it would’ve done a lot more damage that also means Yu is really no where near J at that point. Also Yu’s strength at the end of the series shouldn’t even be close to Viktor’s strength because he’s back to middleweight, even the story makes it apparent that Yu isn’t as physically strong as he was when he was a cruiserweight and heavyweight meaning that the 9-A scaling for J is very shaky and arguably not even 9-A anymore

Tl;dr Yu at the end of the series barely scales Viktor anymore and therefore J shouldn’t scale to Yu

As middle ground, let’s just say that Yu’s Monster Stance can one shot Mikey or at least do significant damage. Then what ? Last time I checked Monster Stance only allows Yu to go in a straight line and is very forward heavy on the leg, God forbid Mikey oblique kicks and destroys Yu’s kneecap

 

[Viott]

The "Takemichi landing a punch before Mikey could throw another one" stuff happened before Mikey boosted his speed with AD. He couldn't do that after Mikey used his AD.

Even before increasing his speed, Mikey was faster than Takemichi. So what I said doesn't change.

I already pointed out the problem with assuming Yu attacking Mikey's groin.

If Yu can't hurt Mikey, he won't hesitate to do it at the end.

Unless we’re treating 22 y/o Yu as like a composite version of his middleweight and cruiserweight then it kinda makes sense ? Then again just because Yu made J’s forehead bleed shouldn’t mean Yu’s Monster Attack 9-A, it’s like if I chipped a brick from a building with a punch that means I’m building level. Yes, J did catch the punch so if Yu fully punched J in the face it would’ve done a lot more damage that also means Yu is really no where near J at that point. Also Yu’s strength at the end of the series shouldn’t even be close to Viktor’s strength because he’s back to middleweight, even the story makes it apparent that Yu isn’t as physically strong as he was when he was a cruiserweight and heavyweight meaning that the 9-A scaling for J is very shaky and arguably not even 9-A anymore

Tl;dr Yu at the end of the series barely scales Viktor anymore and therefore J shouldn’t scale to Yu

As middle ground, let’s just say that Yu’s Monster Stance can one shot Mikey or at least do significant damage. Then what ? Last time I checked Monster Stance only allows Yu to go in a straight line and is very forward heavy on the leg, God forbid Mikey oblique kicks and destroys Yu’s kneecap

Even if some of your points are debatable, this topic is not for correcting profiles. You need to open a CRT for that. You're going off-topic. That's not how things work.

 

[Dinozxd]

As middle ground, let’s just say that Yu’s Monster Stance can one shot Mikey or at least do significant damage. Then what ? Last time I checked Monster Stance only allows Yu to go in a straight line and is very forward heavy on the leg, God forbid Mikey oblique kicks and destroys Yu’s kneecap

I would say Mikey wouldn't really go for an oblique kick, instead he'd go for disarticulation, which would be even worse than an oblique kick as he'd dislocate his limb right away. As far as i'm seeing from his profile he doesn't really have any endurance feats so a dislocated limb would either fully stop him in his tracks or extremely disorient him.

If he doesn't do allat he can just use his acrobatics to jump to safety as the monster stance attack seems to be some kind of all-out attack in a straight line.

 

[Dinozxd]

Even before increasing his speed, Mikey was faster than Takemichi. So what I said doesn't change.

Do you know how precognition works? Even if Mikey is faster than Takemichi, Takemichi still has a lot more time to see the kick coming and dodge the attack.

Think of it like this, Mikey can hit Takemichi in a second, so Takemichi has to react less than that to even react to the kick, but he can't. Instead, he sees the kick coming 3 seconds before, which means that he has 4 seconds to react to and dodge the kick before Mikey lands it. Mikey pretty much boosts his speed to a point where Takemichi can't react to the kick even with his precognition.

If Yu can't hurt Mikey, he won't hesitate to do it at the end.

He has an attack that could hurt him though?

Even if some of your points are debatable, this topic is not for correcting profiles. You need to open a CRT for that. You're going off-topic. That's not how things work.

