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Yes, the title of the novel sounds like slop, but it's a webnovel so it makes sense.
This thread is made for the discussion of anything related to the novel: Extra's Death: I am the Son of Hades, whether it be about feats, the plot, characters, art, etc... In other words, just talk about whatever as long as the novel is related to it.
(Yes, it might likely be AI slop, but the title looks cool as shit, so I'm keeping it)
Been recommended this novel quite a while ago, and decided to read it recently to pass time while I was sick and letting go of Second Life Ranker and JFDE for a while and trying something new. And I gotta say, it is pretty darn good ngl. I might sound like a madman, but it's similar to other fast-food-like novels, but this one is like, the way better fast-food restaurants but still considered fast-food (Ie Sharwma Shops, compared to like, normal fast-foods like McDonald and other stuff). In other words, it's pretty damn good for slop.
Especially love how the Elemental Shit is just, wack as hell in the series. There is a Time Elemental introduced later on, and you'd think it starts with something simple at the beginning, like you know, maybe acceleration, time stop, deceleration, all that kinda jazz, right? Well, no, actually, because for some reason these mfs straight up go to the past just to redo an exam, and it's treated like it's a normal thing. Very fun.
I've reached about chap 170~ or so, a bit after he reached the Mythic Grade (For reference, the first Grade/Rank/Realm is Awakened, and Mythic is right after that). I have no fking clue why the mc took 165 chaps, but they were really entertaining ngl.
As for in terms of powers and stuff, they're honestly pretty good (bit vague in the AP and Speed department since the destruction feats don't have measurements unfortunately), with shit like imposing the concept of death, bypassing regen that lets someone regenerate from their soul/spirit, killing individual body parts, possibly Mid-Godly regen (a bit eh), absorption that absorbs souls and can even negate the regen of others, causing them to be unable to be regenerated (even those who have had their bodies destroyed), and a **** ton of aura/presence shit (my favorite). And this is all in the first realm.
The story is nuts with abilities ngl, and it's really fun. Reminds me a bit of JFDE with how the abilities are just varied a lot. So nice.
I have a notion profile/pdf, among other things thanks to bookfusion, but it's a bit annoying to read ngl, and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post pdfs/markups/html here, so meh.
Here's a sandbox of the Neo Awakened Realm key. It's still empty, with mostly the PnA being done (And even that has some errors and some dubious stuff, such as the self-sustenance, the resurrection neg, resistance to all his abilities, etc...), and still not sure how to rate concepts except for Type 3 for now. Though everything else in that is currently empty should be easy to add, albeit the AP and speed might be a bit low at the start.
I'm pretty much caught up, it's been slow on recent chapter updates since author has been updating 2 other novels that basically take place in the future to this one.
The jumps in power are so ******* funny though you can get a dry spell with no feats but MC later casually mentions that he could casually destroy a planet with his current strength or some shit like that. The hax get super busted too.
I do wonder, I assume Seed of Existence would be enough as a fundamental aspect of someone, besides the soul, right? Considering the various statements of "Core of One's existence", "Having the core destroyed makes one unable to be revived, even if Hades tried", etc... So I think that's some pretty easy Mid-Godly res/regen for Neo even in his Mythic Realm stage. Tho I'm still unsure on how to index Mind shenanigans, and whether it is the same as soul or nah.
That said, I'm still unsure on how to index [Eternal] skill, considering it's just 40~% reduction, but that shit works against everything so I doubt it's just resistance. Then there's the whole "Growing older = stronger resistance" shenanigans, with Neo having lived for an eternity, so his mind resistance is gonna go nuts. Not to mention, this might make it so that everyone and their mother has resistance to a bunch of things just due to their age, by default. So peak.
Currently reached Ch. 300~ and as it stands, majority of the stuff seems to be in the tier 6-5 range, since the Angel took quite a while to even do much destruction. Though the feat of Neo erasing the ******* Sun spirit is quite weird.
This MF was actively destroying the world and talking shit about how strong he was, took one look at the Underworld and just went "Ayo my bad" and stopped.
The Father of Anomalies, once proud and defiant, now spoke with humility.
