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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Adr10K said:
Ben was able to turn into Gravattack when they fought in Plumbers' HQ, so, I don't think that rule lasted that much.
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yeah i realized that when i finished that text then Gravvatack possibly electricity manip too!!!!/j

also why don't we make some matches with this beast 🥶
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Naljian Destructor

The Naljian Destructor is Level 20+ technology that can turn into a robotic version of whatever or whoever it sees. It can even form into one giant combination of everything it has seen. It will do whatever it sees something do. Tier: Unknown, 4-B, Varies, far higher with Power Mimicry Name...
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so currently everybody in the verse is 4B because of this feat

But as we can see in the clip, he destroys the machine which is probably not tier 4B, which makes the use of this calc wrong

Is there any good reason for why this has been applied?
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
so currently everybody in the verse is 4B because of this feat

But as we can see in the clip, he destroys the machine which is probably not tier 4B, which makes the use of this calc wrong

Is there any good reason for why this has been applied?
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Everyone in the verse is 4-B via downscaling from Aggregor who absorbed energy from the portal and could tank the explosion. For consistency; relatively stronger characters can keep up with tier 4 weaponry and can amp other characters to that level.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
so currently everybody in the verse is 4B because of this feat

But as we can see in the clip, he destroys the machine which is probably not tier 4B, which makes the use of this calc wrong

Is there any good reason for why this has been applied?
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Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

Introduction This thread is intended to portray consistent tier 4 feats/statements for Ben's aliens along with establishment of a chain scale that would apply to all the iterations of Ben 10 (except reboot). Tier 4 feat/statement(s) Entropy Pump's DC According to professor paradox, if you start...
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Lort15 said:
😧
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Hellformer said:
4-B physically, 1-B with Chrononavigator
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You’re saying I should change the wording of his second key to this? I don’t mind getting rid of the “at most” for the Chrono Navigator, although I imagine it’s there since Eon doesn’t know how to properly use it. For the “physically” though, I think it’s more accurate to not have it since all of Eon’s own abilities are 4-B while an optional device is the only thing with a different tier. His prime key has the “physically” added on since his physical stats are different from his powers (imo they shouldn’t be but I digress). I feel like I’m being a bit pedantic here, but meh I think the wording is more accurate this way.
 
Lort15 said:
H

He can also absorb regular energy like blasts i remember he absorbed time energy and waybigs cosmic Ray to open the gate
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I’m pretty sure he just tricked Way Big and Ultimate Ben into activating the Hands with their power.
 
Adr10K said:
They didn't activate it tho, Ben said he came from their watches.
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Eon did yeah, but it seems like he used the Hands to free himself from their watches. Paradox says he was using the power of the two Bens to open a breach (said power being directed at the Hands), and when he frees himself we see him by the Hands as it crackles with energy.

It should also be noted that in RAT, Wildmutt is able to destroy the Hands as easily as he did because activating the device causes its defences to drop. In UA a similar thing seems to happen where Jetray is able to easily destroy the Hands at the end, which supports the idea that the Hands was activated by the two Bens.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Also a fun fact, in RAT Eon has a similar energy signature to the Omnitrix. Wonder what this means…

(If the pop-up trivia links are too hard to read, you can find them all on the Ben 10 Wiki at better quality)
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It's likely a leftover from the various earlier versions of the script that had Eon as much more directly connected to the Omnitrix than it ended up being in the final version, such as he literally being a hidden alien that is locked away in the depths of the omnitrix or being literally omnitrix energy given form using Chronian DNA as the basis.
 
Executor_N0 said:
It's likely a leftover from the various earlier versions of the script that had Eon as much more directly connected to the Omnitrix than it ended up being in the final version, such as he literally being a hidden alien that is locked away in the depths of the omnitrix or being literally omnitrix energy given form using Chronian DNA as the basis.
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Oh damn, I didn’t know about this. That actually explains a few weird quirks in the writing like him “intimately” knowing about the Omnitrix and how it works.

Omegabronic said:
added RAT images
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That’s actually super helpful thanks, was dreading doing that part lol
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Oh damn, I didn’t know about this. That actually explains a few weird quirks in the writing like him “intimately” knowing about the Omnitrix and how it works.
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Kuro the Artist bought a lot of early scripts and documentation for the movie that were from someone who worked on it and were sold on E-bay, and did both a video and a live reading of them, and each one of them explained Eon in some different way, but mostly doubling down on the idea that Eon is an omnitrix construct that takes over Ben's body and is in a perpetual cycle until he finally can use it to open the Hands of Armageddon.

