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Sukuna vs Pochita (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs Chainsaw Man) [14-10-0] - GRACE

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“Sometimes a deal with the devil is better than no deal at all”

I think I can finally do this, now.

Full Power Sukuna vs Part 1 Pochita
Both are High 7-C
Speed Equalised
SBA
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As Above...​
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First thing's first Heat resistance means Pochita's casually surviving in Divine Flames with zero issues.

Pretty sure Sukuna jobs the fight and gets bisected by a Pochita who's ****ing around.
 
I'm sure with SBA and all, Pochita will be dashing straight for Sukuna and aiming for the head and by all means, he can put some serious pressure on Sukuna. Considering his multiple limbs with chainsaws, which can slice through Sukuna like butter (considering it can slice through himself like butter) if he manages to grab hold of Sukuna with his chains, it's completely over for Sukuna as there's no way to compensate for that level of LS difference.

While it may seem advantageous for Pochita, Sukuna's Shrine technique can just as easily hand Pochita's ass to him. The invisible slashes which Pochita can't perceive, can slice straight through his body and will be a major problem. If Sukuna can keep up with the Shrine attacks, he might be able to force Pochita to regenerate repeatedly until he runs low on blood.

The thing is though, Pochita isn't stupid. He’s tactical and knows how to handle pressure. He’s used to taking heat from multiple opponents, even dozens at once (the majority being superior to him as well). His hypermobility and speed help him dodge Sukuna's attacks and he can also use the environment to his advantage, swinging across buildings with his chains to gain momentum and increase speed.

Ultimately, it all comes down to whether Pochita can bite Sukuna's head off because that's all it takes to secure a victory and erase Sukuna from existence. Alternatively, even eating parts of his body could weaken him significantly.
 
Regardless, Pochita is never one to stay in place, he's constantly flash stepping and rapidly increasing his speed while simultaneously looking for openings. The idea of Sukuna "range f*cking" Pochita is unlikely, given Pochita's extreme mobility and acrobatics. I don’t believe Sukuna would survive an up close encounter with Pochita, but I’m open to arguments when it comes to ranged combat and what Sukuna could do to hinder Pochita from a distance.
 
O shit this is back

Sukuna's got danmaku fuckery to begin which may be annoying as I dont think that Pochita's senses are strong enough to see them. I do think that Pochita may get Sukuna to lock in because the devils durable enough to handle basic slashes like its nothing so I dont Sukuna would job as hard. I'd think Pochita being in the same league as Sukuna would have him lock in more because Pochita's like that

Now additionally in range Sukuna does have Kamutoke which will help him alot since its kind of like lightning Iirc (doesnt mean shit outside of doing electricity damage) but Sukuna should have the skill advantage (Pochita's no slouch but Sukuna is a Genius in combat) and with him using Shrine to make mini chainsaws to deal with bladed weapons He may have a comfortable shot despite how insane Pochita is
 
Additionally WCS and possible soul manipulation should help a good bit as while WCS is a big attack, soul manip should help in dealing against Pochita since it has no resistance to those attacks

Imo I got my vote for Sukuna high to extreme diff (I think he has a big enough kit to handle Pochita, though to say that He wont have lots of trouble would be a lie)
 
also I forgot Sukuna has pseudo flight so its deadass pochita webslinging around vs Sukuna blasting himself at high speeds which is cool
 
GunshyFever said:
If Pochita is skilled enough to do mid-air 360 spin kicks while impaled, I'm sure he won't have much difficulty dodging those slashes.
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Issue is that Pochita doesnt have a good idea on how to look at the slashes since they have layered invisibility (1 layer but a layers a layer)

also Sukuna clears in H2H but Pochita is pretty good in battle iq, just not skilled enough and the slashes will take a bit before pochita processes why he cant see them
 
Robo432343 said:
that skill feat has literally nothing to do with dodging invisible layered slashes
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Bimbitesthedust said:
Issue is that Pochita doesnt have a good idea on how to look at the slashes since they have layered invisibility (1 layer but a layers a layer)

also Sukuna clears in H2H but Pochita is pretty good in battle iq, just not skilled enough and the slashes will take a bit before pochita processes why he cant see them
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Yeah, I know about the invisible slashes. I already mentioned that they'd be a nuisance to Pochita, but his fighting style serves him well in this situation.