Living in the Underworld had opened his eyes.
In the abyss where countless monsters capable of destroying the earth roamed freely, Typhaon had been forced to confront his own insignificance.
Once, he had thought himself peerless; now, he knew better.
The Underworld had humbled him.
Its so weird seeing the Angel and Typhaon destroy the world and be such a threat, just to learn that the mfs in the Underworld could yeet the earth with a flick of a finger. Damn.
Then mf Daniel saying he could also probably destroy the earth in a single punch. Wtf happened
I do wonder, I assume Seed of Existence would be enough as a fundamental aspect of someone, besides the soul, right? Considering the various statements of "Core of One's existence", "Having the core destroyed makes one unable to be revived, even if Hades tried", etc... So I think that's some pretty easy Mid-Godly res/regen for Neo even in his Mythic Realm stage. Tho I'm still unsure on how to index Mind shenanigans, and whether it is the same as soul or nah.
That said, I'm still unsure on how to index [Eternal] skill, considering it's just 40~% reduction, but that shit works against everything so I doubt it's just resistance. Then there's the whole "Growing older = stronger resistance" shenanigans, with Neo having lived for an eternity, so his mind resistance is gonna go nuts. Not to mention, this might make it so that everyone and their mother has resistance to a bunch of things just due to their age, by default. So peak.
Currently reached Ch. 300~ and as it stands, majority of the stuff seems to be in the tier 6-5 range, since the Angel took quite a while to even do much destruction. Though the feat of Neo erasing the ******* Sun spirit is quite weird.
Its really wild how some of the abilities work in-verse, especially the whole Concept shenanigans. Like, I think they are maybe Concept Type 3, or maybe its just a naming thing, but man was it nuts to see Neo just ******* go to an alternate future and merge it via ******* teleporting to a shadow there.
As of right now, Info Type 2 shenanigans are in, and a lot of Time, Space, Higher-D stuff. Tho the whole energy types and elements are weird, since iirc, once someone reaches a Stage 7, they can make their concept/energy type an actual Element, and it'll be a Law iirc (which... is Concept Manip, I'm pretty sure). Tho what would one index elementals in general as?
Its really wild how some of the abilities work in-verse, especially the whole Concept shenanigans. Like, I think they are maybe Concept Type 3, or maybe its just a naming thing, but man was it nuts to see Neo just ******* go to an alternate future and merge it via ******* teleporting to a shadow there.
As of right now, Info Type 2 shenanigans are in, and a lot of Time, Space, Higher-D stuff. Tho the whole energy types and elements are weird, since iirc, once someone reaches a Stage 7, they can make their concept/energy type an actual Element, and it'll be a Law iirc (which... is Concept Manip, I'm pretty sure). Tho what would one index elementals in general as?
Its really wild how some of the abilities work in-verse, especially the whole Concept shenanigans. Like, I think they are maybe Concept Type 3, or maybe its just a naming thing, but man was it nuts to see Neo just ******* go to an alternate future and merge it via ******* teleporting to a shadow there.
As of right now, Info Type 2 shenanigans are in, and a lot of Time, Space, Higher-D stuff. Tho the whole energy types and elements are weird, since iirc, once someone reaches a Stage 7, they can make their concept/energy type an actual Element, and it'll be a Law iirc (which... is Concept Manip, I'm pretty sure). Tho what would one index elementals in general as?
"I cannot say that," the demon shook his head. "When one becomes a Supreme, they merge with an element. They shed their individuality—their identity as 'I'—and become an entity that is now 'We'." The Concept of 'I' and 'We' was simple. Supremes were the Elements themselves. When new Gods reached Stage 7, they would merge with the element. These Gods would lose their sense of self and become one with the Element (Supreme). Since Supremes were amalgamations of many, they were what was called the Concept of 'We'. This was something that every God would become part of, whether they created a new element, or evolved the existing element. The only exceptions were Heavenbreakers. They grew by themselves and their own powers. Their Consciousness was so strong that it became energy, and it could bend the rules of reality. They embodied the Concept of 'I'. As in, they maintained their sense of self no matter how strong they became, unlike Supremes whose personality and sense of self would change depending on who they merged with.