So basically the idea was mostly that Eon was always intended to be Ben, or at least, Ben's chronian transformation that is trying to be set free from the omnitrix, although the exact reasoning and method changed depending on the script. The final version kinda of still implies that, but early versions were much more clear and had a lot of plot points that although not used in the movie, still were referenced in a way or another that shows how all over the place the production as and they were working from multiple scripts back to back.


 
Executor_N0 said:
Kuro the Artist bought a lot of early scripts and documentation for the movie that were from someone who worked on it and were sold on E-bay, and did both a video and a live reading of them, and each one of them explained Eon in some different way, but mostly doubling down on the idea that Eon is an omnitrix construct that takes over Ben's body and is in a perpetual cycle until he finally can use it to open the Hands of Armageddon.

So basically the idea was mostly that Eon was always intended to be Ben, or at least, Ben's chronian transformation that is trying to be set free from the omnitrix, although the exact reasoning and method changed depending on the script. The final version kinda of still implies that, but early versions were much more clear and had a lot of plot points that although not used in the movie, still were referenced in a way or another that shows how all over the place the production as and they were working from multiple scripts back to back.


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I’ll have to look more into this tomorrow because it’s late where I’m at, but what you’ve said so far is very interesting and adds a lot of context to weird stuff. Hell, him coming out of the Omnitrix was even kind of referenced in UA.

As an aside, Eon being this sentient transformation that freed himself similar to Zs’skayr is a fun way to combine his two backstories, although I worry that there’s too much contradicting it in RAT’s final product and the main series for it to work as a solid origin.

this character is a mess
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I’ll have to look more into this tomorrow because it’s late where I’m at, but what you’ve said so far is very interesting and adds a lot of context to weird stuff. Hell, him coming out of the Omnitrix was even kind of referenced in UA.
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There are also a bunch of other stuff that surprisingly also connects to UAF that makes you wonder if all came from some reference material. Like, Eon talks that the Omnitrix was originally created as a big data resource for species that went extinct, which is exactly the backstory given in War of the Worlds. And the pop-up trivia even states that Paradox was in charge of stopping some of Eon's early attempts.

All these details really made me more interested in the production of the movie.
 
Executor_N0 said:
There are also a bunch of other stuff that surprisingly also connects to UAF that makes you wonder if all came from some reference material. Like, Eon talks that the Omnitrix was originally created as a big data resource for species that went extinct, which is exactly the backstory given in War of the Worlds. And the pop-up trivia even states that Paradox was in charge of stopping some of Eon's early attempts.

All these details really made me more interested in the production of the movie.
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An extra pop up might get ur attention, do you remember limax? the monsters who captured old people, these guys:


These guys caused a big War in 2017 and because of that Max lost his arm in that fight
 
Lort15 said:
An extra pop up might get ur attention, do you remember limax? the monsters who captured old people, these guys:


These guys caused a big War in 2017 and because of that Max lost his arm in that fight
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man i forgot about those *******
 
So in the episode Ben Again, Eon seemed to not have proper control of the Chrono Navigator and it was gonna take a notable amount of time to properly destroy everything. However his more controlled use of the device caused all the different eras of time to be “anchored” together, and without him to “anchor” them the timelines began “snapping into place”, meaning all the chaos he was causing was directly tied to his power with the Chrono Navigator. Assuming this would give him a proper AP tier and its not just range or hax or whatever, I’ve got a couple thoughts:
  1. Is this more controlled showing limited to just the Prime timeline, or to all timelines? Eon partly wanted the Chrono Navigator to free himself from being trapped in the Prime timeline so it would make sense for it to extend to all timelines, however we only ever see stuff from the Prime timeline so it’s a little iffy.
  2. Maybe a little cheeky here, but is there any way Clockwork’s Time Rays can scale to this? The way Paradox uses the term “anchor”, it sounds like the two Clockworks are basically ripping Eon in half across their two time zones, which might qualify as an AP thing. Eon is shown filling up with a green energy and is also heard being in audible pain, so whatever they’re doing is definitely hurting him. Clockwork already has 5-D range and technically another form of 4-D scaling in Ultimate Ben scaling to near-peak Eon (although Ultimate Ben would be stronger by an unquantifiable degree), so it’s not completely out of the question. Would have to look to see if there are any anti-feats for Clockwork’s Time Rays or see if the Maltruant scaling gets too weird, but it’s an interesting thought nonetheless.
As an aside, the “ripped across time zones” thing for Eon supports some form of Resurrection, and he also survives being completely destroyed in Ultimate Alien.
 
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