In h2h combat, I don't really think Sukuna is superior. He's a genius, but not necessarily a genius combatant. In that regard, I'd say both the quantity and even the quality of feats favor Pochita. Cqc with Pochita is no safe haven for Sukuna either, as it's something Pochita excels at due to his abilities and experience.

With 4 table sized chainsaws that can cut through Sukuna like butter and potentially bisect him if Pochita gets close enough, H2H is not something Sukuna would want to prioritize here. And yeah, it's a reasonable point when considering Pochita's analysis in relation to the slashes.

Does anyone know Sukuna's in character battle tactics and mannerisms?
 
GunshyFever said:
Yeah, I know about the invisible slashes. I already mentioned that they'd be a nuisance to Pochita, but his fighting style serves him well in this situation.

In h2h combat, I don't really think Sukuna is superior. He's a genius, but not necessarily a genius combatant. In that regard, I'd say both the quantity and even the quality of feats favor Pochita. Cqc with Pochita is no safe haven for Sukuna either, as it's something Pochita excels at due to his abilities and experience.

With 4 table sized chainsaws that can cut through Sukuna like butter and potentially bisect him if Pochita gets close enough, H2H is not something Sukuna would want to prioritize here. And yeah, it's a reasonable point when considering Pochita's analysis in relation to the slashes.

Does anyone know Sukuna's in character battle tactics and mannerisms?
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Sukuna generally goes for h2h and often accompanies him his shrine ability. Generally he dances around in most fights like Jogo and Mahoraga for example though with tougher opponents he is more curious and tries to see what his opponents can do like with Gojo and Yorozu, however in the case of yorozu and gojo he was pretty defensive due to the ten shadows ability.

Sukuna does have four arms aswell and he has been shown as stated before to make a layer of slashes to deal with bladed weapons so I dont think its an instant win for cqc in pochitas favor. Pochita is more akin to a slasher monster, a jason if you will as while Pochita is no slouch and has been shown really good battle iq feats, his h2h is not something I would say is crazy as Sukuna has fought characters (albeit lost in that regard) in h2h like Gojo who is a very good combatant in styles like Wing Chun

in this case Sukuna is gonna be the more aggressive of the two but he is more curious than pochita so he will dabble in things such as range and while he wouldnt instantly use WCS it is there in case he needs distance (Granted requires hand signs so its hard to pull off)

That is my take on this department
 
additionally I know the gap is small but Sukuna does hold a 1.28x advantage in AP and gets higher via domain, etc

and there is damage reduction alongside pain and curse manipulation in the CE page so Sukuna has alot to work with
 
Additionally I would like to ask for opinions

with Sukuna likely being stoked to fight someone on par as him physically atleast and with crazy regen how likely do yall think Black Flash is in this fight? in moments where he gets really hyped he can pull Black Flashes like crazy
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
also looking at this source for sukuna and pochita art? shit goes so hard
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I've already listed all the artist in the alt text of the images but if you can't check that then:
All of them make banger art so I def recommend supporting them!
 
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Am I missing something? Why has no one mentioned Sukuna opening his domain yet. Via SBA and Sukuna knowing Pochita is a threat to him, he should start with it relatively early if not right away.

Not only will this result in Pochita being bombarded with slashes constantly, which will hinder his ability to pursue Sukuna but also eventually exhaust his limited regeneration supply. It also counters Pochita's hypermobility since MS turns everything in the area to dust and Pochita's hypermobility comes from the fact he can use his chainsaws to grapple onto surfaces. Pochita being able to maneuver in the air and do 360 kicks is cool and all but it won't help him dodge attacks he cannot see or sense at all, these things have huge AoE too so even if Pochita dodges he has to move a large distance.