If the rating of a character is debatable, why is it being used as a wincon? That's just dishonest.

 

[Viott]

Do you know how precognition works? Even if Mikey is faster than Takemichi, Takemichi still has a lot more time to see the kick coming and dodge the attack.

Think of it like this, Mikey can hit Takemichi in a second, so Takemichi has to react less than that to even react to the kick, but he can't. Instead, he sees the kick coming 3 seconds before, which means that he has 4 seconds to react to and dodge the kick before Mikey lands it. Mikey pretty much boosts his speed to a point where Takemichi can't react to the kick even with his precognition.

What I said has nothing to do with that. Before Mikey could throw another kick, Takemichi acted first and punched him.

He has an attack that could hurt him though?

Read this

I’m not assuming that the speed difference between Mikey and Yu stays the same throughout the fight. Even if Mikey’s speed increases, Yu can still dodge his attacks thanks to his ANPR. Dark Impulse Mikey himself said that Takemichi wasn’t fast. Takemichi dodged Mikey’s kick using precognition and was the first to move before Mikey could throw another kick, managing to land a punch. I’m not making this up—Takemichi said it himself. Similarly, Yu can dodge Mikey’s kick thanks to his ANPR and, before Mikey can throw the next one, he can be the first to act and strike Mikey in the groin to win. What I said also applies to Dark Impulse Mikey. Despite the large speed gap between Mikey and Takemichi, Takemichi still managed to land a punch. Yu can do the same and win.

If the rating of a character is debatable, why is it being used as a wincon? That's just dishonest.

CRT exists to change character profiles. If someone disagrees with J being 9-A, they need to create a CRT and get it accepted by the staff. As long as they don’t do that, I’m free to call the character 9-A.

 

[Dinozxd]

What I said has nothing to do with that. Before Mikey could throw another kick, Takemichi acted first and punched him.

And i told you that Mikey's AD has nothing to do with that cuz that was before he used AD bruh.

You can see that after Mikey started getting faster, Takemichi went from being able to dodge Mikey's kicks and counter attacking him to barely blocking hits (the 1st kick after using AD), to then getting blitzed (the 2nd kick after using AD). It doesn't matter if Takemichi's faster than Mikey or not (frankly Yu won't be either after the Dark Impulse amp), his precog got blitzed bruh.

Read this

That has nothing to do with what i said.

CRT exists to change character profiles. If someone disagrees with J being 9-A, they need to create a CRT and get it accepted by the staff. As long as they don’t do that, I’m free to call the character 9-A.

It's not when the tier is debatable?

Mostly when a character's tier is debatable you pause all the active matchups, make the crt, then come back to the active matchups once the debate around the tier is clear.

 

[Viott]

And i told you that Mikey's AD has nothing to do with that cuz that was before he used AD bruh.

You can see that after Mikey started getting faster, Takemichi went from being able to dodge Mikey's kicks and counter attacking him to barely blocking hits (the 1st kick after using AD), to then getting blitzed (the 2nd kick after using AD). It doesn't matter if Takemichi's faster than Mikey or not (frankly Yu won't be either after the Dark Impulse amp), his precog got blitzed bruh.

Mikey was already faster than Takemichi even before entering his Dark Impulse state. Unlike with Yu, their speeds aren’t equal. And when Mikey enters his Dark Impulse form, the speed gap between him and Takemichi increases even more. Despite that, Takemichi still managed to land a punch on him. Yu and Mikey have equal speed. Even if the gap widens when Mikey goes into Dark Impulse, it still won’t be as large as it was with Takemichi. That’s why if Takemichi could land a punch, Yu should be able to as well. I’ve already explained how, so there’s no need for me to repeat it.

That has nothing to do with what i said.

Then you didn’t read it properly.

It's not when the tier is debatable?

Mostly when a character's tier is debatable you pause all the active matchups, make the crt, then come back to the active matchups once the debate around the tier is clear.

This is only valid once you open the CRT.