Currently at Ch. 536. The verse is kinda ***** ngl. Like, Neo has multiple abilities that can erase people from the timeline, which I assume would be like, history erasure. But then the whole Ouroborus guys arrived (ie the guys who erased Tartarus, and everyone connected to him, from the timeline), and that shit was so much more powerful than Neo's erasure and even Neo was surprised by how everyone was removed. Then again, they even erased the memories of the god damn elementals (Which would include time elementals), so eh, I doubt it's normal erasure. It also kinda implies a Hypertimeline, if we assume Neo's Cosmos was a different space-time (which seems to be the case), and it was affected it too.
I'm also wondering what to index Concepts as. Like, Law Manipulation is guaranteed, since it was stated concepts manipulate the laws of reality, and probably CM3. But I'm wondering if it transforms to CM2 or 1 at any point? Due to the whole Sanctuary/Domain/World shenanigans, and how one's concepts are applied there, I was thinking if CM2 is possible or nah.
Also my god, the amount of time fuckery this series has is insane.
Currently at Ch. 536. The verse is kinda ***** ngl. Like, Neo has multiple abilities that can erase people from the timeline, which I assume would be like, history erasure. But then the whole Ouroborus guys arrived (ie the guys who erased Tartarus, and everyone connected to him, from the timeline), and that shit was so much more powerful than Neo's erasure and even Neo was surprised by how everyone was removed. Then again, they even erased the memories of the god damn elementals (Which would include time elementals), so eh, I doubt it's normal erasure. It also kinda implies a Hypertimeline, if we assume Neo's Cosmos was a different space-time (which seems to be the case), and it was affected it too.
I'm also wondering what to index Concepts as. Like, Law Manipulation is guaranteed, since it was stated concepts manipulate the laws of reality, and probably CM3. But I'm wondering if it transforms to CM2 or 1 at any point? Due to the whole Sanctuary/Domain/World shenanigans, and how one's concepts are applied there, I was thinking if CM2 is possible or nah.
Also my god, the amount of time fuckery this series has is insane.
Is it even 1-B? I'm still at like, 550~ so there might be more stuff later, but as of right now, the higher-dimensional stuff seems very weird. Such as how every world has its own higher dimension (with earth being time???), other worlds being light, etc... and how they are insignificant in size (maybe). Though considering how it talked about the first three dimensions, and movement and shenanigans, and even how when one goes through those dimensions, they synchronize with them so they seem fine, makes me think that it might be possible.
Oh and, not to mention the whole eldritch shenanigans. Being of "impossible angles and shapes", "moving in a direction that doesn't exist", etc...
The verse is haxxy as shit, though. Oh and, layers exist in the verse (and pretty high too after Paragon), then there's the whole "the closer you are to an aura, the stronger it becomes" or "higher range = stronger" which, if any of the hax is 1-B, then it would be actual smurf if they can condense it. I also think, if Elements are considered CM, then maybe Type 1 is possible (I think I've seen evidence suggesting it, but I gotta recheck later).
Is it even 1-B? I'm still at like, 550~ so there might be more stuff later, but as of right now, the higher-dimensional stuff seems very weird. Such as how every world has its own higher dimension (with earth being time???), other worlds being light, etc... and how they are insignificant in size (maybe). Though considering how it talked about the first three dimensions, and movement and shenanigans, and even how when one goes through those dimensions, they synchronize with them so they seem fine, makes me think that it might be possible.
Oh and, not to mention the whole eldritch shenanigans. Being of "impossible angles and shapes", "moving in a direction that doesn't exist", etc...
The verse is haxxy as shit, though. Oh and, layers exist in the verse (and pretty high too after Paragon), then there's the whole "the closer you are to an aura, the stronger it becomes" or "higher range = stronger" which, if any of the hax is 1-B, then it would be actual smurf if they can condense it. I also think, if Elements are considered CM, then maybe Type 1 is possible (I think I've seen evidence suggesting it, but I gotta recheck later).