Sukuna pressures Pochita within MS, he could likely just stand in the middle and wait for Pochita to die tbh, but he could also apply pressure himself by going to H2H where he's very capable. Also won't Sukuna have access to the ten shadows still here? That's how it's worded in the profiles, and that adds a whole lot more options for Sukuna.

Here's the AoE of an unchanted dismantle from Sukuna
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Bimbitesthedust said:
Additionally I would like to ask for opinions

with Sukuna likely being stoked to fight someone on par as him physically atleast and with crazy regen how likely do yall think Black Flash is in this fight? in moments where he gets really hyped he can pull Black Flashes like crazy
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That depends on if you believe the fight will be prolonged.
Razor said:
Am I missing something? Why has no one mentioned Sukuna opening his domain yet. Via SBA and Sukuna knowing Pochita is a threat to him, he should start with it relatively early if not right away.

Not only will this result in Pochita being bombarded with slashes constantly, which will hinder his ability to pursue Sukuna but also eventually exhaust his limited regeneration supply. It also counters Pochita's hypermobility since MS turns everything in the area to dust and Pochita's hypermobility comes from the fact he can use his chainsaws to grapple onto surfaces. Pochita being able to maneuver in the air and do 360 kicks is cool and all but it won't help him dodge attacks he cannot see or sense at all, these things have huge AoE too so even if Pochita dodges he has to move a large distance.

Sukuna pressures Pochita within MS, he could likely just stand in the middle and wait for Pochita to die tbh, but he could also apply pressure himself by going to H2H where he's very capable. Also won't Sukuna have access to the ten shadows still here? That's how it's worded in the profiles, and that adds a whole lot more options for Sukuna.
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Via SBA, the fight starts at a distance of 4 km, so that's not likely to happen. Also, when has Sukuna ever started a fight with his domain right away? Like, ever? He would never do that in character. At most he would see the opponents potential first, especially considering he knows nothing about Pochita in general when the fight begins.

MS is viable, yes, but Pochita can always halt his regeneration until he appears defeated or disheveled to Sukuna. Once the domain ends, he can catch Sukuna off guard. He's at a massive disadvantage within the domain, but that doesn't mean he can't fool his way out of it, especially considering what he's learned from Denji.
 
GunshyFever said:
That depends on if you believe the fight will be prolonged.

Via SBA, the fight starts at a distance of 4 km, so that's not likely to happen. Also, when has Sukuna ever started a fight with his domain right away? Like, ever? He would never do that in character. At most he would see the opponents potential first, especially considering he knows nothing about Pochita in general when the fight begins.

MS is viable, yes, but Pochita can always halt his regeneration until he appears defeated or disheveled to Sukuna. Once the domain ends, he can catch Sukuna off guard. He's at a massive disadvantage within the domain, but that doesn't mean he can't fool his way out of it, especially considering what he's learned from Denji.
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He popped domain 1 chapter after his fight against Gojo started. He may not use it instantly but he'll use it relatively early.

-Why would Sukuna drop his domain without Pochita being reduced to nothing? That is a massively uncharacteristic risk for Sukuna to take
-Sukuna can open and reopen his domain multiple times (3 times before burnout iirc, could be more).
-When has Pochita deployed this tactic?
 
Razor said:
He popped domain 1 chapter after his fight against Gojo started. He may not use it instantly but he'll use it relatively early.