 

[Dinozxd]

Mikey was already faster than Takemichi even before entering his Dark Impulse state. Unlike with Yu, their speeds aren’t equal. And when Mikey enters his Dark Impulse form, the speed gap between him and Takemichi increases even more. Despite that, Takemichi still managed to land a punch on him. Yu and Mikey have equal speed. Even if the gap widens when Mikey goes into Dark Impulse, it still won’t be as large as it was with Takemichi. That’s why if Takemichi could land a punch, Yu should be able to as well. I’ve already explained how, so there’s no need for me to repeat it.

Are you like, intentionally ignoring what I'm saying?

And i told you that Mikey's AD has nothing to do with that cuz that was before he used AD bruh.

Then you didn’t read it properly.

I asked why Yu would go for the groin even though it should be out of character for him as he's a boxer. That reply has nothing to do with what I said.

This is only valid once you open the CRT.

If something in the profile is wrong, using that as a wincon is literally a waste of time cuz even if Yu wins the matchup, it would be removed after the CRT as it uses a removed wincon.

Though I don't think Yu can even win through that as the monster stance attack seems to be a straight attack with no feints whatsoever. Mikey can dodge that as he would 100 percent be much faster than Yu's combat speed after the Dark Impulse amp.

 

[Viott]

Are you like, intentionally ignoring what I'm saying?

I’m not ignoring what you’re saying, but you either don’t understand or are ignoring what I’m saying. Takemichi used precognition to dodge Mikey’s kick and managed to throw a punch before Mikey could throw another kick. YU can do the same and hit Mikey in the balls, and Mikey won’t be able to get up again. If you think he can get up, then prove it.

I asked why Yu would go for the groin even though it should be out of character for him as he's a boxer. That reply has nothing to do with what I said.

Because he has done it before.
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Yu shows no mercy to his opponents. If his punches can't hurt Mikey, he won't hesitate to do this.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Are TR profiles now allowed to have matchups?

 

[Viott]

I don't know, I think we should ask a staff member.

 

[Dinozxd]

Takemichi used precognition to dodge Mikey’s kick and managed to throw a punch before Mikey could throw another kick. YU can do the same and hit Mikey in the balls, and Mikey won’t be able to get up again. If you think he can get up, then prove it.

Holy shit man. I'm saying this for the last time: Takemichi was able to land a punch on Mikey before Mikey used AD. That's why he was able to counter attack him. After he used AD, he couldn't do that. If you're suggesting that Yu can ko Mikey before he uses AD, that suggestion is still wrong. Mikey would use AD the moment Yu starts dodging Mikey's kicks (which i doubt btw since Mikey would be much faster than him with the DI amp). The first kick after using AD made him go from getting his kicks dodged and getting counter attacked, to making Takemichi barely blocking the kick. The second kick blitzed Takemichi. Assuming the same thing happens in this matchup too (since there's no way Yu's anpr is better than Takemichi's precog) the first kick after the AD would break Yu's arms due to the AP difference, and the second kick would one shot him.

YU can do the same and hit Mikey in the balls, and Mikey won’t be able to get up again. If you think he can get up, then prove it.

Mikey has 12x AP advantage (he scales to 1.84 MJ btw not 1.39 that was before the RC destruction values changed) and really high pain resistance. He's taking that low blow like a champ. I doubt he would even flinch from that.

Because he has done it before.
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Yu shows no mercy to his opponents. If his punches can't hurt Mikey, he won't hesitate to do this.

I can't see that image btw.

Also I'm kinda tired of acting like AD is Mikey's only wincon. Yu has no answer to fear hax. Mikey can just stun him with it and one shot him. Easy peasy.

 

[Zefra3011]

Wait. So Yu's Monster stance scales to 9-A because he damaged J and J scales to 9-A because he blocked Yu's monster stance?

Am i missing something here? Isn't this circular scaling?

No.