They're considered spatial and 1-B is supported by there being countless different dimensions and the Gap is described as having countless layers of existence.
Is it even 1-B? I'm still at like, 550~ so there might be more stuff later, but as of right now, the higher-dimensional stuff seems very weird. Such as how every world has its own higher dimension (with earth being time???), other worlds being light, etc... and how they are insignificant in size (maybe). Though considering how it talked about the first three dimensions, and movement and shenanigans, and even how when one goes through those dimensions, they synchronize with them so they seem fine, makes me think that it might be possible.
It's less that these dimensions are limited to the planets, but more like planets choose which dimensions they take. All these dimensions are just explicitly stated to exist all around them but are just imperceptible as they are not native to those higher dimensional axes. The planets themselves wouldn't be any higher tier as they'd be insignificantly sized but the actual Gap would be 1-B since its infinite in size and is what refers to the countless dimensions.
Don't we need to prove higher dimensions are infinitely superior to the lower ones, or have the standards changed such that as long as they are spatial, and considered higher, then it's enough?
In that case, I do wonder since Neo only uses it to basically teleport (and teleport attacks too), would he have smurf range or nah, considering he's basically just teleporting?
Don't we need to prove higher dimensions are infinitely superior to the lower ones, or have the standards changed such that as long as they are spatial, and considered higher, then it's enough?
In that case, I do wonder since Neo only uses it to basically teleport (and teleport attacks too), would he have smurf range or nah, considering he's basically just teleporting?
So peak In that case, for scaling, I'd assume 7th stage beings scale to the 1-B shenanigans, no? Since if they are considered Spatial, and considering how Elements are brought to existence and became a universal law when a being becomes 7th stage, I'd assume the same applies to Space (Unless later on it shows Space Supreme is smth else)
So peak In that case, for scaling, I'd assume 7th stage beings scale to the 1-B shenanigans, no? Since if they are considered Spatial, and considering how Elements are brought to existence and became a universal law when a being becomes 7th stage, I'd assume the same applies to Space (Unless later on it shows Space Supreme is smth else)
Time for slop. Posting this in case anyone wants to see Neo's page, but I've finished with the Awakened key, and almost finished the Mythic Rank key (Done the abilities, and AP, altho it'll likely be solid 7-B), tho I just focused on abilities and AP since everything else is a bit vague and I don't have feats for them.
I think I have a few errors here and there (and some questionable stuff indexed, since idk if some abilities qualify or not), but this is what Mythic Realm Neo would mostly look like.
Can't wait to index Stage-3 Neo and be slowly lobotimized as I try to index all his BS shenanigans along with 20^2000 ******* speed amp that he has.
Anomaly #33, the Hanged King dude. Imma be honest, I have no clue what I should do for the AP and Speed section, and whether they are correct. But, at least I think the PnA is good for now.
Obviously missing a few things, such as the resistances to everything (Though that'd come later when I finish Neo's page), and I'd imagine Divine Energy by itself had quite a lot of uses, but meh.
Honestly, I think I could probably post it soon as long as I get through how strong it should be physically, though I think I might need to calculate Neo's building destruction feat (altho it is kind of, well, one of the most blatant 8-A feats, but eh). Problem is that, well, this mf is just a rope physically.
Also, IF Neo's mind resistance gets accepted as Infinite potency, then Stage-2 and above are gonna have nuts af potency.
Anomaly #33, the Hanged King dude. Imma be honest, I have no clue what I should do for the AP and Speed section, and whether they are correct. But, at least I think the PnA is good for now.
Obviously missing a few things, such as the resistances to everything (Though that'd come later when I finish Neo's page), and I'd imagine Divine Energy by itself had quite a lot of uses, but meh.
Honestly, I think I could probably post it soon as long as I get through how strong it should be physically, though I think I might need to calculate Neo's building destruction feat (altho it is kind of, well, one of the most blatant 8-A feats, but eh). Problem is that, well, this mf is just a rope physically.
Also, IF Neo's mind resistance gets accepted as Infinite potency, then Stage-2 and above are gonna have nuts af potency.
