God of war Yggdrasil DownGrade

[Boblox1111]

Hello!

I believe the yggdrasil tree Should Be Downgraded From 5D

I have made up reasons and conclusions that could support a downgrading of Yggdrasil, so let's begin with it.


So first, Yggdrasil Transcending Space And Time Is A Vague statement, why? That Is Basically According To The FAQ page "Transcending Space And Time" is a vague statement and to further prove This, "transcending" means "Above" and since it means that, we can say that Yggdrasil is just above our Universe Actually have superiority transcendence over Space And time.

Furthermore Yggdrasil is NOT Infinite And if anyone tries to imply that, they are mostly using the novel scan which Does not make up that its infinite, that's because the yggdrasil tree is Infinite in kratos's perspective. Not actually infinite

And the statement is kinda vague like "transcending space,transcending time" it's kinda of a vague statement. A "transcends space and time" or "transcendence over Space And time" is more believeable.

Conclusion:

The yggdrasil does not show superiority over space and time, it's just above the universe.

 

[Planck69]

Looks like it's the annual nonsensical Yggdrasil downgrade. Right when I get off of my break from here, at that. Now I've half a mind to just dismiss this entirely, given you've apparently "made up" the argument with the intent to downgrade the verse, but I might as well address it.

1. Yggdrasil holds the entirety of the Nine Realms on its branches. It being "above" "the universe" physically doesn't make any sense.

2. Yggdrasil's statement of "transcending space and time" isn't the basis of it being Tier 1. So more than half of this thread is arguing against something that we do not accept anyways.

3. You assert that Yggdrasil is not infinite with essentially no proof whatsoever, merely citing that the narrator statement is somehow purely Kratos's perspective.

I obviously disagree with this thread. And honestly, I'd support a discussion rule on this specific topic, we've done this far too many times.

 

[Theglassman12]

Disagree with the thread. Literally just tackling arguments we don’t even use for Yggdrasil like the transcending space and time line and making assumptions on the narrator statements.

 

[KLOL506]

@Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist @Maverick_Zero_X @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkDragonMedeus @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Catzlaflame @UchihaSlayer96 @Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027 Your input here would be appreciated.

 

[Robo432343]

@Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist @Maverick_Zero_X @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkDragonMedeus @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Catzlaflame @UchihaSlayer96 @Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027 Your input here would be appreciated.

Why would you waste their time with this thread it should just be closed

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Looks like it's the annual nonsensical Yggdrasil downgrade. Right when I get off of my break from here, at that. Now I've half a mind to just dismiss this entirely, given you've apparently "made up" the argument with the intent to downgrade the verse, but I might as well address it.

1. Yggdrasil holds the entirety of the Nine Realms on its branches. It being "above" "the universe" physically doesn't make any sense.

2. Yggdrasil's statement of "transcending space and time" isn't the basis of it being Tier 1. So more than half of this thread is arguing against something that we do not accept anyways.

3. You assert that Yggdrasil is not infinite with essentially no proof whatsoever, merely citing that the narrator statement is somehow purely Kratos's perspective.

I obviously disagree with this thread. And honestly, I'd support a discussion rule on this specific topic, we've done this far too many times.

I think discussion rule as a response would be pretty excessive and I don’t think this should contribute as the OP is pretty misinformed on what the arguments actually are and doesn’t address them. So creating a discussion rule barring downgrades on a basis of someone not even addressing the actual arguments would be pretty improper.

 

[Theglassman12]

He literally said that the discussion rule should be in place because this topic has been talked to death numerous times by now. Which we can have as a discussion rule if it’s numerous threads of making the same arguments that’s been debunked over and over again.

 

[KLOL506]

TBF that'll require a decent amount of admin approval so let's wait and see what they say.

 

[Planck69]

I think discussion rule as a response would be pretty excessive and I don’t think this should contribute as the OP is pretty misinformed on what the arguments actually are and doesn’t address them. So creating a discussion rule barring downgrades on a basis of someone not even addressing the actual arguments would be pretty improper.

This is close to the 10th thread on the exact same topic. I've said as much in my first post on the last similar attempt. It eventually just gets to a point that everything about the topic has been exhausted to death.

Regardless, KLOL is right that we'd have to wait and see on it.

 

[Elizhaa]

I also disagree, from the opposition's reasoning. I support a discussion rule at this point.

 

[Mythic381]

By any chance, did you read the tier 1 justifications for Yggdrasil instead of just making a CRT and assuming them?

So first, Yggdrasil Transcending Space And Time Is A Vague statement, why? That Is Basically According To The FAQ page "Transcending Space And Time" is a vague statement and to further prove This, "transcending" means "Above" and since it means that, we can say that Yggdrasil is just above our Universe Actually have superiority transcendence over Space And time.

The argument isn't even the basis for 5D Yggdrasil, you should check this and this. For summary though, the realms are separate spacetimes that all exist within the same space, and the length of the branches being infinite would make it 5-dimensional, since basically a space needs to be 5-dimensional if it holds more than one 4-dimensional constructs so that they don't intersect.

Furthermore Yggdrasil is NOT Infinite And if anyone tries to imply that, they are mostly using the novel scan which Does not make up that its infinite, that's because the yggdrasil tree is Infinite in kratos's perspective. Not actually infinite

This isn't really proof.

So yeah, I disagree.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Planck

 

[Boblox1111]

By any chance, did you read the tier 1 justifications for Yggdrasil instead of just making a CRT and assuming them?

The argument isn't even the basis for 5D Yggdrasil, you should check this and this. For summary though, the realms are separate spacetimes that all exist within the same space, and the length of the branches being infinite would make it 5-dimensional, since basically a space needs to be 5-dimensional if it holds more than one 4-dimensional constructs so that they don't intersect.

This isn't really proof.