Viktor made the 9A feat. Yu 4th key one shotted him with a NORMAL PUNCH, not monster stance. J in durability scales to Yu 4th key normal punches (he never used monster stance in that match iirc). Yu 3rd key monster stance can damage J.

yu 4th key monster stance >>> yu 4th key punches = yu 3rd key monster stance >>> yu 3rd key punches. His monster stance ap just scales to his average ap of the next key.

 

[Dinozxd]

Are TR profiles now allowed to have matchups?

Idk tbh. Maybe ask staff?

 

[Zefra3011]

Are TR profiles now allowed to have matchups?

not that I'm aware. I believe the rule is still up

 

[Dinozxd]

not that I'm aware. I believe the rule is still up

We can maybe pause this thread for now and ask for the rule to be removed maybe? Though idk if mods would remove that rule, ever.

 

[Zefra3011]

We can maybe pause this thread for now and ask for the rule to be removed maybe? Though idk if mods would remove that rule, ever.

I wouldn't mind it being removed. Mikey has a new profile so it'll be cool to use him.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I think the best way to settle this is to compare fights since both characters have fought opponents that have similar abilities and hax.

To start off with Mikey;
Mikey has fought Shuji Hanma, someone who has great kinetic vision which is somewhat comparable to Yu's Perception Manipulation, and blitzed and oneshot him via DI. Mikey has also fought Takemichi who had future sight, which also should be comparable to Yu's Perception Manipulation, and progressively got amped to a point where that ability was rendered mute. The difference is that Mikey hasn't fought anyone that is skilled and/ or layered in abilities like Yu

No, just no, Kinetic vision is being able to see fast stuff without blurs, Perception speed is being able to register stuff coming at you, in Yu's case, he sees the world in slow motion

 

[Viott]

Holy shit man. I'm saying this for the last time: Takemichi was able to land a punch on Mikey before Mikey used AD. That's why he was able to counter attack him. After he used AD, he couldn't do that. If you're suggesting that Yu can ko Mikey before he uses AD, that suggestion is still wrong. Mikey would use AD the moment Yu starts dodging Mikey's kicks (which i doubt btw since Mikey would be much faster than him with the DI amp). The first kick after using AD made him go from getting his kicks dodged and getting counter attacked, to making Takemichi barely blocking the kick. The second kick blitzed Takemichi. Assuming the same thing happens in this matchup too (since there's no way Yu's anpr is better than Takemichi's precog) the first kick after the AD would break Yu's arms due to the AP difference, and the second kick would one shot him.

Oh my God, you really don’t understand what I’m saying. Even before Mikey entered his Dark Impulse state, he was faster than Takemichi. Unlike Yu, their speeds aren’t equal. And when Mikey goes into his Dark Impulse form, the speed gap between him and Takemichi widens even further. Nevertheless, Takemichi still managed to land a punch on him. Yu and Mikey are equal in speed. Even if the speed gap widens when Mikey enters Dark Impulse and starts using AD, it still won’t be as great as it was with Takemichi. So if Takemichi can land a punch, Yu should be able to as well. Thanks to his ANPR, Yu can also dodge Mikey’s kick, be the first to move before Mikey throws the next one, strike Mikey in the groin, and win the match.

Mikey has 12x AP advantage (he scales to 1.84 MJ btw not 1.39 that was before the RC destruction values changed) and really high pain resistance. He's taking that low blow like a champ. I doubt he would even flinch from that.

Mikey's balls are not 1.84 mj.

And even if he endures this pain, his speed decreases and he keeps hitting YU balls.

I can't see that image btw.

see my previous comments.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mikey's balls are not 1.84 mj.

Yeah, i tried this argument on Koji vs UI Daniel, they don't accept this :/

 

[Dinozxd]

Oh my God, you really don’t understand what I’m saying. Even before Mikey entered his Dark Impulse state, he was faster than Takemichi. Unlike Yu, their speeds aren’t equal. And when Mikey goes into his Dark Impulse form, the speed gap between him and Takemichi widens even further. Nevertheless, Takemichi still managed to land a punch on him.

