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The End of All Illusions 2/2 (Instant Death Cosmology Revision)

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i finally took time to read all of it, my heart wants option 1, but i go with option 3, the possible rating is fine. i just dont know how to feel about infinity aspect, bro cant even give unlimited energy forever to someone is just wild.
 
Frey_Starlight said:
i just dont know how to feel about infinity aspect, bro cant even give unlimited energy forever to someone is just wild.
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Actually, the official translation for that part is shit, it's not just "because it's forever he can't", it's straight up that he can't give infinite energy.
 
Nice job with all of this, better cooked than I expected it to be

About how to take the authors intent on parallel worlds, I'd say option 3 fits, albeit likely more than possibly imo. Though with the Yogiri portion pertaining for the AP on his ability, it -almost- doesn't feel like environmental destruction is being 'the best way to put it overall' but just 'the best way there is to put it out of what can be' if that makes sense, at least because of how it works/can be used, but I -can- say it serves it's purpose.
 
Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
Though with the Yogiri portion pertaining for the AP on his ability, it -almost- doesn't feel like environmental destruction is being 'the best way to put it overall' but just 'the best way there is to put it out of what can be' if that makes sense, at least because of how it works/can be used, but I -can- say it serves it's purpose.
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Yeah, that's a pain in the ass to index. Obviously we cal always go with "well, it's pure AP via Hax" but I'm unsure it would even scale to the cosmology, but at the same time, it kinda would, assuming the whole cosmology want him dead? I'm not sure, it's a specific case and frankly, whatever is fine, I just think the "it destroys/make the object explode" isn't a normal usage of his power.
 
SweetDao said:
Yeah, that's a pain in the ass to index. Obviously we cal always go with "well, it's pure AP via Hax" but I'm unsure it would even scale to the cosmology, but at the same time, it kinda would, assuming the whole cosmology want him dead? I'm not sure, it's a specific case and frankly, whatever is fine, I just think the "it destroys/make the object explode" isn't a normal usage of his power.
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i think it should scale as a possibility because doesn't he fundamentally restricts his own cosmology by being the final barrier of it. so nothing can outclass his powers in his own cosmology
 
Frey_Starlight said:
i think it should scale as a possibility because doesn't he fundamentally restricts his own cosmology by being the final barrier of it. so nothing can outclass his powers in his own cosmology
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Actually, it does exist. Paella is stated to say "**** off" to the laws of the "World" which would retroactively include Yogurt since it seems to fundamentally work the same way.
From the beginning, it was supposed to be impossible to destroy Ishtar’s body itself. The gods were protected by an eternal power. No attack should have been able to inflict even a scratch upon her. Yet, the Great Demon King flatly ignored this fact and delivered her strikes.

“That sort of thing is just a marking. Since the rules only said it ‘cannot be destroyed’, so there’s no need for me to abide by them.”

“It can’t be…… the principles of the ‘world’ are absolute……”

“How should I express it……? It’s impossible for you to beat me so long as you are trapped in that ‘world’. I just don’t think you can win against me, let alone a middle echelon of the Demon World, you know?”

Ishtar became speechless.

All phenomena are shifting on the “world”.

For that reason, if something is recognized by the “world” as constant, there would be no method to reverse it.

Such is the basic premise and the law of the “world”.

Yet this Great Demon King was exercising her impact without the need of going through the “world”.

Ishtar had never seen an existence like her until now. She graciously accepted her defeat.

She could not see any chance of winning. She knew it very well.
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SweetDao said:
Actually, it does exist. Paella is stated to say "**** off" to the laws of the "World" which would retroactively include Yogurt since it seems to fundamentally work the same way.
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I’ll go with option 3. Also, didn't the author say it was up to the reader to decide who was stronger Yogiri or Paella or something like that
 
sukuna171 said:
I’ll go with option 3. Also, didn't the author say it was up to the reader to decide who was stronger Yogiri or Paella or something like that
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More like he never answered directly. He either say "There will be no fight" or "it's already decided in the setting"
 
SweetDao said:
More like he never answered directly. He either say "There will be no fight" or "it's already decided in the setting"
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I still stand by the idea that Yogiri’s ability would work on her, but I guess that’s not the point of the trend.
 
By the way, after thinking it over, I believe option 2 is the most accurate in this case.

Whether time is infinite or not, continuous or not, a higher dimensional space is still above the lower one regardless, so the distinction is basically useless.

I made the stupid mistake of ignoring that obvious detail.

2-B is fine. I don’t think there’s even a need to add a “likely” or a “possibly.”
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
By the way, after thinking it over, I believe option 2 is the most accurate in this case.

Whether time is infinite or not, continuous or not, a higher dimensional space is still above the lower one regardless, so the distinction is basically useless.
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I don't understand what you're saying here, ngl. If Infinity doesn't exist in the verse, higher-dimensional shenanigans kinda just fall apart, no?

Like, based on what I understood, timelines straight up cannot be Low 2-C, since the only reason they are Low 2-C to begin with is due to containing an uncountable amount of snapshots of the universe. If infinity doesn't exist, then there aren't the snapshots aren't infinite either, making the verse peak at 3-A, no?

I don't get where the "higher dimensional space is above, so 2-B" stuff is coming from.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Like, based on what I understood, timelines straight up cannot be Low 2-C, since the only reason they are Low 2-C to begin with is due to containing an uncountable amount of snapshots of the universe. If infinity doesn't exist, then there aren't the snapshots aren't infinite either, making the verse peak at 3-A, no?
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It’s not that simple. Technically, a discrete space-time should fall into a gap between High 3-A and Low 2-C, but that tier doesn’t exist in vsbw and the distinction is totally pointless, tbh.