-Why would Sukuna drop his domain without Pochita being reduced to nothing? That is a massively uncharacteristic risk for Sukuna to take
-Sukuna can open and reopen his domain multiple times (3 times before burnout iirc, could be more).
-When has Pochita deployed this tactic?
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There is a difference here. I don't think I need to explain why Sukuna would choose to open his domain against Gojo, considering Gojo's status at the time. In Pochita's case, Sukuna doesn't even know who he is or what he's capable of, it's essentially the Mahoraga fight all over again. It's flawed to assume that Sukuna would open his domain against someone he knows nothing about. Even with Mahoraga, the fight continued for a while before Sukuna decided that opening his domain was the best course of action. If Pochita's blades land on Sukuna (which they will), they will undoubtedly bisect him.

Regarding your points:
  • You underestimate how cocky Sukuna is. Look at what he did to Gojo when he won his first domain clash, yet Gojo was still able to fight back despite being bombarded with all those attacks. Pochita is quite frankly doing the same thing here.
  • The entire point is that Sukuna will be caught off guard. There won’t be a second or third chance.
  • Pochita is able to perceive the world through Denji after their fusion and possesses knowledge of Denji’s experiences and strategies. I believe you're already aware of these tactics, as they’re detailed in the intelligence feats section of Denji’s profile. What belongs to Denji is also part of Pochita’s toolkit.
 
GunshyFever said:
There is a difference here. I don't think I need to explain why Sukuna would choose to open his domain against Gojo, considering Gojo's status at the time. In Pochita's case, Sukuna doesn't even know who he is or what he's capable of, it's essentially the Mahoraga fight all over again. It's flawed to assume that Sukuna would open his domain against someone he knows nothing about. Even with Mahoraga, the fight continued for a while before Sukuna decided that opening his domain was the best course of action. If Pochita's blades land on Sukuna (which they will), they will undoubtedly bisect him.

Regarding your points:
  • You underestimate how cocky Sukuna is. Look at what he did to Gojo when he won his first domain clash, yet Gojo was still able to fight back despite being bombarded with all those attacks. Pochita is quite frankly doing the same thing here.
  • The entire point is that Sukuna will be caught off guard. There won’t be a second or third chance.
  • Pochita is able to perceive the world through Denji after their fusion and possesses knowledge of Denji’s experiences and strategies. I believe you're already aware of these tactics, as they’re detailed in the intelligence feats section of Denji’s profile. What belongs to Denji is also part of Pochita’s toolkit.
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Via SBA he knows Pochita is a life-ending threat to him, if he also decides to go H2H with Pochita he'd know how strong he is. Sukuna was intentionally gauging Mahoraga's strength since he's planning on taking him. He's not doing the same here.

-What did he do? I don't remember Gojo acting injured and Sukuna casting down his domain as a result. Like that is such a stupid move, if Sukuna is "cocky" (Which he isn't even, he's just genuinely that much stronger than everybody else) then he won't open domain at all. If he's already at a point where he uses domain he's gonna make sure it does something.
-Pochita would one shot Sukuna right after being brought to 1 HP? How? Does he get a boost after he regenerates? Are you implying Sukuna would approach him then get blindsided? Sukuna has one of the best BIQ in the entire verse, why would he do all these things you're claiming he will?
-I'm aware, I just don't remember this tactic being used. Is it when Denji blindsided Makima? Wasn't that when Denji couldn't be detected by Makima cause Makima didn't bother to or something? It isn't the same as the tactic you're implying Pochita would use here. Also this doesn't mean Pochita's intelligence is equal to Denji, it just means he's seen the things denji has, just clarifying that.

Anyway I haven't even gone through the other stuff beyond MS. Rabbit escape is a reliable tool to just get away from Pochita, Pochita is ****** once Mahoraga adapts to chainsaws, and Agito is always helpful. He has kamutoke for long range lightning attacks on top of his slashes. Four arms means he can chant and do whatever with his two free hands at the same time. He can create miniature slashes to block pochita's slashes if they DO get close, and just so many options, meanwhile all Pochita could do is slash and hope he lands a hit.

Sukuna is far more versatile, has better stats, and has better BIQ. I don't see how Pochtia wins this.
 