Like I said these have nothing to do with AD as these happened before he used it.

Yu and Mikey are equal in speed. Even if the speed gap widens when Mikey enters Dark Impulse and starts using AD, it still won’t be as great as it was with Takemichi. So if Takemichi can land a punch, Yu should be able to as well. Thanks to his ANPR, Yu can also dodge Mikey’s kick, be the first to move before Mikey throws the next one, strike Mikey in the groin, and win the match.

This suggests that Yu's anpr is better than Takemichi's precog and it's false. His anpr ain't allat, till you can prove he can read an attack of someone who's 2 blitzes above him. Otherwise, Yu has nothing to do aganist a guy who can blitz his reactions, other than upping his speed with his own AD. That still won't work though as one hit from Mikey is enough. It doesn't matter if a character has 20x or 40x speed advantage over the other character, as both of those advantages would probably make the character blitz the other.

In this case, DI Mikey with AD is like 3 blitzes above Takemichi, while he would be 2 blitzes above Yu. That 1 blitz difference isn't gonna make any difference in the fight as Yu has no way of closing that 2 blitz difference anyway.

Mikey's balls are not 1.84 mj.

And even if he endures this pain, his speed decreases and he keeps hitting YU balls.

Oh it's the "Balls are 10-C until proven otherwise" argument all over again. This argument is false until hitting the balls somehow gets accepted as dura neg site-wide.

Also can you re-send the image of Yu going for a low blow on his opponents?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This suggests that Yu's anpr is better than Takemichi's precog and it's false. His anpr ain't allat, till you can prove he can read an attack of someone who's 2 blitzes above him. Otherwise, Yu has nothing to do aganist a guy who can blitz his reactions, other than upping his speed with his own AD. That still won't work though as one hit from Mikey is enough. It doesn't matter if a character has 20x or 40x speed advantage over the other character, as both of those advantages would probably make the character blitz the other.

In this case, DI Mikey with AD is like 3 blitzes above Takemichi, while he would be 2 blitzes above Yu. That 1 blitz difference isn't gonna make any difference in the fight as Yu has no way of closing that 2 blitz difference anyway.

The whole point of ANPR is legit predicting an attack before it happens, speed is irrelevant if you know where the opponent will be

 

[Viott]

This suggests that Yu's anpr is better than Takemichi's precog and it's false. His anpr ain't allat, till you can prove he can read an attack of someone who's 2 blitzes above him. Otherwise, Yu has nothing to do aganist a guy who can blitz his reactions, other than upping his speed with his own AD. That still won't work though as one hit from Mikey is enough. It doesn't matter if a character has 20x or 40x speed advantage over the other character, as both of those advantages would probably make the character blitz the other.

What nonsense are you talking about? Assuming Mikey would immediately use AD the moment Yu starts dodging his kicks is completely ridiculous, because Mikey didn't use AD even though Takemichi dodged his kicks multiple times. He still didn’t use AD even after realizing that Takemichi could see the future. This is a huge advantage for Yu. With his ANPR, Yu can dodge Mikey’s kick, strike him in the groin, and win the fight.
Takemichi used precognition to dodge Mikey’s kick, and before Mikey could throw another, he became the first to move and landed a punch. Even before going into Dark Impulse, Mikey was faster than Takemichi. Unlike Yu, there was a speed gap between them. When Mikey activates Dark Impulse, that gap widens even more — yet Takemichi still managed to land a punch. Yu can do this more easily than Takemichi, because Yu and Mikey start out at equal speed. Even if the gap increases when Mikey enters Dark Impulse, it still won’t be as large as it was between him and Takemichi.

Oh it's the "Balls are 10-C until proven otherwise" argument all over again. This argument is false until hitting the balls somehow gets accepted as dura neg site-wide.

Mikey's balls are weaker than his body. They're not even 9-B. If you think otherwise, prove it.

Also can you re-send the image of Yu going for a low blow on his opponents?

Since you ignored my arguments, it is normal to ask.