Some layering and resistance shenanigans. Still extremely WIP, and a bit wanked, but meh. Unsure about Paragon Rank and below, however, I do geniunely believe that, at the very least, Stage-2 and above has to have layers between the subgrades. Stage-4 levels also kinda make sense, considering how a level-2 god just shrugged Neo's Death Sword, and was able to keep up with his time shenanigans, and Neo, when achieving level 2, slaughtered 500 level 1s which he previously struggled with.
Nevermind the fact that Neo got like, hundreds of thousands of times stronger in everything, and he was just like, what, 1 subgrade higher?
Also, the element resistance is gonna be a pain. I'm unsure how to index them, though I think the basic stuff are fine (ie, resistance to fire, water, air, etc... manip due to resisting those corresponding elements), but I wonder if that would include Reality Warping shenanigans as well since Weapon element is still a thing.
For baseline resistances, I don't think I'll include any ability that is Expert stage or above, so mostly just Apprentince and below ranked abilities will be indexed as resistances, mostly because Expert stuff is kind of high-level and where stuff gets serious, and even Necromancer, the dude who lived for centuries, only shown to be able to resist apprentince stuff and no Expert stuff yet. So, eh.
Finally, the time has come. This thread is mostly meant to show the current sandbox for the Protagonist of the novel "Extra's Death". There has been a CRT for the verse previously, which is this one. It talked mostly about establishing some things about the verse before I index it, such as the...
Made a shitty discord with pretty much nothing rn except for the PDF of the Notion stuff I indexed. Missing a lot of stuff and Paragon realm and above are a bit screwed, but meh.
Neo (MC), when confronted with the Elementals who can shift into higher dimensions, talks about the difference between the 2D and 3D, and talks about how if someone drew two cubes on a paper, one wouldn't be able to tell apart the distance between them since Depth doesn't exist in the 2nd Dimension.
Air Elementals words reminded him of something.
The difference between two-dimensional objects and three-dimensional objects.
If you drew two squares on a paper, you wouldn't be able to tell which square was nearer to you and which was farther away.
It was because the concept of 'depth' didn't exist in 2D.
But if you placed two 'cubes' in front of you, you could instantly tell which one was closer and which one was farther.
'Even if you can't notice the extra dimensions, they still exists.'
'How about we teach you a method to access them?'
This is further elaborated on when the Air Elementals shifted out of the current plane, with Neo saying that it was the same with a 2D being unable to see depth, with it being directly stated that they were moving in a "higher-dimensional space"
Neo narrowed his eyes, focusing on the tiny, pale-green motes that seemed frozen in mid-air.
It took time to understand what was happening.
The Air Elementals hadn't stopped moving.
They were moving, but in a higher-dimensional space.
It was similar to drawing a square on paper.
If that paper moved inward or outward in a direction perpendicular to the plane (inwards or outwards), the change would be invisible to a 2D perspective.
'Depth' didn't exist there.
Same was happening between Neo and Air Elementals.
He strained his Intent Vision to track them.
It was only barely, but Neo could see them moving.
Their paths seemed nonsensical, slipping in and out of his perception as if the paths were changing each moment.
This is, again, shown when Neo's hand slipped into a higher dimension, with it being stated that he seems normal to ordinary people, but his hand slipped into a higher dimensional space that no one else could perceive.
The words of Air Elementals were cut short as Neo suddenly moved his hand in a way that felt… strange.
His hand hadn't moved at all from the perspective of a normal person observing him.
But the Air Elementals saw it—his hand had shifted, not within the familiar four-and-a-half dimension space but into the higher-dimensional realm.
It was as if an empty space had emerged.
He slid his hand into the space that no one else could perceive.
And furthermore, when Neo slipped into the "Gap" (Which are higher dimensions that ordinary people cannot perceive), it was stated that Neo was slipping through/past countlesslayers of Existence. This, I believe, not only shows that they are "spatial", but that there exists a countless amount of them. Not only, but it also mentions that the Gap is "Infinite" in terms of size.
It felt as if he had 'slipped' into the empty space, not walked into it.