So yeah, I disagree.

I never saw those arguments since i didn't find them, despite being a god of war debunker.

 

[Boblox1111]

Looks like it's the annual nonsensical Yggdrasil downgrade. Right when I get off of my break from here, at that. Now I've half a mind to just dismiss this entirely, given you've apparently "made up" the argument with the intent to downgrade the verse, but I might as well address it.

1. Yggdrasil holds the entirety of the Nine Realms on its branches. It being "above" "the universe" physically doesn't make any sense.

2. Yggdrasil's statement of "transcending space and time" isn't the basis of it being Tier 1. So more than half of this thread is arguing against something that we do not accept anyways.

3. You assert that Yggdrasil is not infinite with essentially no proof whatsoever, merely citing that the narrator statement is somehow purely Kratos's perspective.

I obviously disagree with this thread. And honestly, I'd support a discussion rule on this specific topic, we've done this far too many times.

For the "not being infinite" Yggdrasil itself matches the size of a giant, and No im not using the artificial representation to prove that, I'm using a specific cutscene that says that the giants destorying a branch of the tree is a Prophecy and to further prove Ratasok Himself Has Said That If The Tree Grows Too Large Then it will collapse the dead branches please go to timestamp "12:42" and Ratasok does not talk about the artificial representation, we can prove this by saying how he said "the branches will risk falling and collapsing, which is not ideal since they hold the Realms" he mentions branches that hold the realms, which clearly proves that he is referring to the real Yggdrasil tree.


Proof it's a prophecy:

Please go to 42 timestamp

 

[Mythic381]

I never saw those arguments since i didn't find them, despite being a god of war debunker.

You can check the two links I sent.

Also if you checked Yggdrasil's VSBW page you'd see:

Attack Potency: Low Complex Multiverse level (It is the entity upon which all of the Nordic world and its mythology depends, with all of creation resting atop its branches. Its life energy is interwoven into the tapestry of life, birth, growth, death, and rebirth, with every one of its strands transcending time and transcending space, including the Realm Between Realms, which was manifested from the Yggdrasil's branches and is a higher-dimensional void that encompasses the parallel dimensions of the Nine Realms)

Specifically the bold part, it redirects to the cosmology page that explains it.

 

[KLOL506]

For the "not being infinite" Yggdrasil itself matches the size of a giant, and No im not using the artificial representation to prove that, I'm using a specific cutscene that says that the giants destorying a branch of the tree is a Prophecy

This is not evidence against the infinite Yggdrasil.

and to further prove Ratasok Himself Has Said That If The Tree Grows Too Large Then it will collapse the dead branches please go to timestamp "12:42" and Ratasok does not talk about the artificial representation, we can prove this by saying how he said "the branches will risk falling and collapsing, which is not ideal since they hold the Realms" he mentions branches that hold the realms, which clearly proves that he is referring to the real Yggdrasil tree.

This argument has been debunked before. It was clearly referring to the stray branches of the tree and not the main branches that were referred to in the novel.

Not like it would matter as the RBR is of a significant 5D size and is part of Ygg. See this and this.

 

[Boblox1111]

This is not evidence against the infinite Yggdrasil.


This argument has been debunked before. It was clearly referring to the stray branches of the tree and not the main branches that were referred to in the novel.

Not like it would matter as the RBR is of a significant 5D size and is part of Ygg. See this and this.

Well I'll accept a concede since i can't refute further and there are other args for a 5d yggdrasil.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

is there anything significant abt “transcending space and time” for yggdrasil since its not used for its tier 1 rating?

 

[Boblox1111]

since ur a thread Moderator can u close this thread? I no longer have arguments to provide.

Disagree with the thread. Literally just tackling arguments we don’t even use for Yggdrasil like the transcending space and time line and making assumptions on the narrator statements

 

[KLOL506]

is there anything significant abt “transcending space and time” for yggdrasil since its not used for its tier 1 rating?

It's mere support for the main evidence.

 

[Mythic381]

is there anything significant abt “transcending space and time” for yggdrasil since its not used for its tier 1 rating?

Supporting for the scaling and HDE.

 

[KLOL506]

since ur a thread Moderator can u close this thread? I no longer have arguments to provide.

I am not a thread moderator, I am only a CGM.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It's mere support for the main evidence.

Hmm given it doesnt give 5D and its generally vagur (not in this case but yk) can it be removed so it doesnt mislead people into thinking its one of main evidences?

 

[KLOL506]

Hmm given it doesnt give 5D and its generally vagur (not in this case but yk) can it be removed so it doesnt mislead people into thinking its one of main evidences?

IDK why it wouldn't give 5D. The RBR, which we accept as a significant-sized 5-dimensional space, is literally just a mere part of Ygg. It'd be 5D by virtue of that alone. The transcendence statement would then end up being support. I don't get what's misleading here since the page also links to the cosmology page and all its main contents and arguments. We could just add in the stuff about RBR in the HDE section and that'd be that.

Of course, I can't add it personally since I'm on an editing block, but an admin could do it.

 

[KLOL506]

In any case, the premise of the OP has been rejected by all staff present and OP himself has conceded, but for a discussion rule to be formed, we'll need at least 4-5 admin votes other than that of Planck to agree to it. Right now we only have two (Elizhaa and DDM).

 

[Boblox1111]

In any case, the premise of the OP has been rejected by all staff present and OP himself has conceded, but for a discussion rule to be formed, we'll need at least 4-5 admin votes other than that of Planck to agree to it. Right now we only have two (Elizhaa and Planck).

I'm new here, what's a discussion rule?

 

[KLOL506]

I'm new here, what's a discussion rule?

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[Planck69]

Since the OP has conceded and all staff commenting have rejected this, I'll close the thread. Any issue of a discussion rule will be handled separately.