 

[First_Witch]

Then again just because Yu made J’s forehead bleed shouldn’t mean Yu’s Monster Attack 9-A, it’s like if I chipped a brick from a building with a punch that means I’m building level.

Thats just wrong. You are not building level for harming a building, you are building level for destroying a building in a single attack. A building level character has the durability equivalent to the energy needed to destroy said building. So yes, drawing blood from a character with building level durability makes you building level.

 

[Dinozxd]

The whole point of ANPR is legit predicting an attack before it happens, speed is irrelevant if you know where the opponent will be

With enough speed difference anpr wouldn't even matter since the character with anpr wouldn't be able to move enough in the timeframe of the other character's attack to dodge a strike even if they see it coming.

What nonsense are you talking about? Assuming Mikey would immediately use AD the moment Yu starts dodging his kicks is completely ridiculous, because Mikey didn't use AD even though Takemichi dodged his kicks multiple times. He still didn’t use AD even after realizing that Takemichi could see the future. This is a huge advantage for Yu. With his ANPR, Yu can dodge Mikey’s kick, strike him in the groin, and win the fight.

This is probably the only good point you made here. Though again you made the assumption that a low blow from someone that scales at least 12x lower than the other character would one shot them.

Also don't forget that 12x is a really big lowball here. Mikey has a likely stat of one shotting a dude who scales to 4.6 MJ, in base form. So to be frank the AP gap is more like 30x+.

Takemichi used precognition to dodge Mikey’s kick, and before Mikey could throw another, he became the first to move and landed a punch. Even before going into Dark Impulse, Mikey was faster than Takemichi. Unlike Yu, there was a speed gap between them. When Mikey activates Dark Impulse, that gap widens even more — yet Takemichi still managed to land a punch. Yu can do this more easily than Takemichi, because Yu and Mikey start out at equal speed. Even if the gap increases when Mikey enters Dark Impulse, it still won’t be as large as it was between him and Takemichi.

This part of the reply seems to just be a copy-paste of the reply before, so I'll do the same:

It doesn't matter if a character has 20x or 40x speed advantage over the other character, as both of those advantages would probably make the character blitz the other.In this case, DI Mikey with AD is like 3 blitzes above Takemichi, while he would be 2 blitzes above Yu. That 1 blitz difference isn't gonna make any difference in the fight as Yu has no way of closing that 2 blitz difference anyway.

Mikey's balls are weaker than Mikey's body, not even 9-B if that's what you think. Prove it.

The thing you're arguing here was already discussed and proven false in this vs thread so I'm not even gonna tire myself with that and argue for it. Also as far as I remember you participated in that thread too so you should know

Since you ignored my arguments, it is normal to ask

I asked because i couldn't see the image you sent buddy. Also don't get me started on ignoring arguments cuz this whole thread has been ignoring the fact that Mikey's fear hax ends this fight in under a minute.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

With enough speed difference anpr wouldn't even matter since the character with anpr wouldn't be able to move enough in the timeframe of the other character's attack to dodge a strike even if they see it coming.

You are dodging an attack seconds before it happens, that's legit how ANPR works

 

[Dinozxd]

You are dodging an attack seconds before it happens, that's legit how ANPR works

Dodging an attack seconds before would literally make you get hit as the other character would just move their attack there? Anpr users dodge the attack as the other character is close to throwing it, not seconds before, unless they're tryna read a bull's attack or something.

If the anpr user is massively slower than the opponent that just doesn't work though.

 

[Zefra3011]

nah, as long as you aim dodge you don't need to scale anywhere near the speed of the attack. You'll feel the speed gap as the fight progress, but as long as you consider individual attacks you can anpr and aim dodge any speed.

 

[Dinozxd]

nah, as long as you aim dodge you don't need to scale anywhere near the speed of the attack. You'll feel the speed gap as the fight progress, but as long as you consider individual attacks you can anpr and aim dodge any speed.