The point here is that we’re still talking about a four-dimensional construct, even if it’s not continuous in nature. I think the most reasonable thing would be to generalize it as Low 2-C.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
It’s not that simple. Technically, a discrete space-time should fall into a gap between High 3-A and Low 2-C, but that tier doesn’t exist in vsbw and the distinction is totally pointless, tbh.

The point here is that we’re still talking about a four-dimensional construct, even if it’s not continuous in nature. I think the most reasonable thing would be to generalize it as Low 2-C.
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If you define a timeline as just the set of all spatial snapshots, then a discrete timeline is simply space * x-number of snapshots, which is just higher into whatever tier the space is in the first place. In this case, it would be a finite number of finite snapshots, which can never be High 3-A.

And to tell you the truth, if taken very literally, the verse shouldn’t go beyond a 0-dimensional point.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
It’s not that simple. Technically, a discrete space-time should fall into a gap between High 3-A and Low 2-C, but that tier doesn’t exist in vsbw and the distinction is totally pointless, tbh.
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...I don't think so? Like, unless I'm understanding tier 2 wrong, but destroying a portion of a timeline grants High 3-A because of the fact that there'll be an infinite amount of snapshots in whatever you destroy, hence High 3-A.

...But here? Infinity straight up don't exist. Space-Time shenanigans aren't between H3A and L2C, but straight up below H3A.
ExcelsisBerny said:
The point here is that we’re still talking about a four-dimensional construct, even if it’s not continuous in nature. I think the most reasonable thing would be to generalize it as Low 2-C.
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Said four-dimensional construct is impressive and rated as such because of the fact it is continuous, though. If we ignore that, it kinda ain't anything impressive tiering wise.

Though I do understand ignoring the infinity statement, maybe arguing that the author wasn't thinking about it in terms of timeline shenanigans and whatnot, and considering how it talks about Parallel timelines, I kinda get it.

Robo432343 said:
if infinity doesn't exist in the verse at all then possibly 2-B option should not exist
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IIRC that possibly 2-B is just us straight up ignoring the 3-A statement, methink. As in, At least 3-A (Infinity statement accepted), possibly 2-B (Ignoring the infinity statement, ie higher end). Not sure if we accept that kind of rating, but I assumed we do, so eh.
 
Super_Nova said:
If you define a timeline as just the set of all spatial snapshots, then a discrete timeline is simply space * x-number of snapshots, which is just higher into whatever tier the space is in the first place. In this case, it would be a finite number of finite snapshots, which can never be High 3-A.
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Rikimarox2 said:
...I don't think so? Like, unless I'm understanding tier 2 wrong, but destroying a portion of a timeline grants High 3-A because of the fact that there'll be an infinite amount of snapshots in whatever you destroy, hence High 3-A.
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That’s not how it works, you’re committing an oversimplification but I’ll concede that the wiki doesn’t explain it well, and even the staff members agree that the tiers in that range are poorly defined and some standards are outright arbitrary.

Honestly, I’m not invested enough in the verse to push this further. I’ll just leave it out there, do whatever you want with it.
 
i remember i was playing the game and i came across this statement
The canopy separated the world from the infinite space known as the "Sea." With that canopy gone, the rest of the world easily collapsed.
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but then someone grabbed the canopy lol

also technology in the verse is Low 2-C because it says here, "seawater itself is a universally known technology..."
 
Frey_Starlight said:
inb4 all the timeline and infinity talks, that author prob just meant there is no full implementation of cantor's infinity theorem but fkd up explaining.
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I mean, infinite energy doesn't seem possible either tbf. I just think he was like "well, infinity is just when you're too dumb to realize is just very long/big etc"
 
Yeaaaah if the literal God-Tier says it's impossible for him to give anyone infinite power.... For the verse's scaling that's effectively an open and shut case right there. God that is one of the mother of all anti-feats, because it's one you really can't explain away at all. Sheesh.
Cosmology wise I'll wait for more people to comment on, but scaling yeah they all get butchered as a result, so I agree.
 
Gotta love the fact that the infinity statement implies that circles just don’t exist due to pi containing an infinite amount of digits
 
Robo432343 said:
also technology in the verse is Low 2-C because it says here, "seawater itself is a universally known technology..."
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how the hell does this equate to low 2-C. ro
universally known is far from the literal meaning of universe, especially because term universal outside powerscaling brain rot means its usable in all around stuff
 
IDK3465 said:
Gotta love the fact that the infinity statement implies that circles just don’t exist due to pi containing an infinite amount of digits
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Conceptually, they do...
PedjaTarzan said:
how the hell does this equate to low 2-C. ro
universally known is far from the literal meaning of universe, especially because term universal outside powerscaling brain rot means its usable in all around stuff
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He's trolling, don't worry.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Just a small correction MG was not about Manipulating Translations. It was about MTL usage not allowed in wiki. Also Verse is almost back to it's former Glory. I do agree
MG supporters does have some bad reputation for behaviour but let's not group them with people who manipulated scans like other verse supporters.

Anyway neutral for now on this thread. Too much yapp will check this thread out later when I have some time.

Find it funny Instant death scaling is instantly dying. 1-B to 2-B?

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you sure about that 🤨
 
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