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sukuna shit stomps with prior knowledge or not being up his own ass, but he's kind of stupid so he might let pochita CQC him even tho all he has a bunch of free win options so idk
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Sukuna's got danmaku fuckery to begin which may be annoying as I dont think that Pochita's senses are strong enough to see them. I do think that Pochita may get Sukuna to lock in because the devils durable enough to handle basic slashes like its nothing so I dont Sukuna would job as hard. I'd think Pochita being in the same league as Sukuna would have him lock in more because Pochita's like that
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If Pochita is even mildly interesting Sukuna will begin to job.
Bimbitesthedust said:
Now additionally in range Sukuna does have Kamutoke which will help him alot since its kind of like lightning Iirc (doesnt mean shit outside of doing electricity damage) but Sukuna should have the skill advantage (Pochita's no slouch but Sukuna is a Genius in combat) and with him using Shrine to make mini chainsaws to deal with bladed weapons He may have a comfortable shot despite how insane Pochita is
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Sukuna is a Genius when it comes to Jujutsu Sorcery, not combat.

Razor said:
Am I missing something? Why has no one mentioned Sukuna opening his domain yet. Via SBA and Sukuna knowing Pochita is a threat to him, he should start with it relatively early if not right away.
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Sukuna has never used Domain Expansion at the literal start of a fight.

Razor said:
Not only will this result in Pochita being bombarded with slashes constantly, which will hinder his ability to pursue Sukuna but also eventually exhaust his limited regeneration supply. It also counters Pochita's hypermobility since MS turns everything in the area to dust and Pochita's hypermobility comes from the fact he can use his chainsaws to grapple onto surfaces. Pochita being able to maneuver in the air and do 360 kicks is cool and all but it won't help him dodge attacks he cannot see or sense at all, these things have huge AoE too so even if Pochita dodges he has to move a large distance.
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It's been proven with Satoru that durability can survive MS. Plus Regeneration means Pochita is surviving MS quite handily.
Razor said:
Sukuna pressures Pochita within MS, he could likely just stand in the middle and wait for Pochita to die tbh, but he could also apply pressure himself by going to H2H where he's very capable. Also won't Sukuna have access to the ten shadows still here? That's how it's worded in the profiles, and that adds a whole lot more options for Sukuna.
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Pochita ain't dying when he has Immo Type 4 and Regeneration.
Razor said:
Here's the AoE of an unchanted dismantle from Sukuna
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That's cute. Here's a regular attack from Pochita:
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Catbowtie said:
If Pochita is even mildly interesting Sukuna will begin to job.

Sukuna is a Genius when it comes to Jujutsu Sorcery, not combat.


Sukuna has never used Domain Expansion at the literal start of a fight.


It's been proven with Satoru that durability can survive MS. Plus Regeneration means Pochita is surviving MS quite handily.

Pochita ain't dying when he has Immo Type 4 and Regeneration.

That's cute. Here's a regular attack from Pochita:
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Again, he used 1 chapter after his fight against Gojo started. And again, I said he may not use it instantly but relatively early on.

Yeah for like a few seconds? Gojo just had to crank RCT at full volume and even then he had to use simple domain periodically otherwise he would've gotten overwhelmed. Pochita's regen is limited and won't last long without something like simple domain to alleviate pressure from MS. Gojo also outstats Sukuna, opposite is true here.

Type 4 isn't combat applicable and his regen is limited.

Uh whats the point here? I genuinely don't know. This is also not a single attack from Pochita, this was Pochita ramming into someone. Sukuna punching Yuji at 15 fingers worth of strength did the same.
 
Also do you guys really think its asking a lot out of Sukuna to not go into CQC with a devil with literal chainsaws for limbs? Especially when via SBA he knows that said guy has the capacity to kill him?

Like I get that Sukuna can be prideful, but he's not braindead lol
 
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