How does that work exactly? Yu still has to travel some distance to dodge the kick in the timeframe of Mikey throwing it. Even if he did actually dodge those kicks like Takemichi was doing (although Takemichi basically had a much better version of precog than Yu does), He'd just get hit after Mikey uses AD, like Takemichi did.

 

[Viott]

With enough speed difference anpr wouldn't even matter since the character with anpr wouldn't be able to move enough in the timeframe of the other character's attack to dodge a strike even if they see it coming.

Everything I've done is a good point, but the same doesn't apply to you. Sorry, my friend.

Also don't forget that 12x is a really big lowball here. Mikey has a likely stat of one shotting a dude who scales to 4.6 MJ, in base form. So to be frank the AP gap is more like 30x+.

You haven't proven that this applies to Mikey's balls.

This part of the reply seems to just be a copy-paste of the reply before, so I'll do the same:

When you do not understand my arguments, I have to repeat them.

The thing you're arguing here was already discussed and proven false in this vs thread so I'm not even gonna tire myself with that and argue for it. Also as far as I remember you participated in that thread too so you should know

First of all, I didn't participate in this thread. And I'm not going to read all 9 pages. Tell me which page you're on.

I asked because i couldn't see the image you sent buddy. Also don't get me started on ignoring arguments cuz this whole thread has been ignoring the fact that Mikey's fear hax ends this fight in under a minute.

Yu also has a fear hax, and Mikey has no resistance to it.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yu also has a fear hax, and Mikey has no resistance to it.

Sorry but i don't think will work on Mikey

Mikey could resist DI which made Kazutora go insane, he also managed to overcome depression by his sister death, i don't think SI of Yu's caliber will work on Mikey

Kanto Manji will not care about it as well

Other than that, i agree with the balls argument fr fr (i used it against Koji vs UI Daniel) lol

 

[Zefra3011]

How does that work exactly? Yu still has to travel some distance to dodge the kick in the timeframe of Mikey throwing it. Even if he did actually dodge those kicks like Takemichi was doing (although Takemichi basically had a much better version of precog than Yu does), He'd just get hit after Mikey uses AD, like Takemichi did.

I mean, do you realized Takemichi was aim dodging (moving before the kick happened) all of Mikey's kicks? Same thing.

But I was talking about general ANPR and AIM dodging. Yu specifically hardly completely aim dodges because he never really needed too. He mostly dodges as soon as the attack starts (when needed), when it barely have any speed. Or, with the same timing, he can interrupt attacks as soon as they start by punching.

There's also a scene where Yu keeps up with attacks he can't react to. They were so fast Yu couldn't move his head away in time. Yet he used his own punch to deflect the opponent's ones. He could percieve them with slow motion though.

Also Yu's slow motion scales magnitudes above any of his other speeds, above monster stance too.

To be fair, Yu would require to move 0,2 m at most to be out Mikey's kick trajectory while Mikey's signature kick requires his leg to move over 2 m... Yu would keep up with him by sheer reaction as long as he can perceive the kicks. Mikey kicks > Yu percieve the attacks after he moves few centimeters > Yu reads the trajectory of the attack > Yu moves enough to be out of it > Mikey misses. Even without ANPR, Yu's slow motion is a big guy to bypass.

Addition:
Honestly while Precognition is better than ANPR for a matter of requiring less intelligence and being, usually, more precise, it doesn't mean that a Precognition user is always better than an ANPR user. There are characters who can outpredict entire danamkus and aim dodging dozen of attacks at the same time with simple ANPR... It's all a matter of skill at the end. The point isn't "precognition vs anpr" but it's the skill of the users.
Between Yu and Takemichi there is an abyss. Takemichi could barely keep up with Mikey and required a lot of time to make up a strategy to hit him, and the strategy itself is a simple counter punch. It's not an impress tactic in The Boxer (even IRL to be honest), it's the first thing Yu does when he wasn't experienced and he even did it more precisely.

 

[Zefra3011]

Everything I've done is a good point, but the same doesn't apply to you. Sorry, my friend.

And this reminds me why TR matches are banned...