The feeling was similar to the 'shift' one felt when teleporting, but it lacked the clean fluidity he was used to.
Instead, it felt chaotic.
The world around him turned dark. It wasn't the darkness of night, but an oppressive, infinite void. His body felt weightless, as though he were phasing through countless layers of existence, each pulling him deeper into the Gap.
'Hehehehe, you should anchor yourself to a dimension!'
The voices Air Elementals' of echoed.
Their laughter bounced through the endless expanse.
'If you keep falling into the Gap, no one knows where you will end!'
Neo's face froze as the realization dawned.
'So that's why they were teaching me so happily! These *******!'
It has been mentioned again that the Gap is endless in size
Its weight of existence seemed to crush the fabric of reality itself.
The Gap of Dimension where Neo and A #22 stood began to fracture, and cracks formed in the endless void.
Neo stopped delaying his death.
And again it was called an Endless Expanse, further cementing that point...
The voices Air Elementals' of echoed.
Their laughter bounced through the endless expanse.
'If you keep falling into the Gap, no one knows where you will end!'
Now, usually, a lower dimensional being shouldn't be able to do shit in a higher dimensional one, but the verse has a unique solution to this. Neo directly states how he could interact and reach higher dimensions if he couldn't perceive it? And the answer was that when he goes into a higher dimension, his frequency is adjusted to that dimension, but in turn, he won't be able to go back to his world since the frequencies are different now
'Gap is what people refer to as dimensions that exist on different, or higher, frequencies.'
'Most people remain unaware of these dimensions and can never interact with them.'
'By having Space Affinity, one gains the ability to perceive the Gap and manipulate it.'
As they spoke, some of the Elementals drifted toward Kane, circling him.
'Unlike them, you and this child don't have Space Affinity.'
'You can neither perceive the Gap nor manipulate it.'
Neo frowned slightly, recalling something.
"Wait a second, I was able to see the other dimensions when I fell through the Gap. How could I do it if I couldn't perceive the higher dimensions?"
'When you enter another dimension, your frequency is adjusted to match it.'
'That was why you were able to perceive the worlds when you entered them. In exchange, you couldn't perceive your original world since your frequency had changed.'
Overall, with all of the above, although it is a bit weird, I propose at least "Hyperversal Range", which would include his "Gap" ability, ie he can attack from higher dimensions/different dimensions. Additionally, obviously, this makes the Cosmology 1-B in size, and all Supreme Beings, who are the Concepts themselves, will have 1-B AP due to being equal to beings who created those dimensions.
Oh and, giving "Extraordinary Perception (Normal beings in the verse could perceive 4 and a half dimensions).
Neo Half-Ascension Key
This one is easy. I kinda wanted it to add to a different thread, but this is so simple and only a few abilities are added, that I think I can just put it here.
If this is too much to evaluate, I don't mind putting it in another thread.
Tl;DR
Higher dimensions exist, were called Space and layers of existence, with there being countless amount of them, and with it being mentioned it being like the difference between 2nd and 3rd dimensions. Also Neo new profile lmao.
Thinking about it,both Shadow Harrison and shadow Lucas had very clear mhs+ speed feats
Thunder summoned eletricity from the sky so ít probably counts as real lighting considering the fact its literally called thunder lol.this would probably upscale the speed of the verse by alot
Unfortunately, I have been very, very busy. I have a notion list if you want that has a lot of feats listed (not all of it). I can give it to u if you want
Unfortunately, I have been very, very busy. I have a notion list if you want that has a lot of feats listed (not all of it). I can give it to u if you want
Even though they are the lowest ranking they still have alot of abilities such as
Power modification:can turn non elemental divine energy into elemental divine energy
Limited power nullification:via elemental interference
Healing:can heal themselves by absorving divine energy
Etc etc etc
In that case, for scaling, I'd assume 7th stage beings scale to the 1-B shenanigans, no? Since if they are considered Spatial, and considering how Elements are brought to existence and became a universal law when a being becomes 7th stage, I'd assume the same applies to Space (Unless later on it shows Space Supreme is smth else)
i'm on the part Leonora died on the Shadow world
