Fire Emblem: A few additions for Grima

[Franstel]

Here's a few addition to Grima's profile.
New Profile

Added abilities​

• Mind Manipulation (Was able to control the minds of all Grimleal in Plegia to lead them to the Dragon's Table)
• Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Grima was able to kill Naga despite her ability to passively control the enemy's mind to negate attacks)
• Muliples Selves (Type 2 and 3): After taking over Robin's body, the soul of both Grima and Robin cohabit within the same body. And altough Robin's soul is mostly dormant, if Grima is significantly weakened, they can partially take the control back to infere with Grima's actions.
• Hive Mind (Type 1): Grima possess two bodies, his draconic body and the Hierophant.
• Necromancy: Grima's magic can make the dead come back to life as Risens, those that are wounded by Risens often also became Risens.
• Regeneration (Low-Godly, Even after having been fully destroyed by Alm with the only thing left being fool air and a sense of dread, by the heroes next visit to the boss room the Creation will be back, he would also later get out of the labyrinth before being sealed by the first exalt)

That last point is probably the most controversial of the CRT so I'll add a bit to it. We can see that after the fight, nothing his left of Grima's body and the arena is empty aside from Alm so returning from that state should varant a low godly rating, it is also supported by the Valentia Accordion guidebook who state that Grima disappear after his defeat. And return he do, since each time you return to the end of the dungeon he will be there and available for a rematch (see end of page). He also later come back to face the First Exalt. It also link back to Naga's claim about how Grima cannot be destroyed by anyone but himself, others only being able to put him back to sleep for a few millenias.

Changed Abilities​

• His large size type 3 will be downgraded from 979800m to 508236.194665 Meters since I just couldn't figure out where that value came from so I'll replace it with a value that was calced.
• His soul absorption will be changed to life absorption since the justifications straight up said that it's the life force that is drained not the soul.
• Counter will be changed from Damage Reflection to damage Transferal.
• His homing attack will be changed to:
  • Possibly Homing Attack or Probability Manipulation (His attacks will always hit his target via Hawkeye)

as the game is unclear about how his ability works. In gameplay the ability just set the chance of the attacks landing at 100% regardless of the hit and avoid rate without showing any attack homing on their target. However "Ensures every attack hits." is extremily vague so it should be better to left this ability as a possibly.

Other changes to his profile​

• I added a bunch of justifications and scans to his profile. I also changed his stamina rating from High to Superhuman and removed "Can battle Alm and his party for a long period of time" that is never stated and has no basis.
• I removed two weaknesses:
  • Can Time Travel but it cost him much of his strength to do so. Grima already lost his time travel in a former CRT but I forgot to remove it.
  • Weak to Dragon Slaying swords like the Falchion to some degree. Dragon slaying swords are effective toward dragons it's a property of the blades not a weakness for the Dragons.
• Added the Risen's Ap to his profile

Other unrelated changes​

• Adding that scan as a justifications to Tiki's and Naga's mind manipulation that is currently scanless.
• Changing Robin's resistance to BFR to Dimensional Travel as they did got BFR, they just came back from it.
• Granting Seidr deconstruction for deconstructing Gullveig into gold particles.
• The Risens can fight against the main cast of SoV who were previously upgraded to 7-B so they should also be upgraded to 7-B. As a result those that scale to Risens are also upgraded to 7-B (the awakening cast and Fates cast via Severa, Inigo and Owain).
• The Risens will gain transmutation since those that are wounded by Risens often also became Risens.

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, KobsterHope07 (With a non combat applicable note for the regeneration and full rating for minor Probability Manipulation), HoodedEnigma (Agree with most and a full rating for Probabillity Manipulation), JustSomeWeirdo (Agree with most and a full rating for Probabillity Manipulation),
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

All looks good to me.

 

[KobsterHope07]

This looks good.

I will note that the regeneration is Non-Combat Applicable as it take a while for it to happen

Honestly, I would go for the Probability Manipulation instead of Homing Attack aspect due to the existence of skills that lower or raise the probability of hitting a target in the entire series, and with Hawkeye just being that one skill that raise the possibility to 100% always

EDIT:

It would be Minor Probability Manipulation

 

[Franstel]

I will note that the regeneration is Non-Combat Applicable as it take a while for it to happen

It's the case for his resurection but his regeneration seem to take much less time, it's not instant that's for sure but were not given a proper timeframe, the only indication we have is that by the next visit he is back, if you want (and left your sanity on the 8 and 9th basement's random encounter) you can clear the labyrinth anew right after leaving it.

Honestly, I would go for the Probability Manipulation instead of Homing Attack aspect due to the existence of skills that lower or raise the probability of hitting a target, and with Hawkeye just raising that possibility to 100% always

Fair but considering it's quite vague I prefered to left it as a possibly just in case

 

[HoodedEnigma]

Personally, I lean towards it being probability manipulation since it functions for non-ranged attacks, and there's no precedent to my knowledge that implies attacks can actually home in. I agree with everything here, but while we are doing Grima adjustments, can I suggest some things I've been meaning to bring up when the topic arose?

Multiple Selves [1, 2, and 3]: Robin has 2 souls, his and Grima's, and we know based on Future Past that his personality still exists inside Grima even after he takes over deep down, which is why it's listed in his weaknesses. Additionally, Grima is physically 2 separate entities at once: Robin's hierophant body and the dragon body.

Necromancy: While Grima has Resurrection, he can also bring people back as undead Risen. Unfortunately, I don't recall if it was said in Awakening itself that he can make them. I could have sworn Lucina mentioned him turning the people he killed into them, but I don't recall where, so if anyone recalls, that'd be helpful. But for the time being I'll use the Fallen Chrom Heroes Forging Bond clip, which takes place before either Chrom or Grima were summoned to Askr and Chrom mentioning that Risen can no longer trouble the world when Grima was defeated, implying he was creating them.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Necromancy: While Grima has Resurrection, he can also bring people back as undead Risen. Unfortunately, I don't recall if it was said in Awakening itself that he can make them. I could have sworn Lucina mentioned him turning the people he killed into them, but I don't recall where, so if anyone recalls, that'd be helpful. But for the time being I'll use the Fallen Chrom Heroes Forging Bond clip, which takes place before either Chrom or Grima were summoned to Askr and Chrom mentioning that Risen can no longer trouble the world when Grima was defeated, implying he was creating them.

Inigo stated that the dead becomes Risen and Brady stated that the wounded often turn into Risens likely due to being harmed by Risen

 

[HoodedEnigma]

While I know Risen can create more of themselves like this, I could have sworn there was a statement somewhere about him being able to make them as well. If I recall correctly, in that DLC it's said those Risen were created by magic, and I thought there were other similar statements about Grima being able to create them, so I believe it's possible to flat-out make them, though in lieu of side-tracking this too much, I guess I'll leave that be until I can find more scans.

Edit: Wait, I found the scan. The art book had also contained a glossary on page 214.

 

[Franstel]

I'll add both to the OP, so reformuling them a bit:

Multiple Selves [1, 2, and 3]: Robin has 2 souls, his and Grima's, and we know based on Future Past that his personality still exists inside Grima even after he takes over deep down, which is why it's listed in his weaknesses. Additionally, Grima is physically 2 separate entities at once: Robin's hierophant body and the dragon body.

Muliples Selves (Type 2 and 3): After taking over Robin's body, the soul of both Grima and Robin cohabit within the same body. And altough Robin's soul is mostly dormant, if Grima is significantly weakened, they can partially take the control back to infere with Grima's actions.

It doesn't really qualify for type 1. As for the second part it's more Multilocation than Multiple Selves so it'll be like:
Multilocation (Type 2): Grima possess two bodies, his draconic body and the Hierophant.

Necromancy: While Grima has Resurrection, he can also bring people back as undead Risen. Unfortunately, I don't recall if it was said in Awakening itself that he can make them. I could have sworn Lucina mentioned him turning the people he killed into them, but I don't recall where, so if anyone recalls, that'd be helpful. But for the time being I'll use the Fallen Chrom Heroes Forging Bond clip, which takes place before either Chrom or Grima were summoned to Askr and Chrom mentioning that Risen can no longer trouble the world when Grima was defeated, implying he was creating them.

Necromancy: Grima's magic can make the dead come back to life as Risens, those that are wounded by Risens often also became Risens.

That last point can also justify transmutation for the risens.

 

[Franstel]

All looks good to me.

Do you agree with what have been added ?

 

[HoodedEnigma]

Thanks, I'll be honest, I've never seen the term "multilocation" before on any profile and assumed multiple bodies was part of "multiple selves."

 

[KobsterHope07]

Thanks, I'll be honest, I've never seen the term "multilocation" before on any profile and assumed multiple bodies was part of "multiple selves."

No that is Hive Mind if it is talking about multiple bodies and one consciousness shared between all of them

Hive Mind

Hive Mind is the ability to share one mind or consciousness between multiple bodies or vessels. Unlike characters with Multiple Selves, characters with Hive Mind have the exact opposite trait. Where Multiple Selves is the ability to have multiple consciousnesses within a single vessel, Hive Mind...

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[Franstel]

No that is Hive Mind if it is talking about multiple bodies and one consciousness shared between all of them

Hive Mind

Hive Mind is the ability to share one mind or consciousness between multiple bodies or vessels. Unlike characters with Multiple Selves, characters with Hive Mind have the exact opposite trait. Where Multiple Selves is the ability to have multiple consciousnesses within a single vessel, Hive Mind...

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Ah ok thanks I'll change it

 

[KobsterHope07]

Oh yeah, in regards to justifications for Grima’s Extrasensory Perception and Non-Physical Interaction.

They can be replaced with these justifications from an accepted CRT

"I Challenge My Fate" CRT

Simply doing a redux of Lucina, specifically her Power and Abilities, Stamina, Equipment, Intelligence and Notable Attacks and Techniques Here is the Sandbox https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:KobsterHope07/FEAwakening Changes I did: The Old Profile only put in skills for Lucina's Lord's...

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EDIT:

Just noticed the justification in the sandbox so just ignore this

 

[Franstel]

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[JustSomeWeirdo]

I agree and Hawkeye would be Probability Manipulation rather than Homing Attack

 

[KobsterHope07]

Looming over the profile, I believe the Resistance to Attack Reflection via Dragonskin should be changed to Damage Transferal as Counter does not reflect attack back, but make it so the enemy experience the same damage they inflicted

Counter

Counter is a skill that debuted in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. In Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, Counter has an activation rate based on the user's Skill stat. If it activates, it will inflict half the damage the user received back at the attacker, but only if they share the same range...

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looming over the profile, I believe the Resistance to Attack Reflection via Dragonskin should be changed to Damage Transferal as Counter does not reflect attack back, but make it so the enemy experience the same damage they inflicted

Counter

Counter is a skill that debuted in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. In Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, Counter has an activation rate based on the user's Skill stat. If it activates, it will inflict half the damage the user received back at the attacker, but only if they share the same range...

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Seems reasonable.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I agree

 

[Franstel]

I'll add it to the OP
With two staff votes grace has begun