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Jujutsu Kaisen past Gojo upgrades

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This is just doing physical stats for Past Gojo

Gojo should scale to Geto physically, Geto is 8-A

Gojo is already an extremely strong Grade 1 nearing Special Grade same as Geto, so he would upscale to 8-A anyways by virtue of being far above other grade 1 sorcerers

Toji was unsure about fighting a full power Gojo 1 on 1 even with all his weapons

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Gojo physical AP should change from Unknown to Multi-City Block level

Agree:
ElJoaki5, Gamecooob, Anonymous_Learner

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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This is just doing physical stats for Past Gojo

Gojo should scale to Geto physically, Geto is 8-A

Gojo is already an extremely strong Grade 1 nearing Special Grade same as Geto, so he would upscale to 8-A anyways by virtue of being far above other grade 1 sorcerers

Toji was unsure about fighting a full power Gojo 1 on 1 even with all his weapons

hNc3v6w.jpeg


Gojo physical AP should change from Unknown to Multi-City Block level

Agree:
ElJoaki5

Disagree:

Neutral:
Seems reasonable

plus blue and all of his attacks should scale higher wouldn't it?

So It'd be like higher with blue for ex?
 
I think the scaling is Red 2x over Lapse Blue>Awakened Gojo>Gojo=Toji>114.36 Tons

(Gojo=Toji because Toji was unsure about the fight and that no one could get to Amanai if gojo was there)
 
Is it accepted that AP~Durability in JJK?
Around Equal, Most characters have slightly higher durability so he would probably downscale a bit but most characters scale to their dura

Hell, Geto in this arc has MCBL AP due to scaling to his Durability and Toji's MCBL comes from a Durability feat
 
Around Equal, Most characters have slightly higher durability so he would probably downscale a bit but most characters scale to their dura
It being the case with most characters doesn't really mean it should be assumed to be the case. At best it should be a likely rating.
Hell, Geto in this arc has MCBL AP due to scaling to his Durability and Toji's MCBL comes from a Durability feat
Geto scales to Gojo and Toji scales to Maki
 
Is it accepted that AP~Durability in JJK?
AP and Durability should be exactly the same in JJK. They both are a product of Reinforcement, which applies Cursed Energy to their physical stats. The only exception is when Cursed Energy is focused into one specific area for increased durability (Todo surviving Mahito's Black Flash). If his Durability is MCB, his AP should be at the same level. The only case where it wouldn't be is if the MCB durability was the result of a Binding Vow or concentrating his Cursed Energy into a smaller area.
 
No, Geto scales to Toji cause he got hit by him several times

And Toji scales to Maki who scales above Culling Games Yuji who is MCBL because of, as I said, a durability feat
Geto's AP justification: "At least Multi-City Block level (He can fight Gojo. He is a Grade 1 Sorcerer who was close to Special Grade, so he is much stronger than people like Nanami, the Zenin clan, Todo, Itadori and anyone else below him in the hierarchy)

Yuji can fight the nerfed Sukuna that did the 8-A feat and Maki one shot Naoya who hurt Yuji a little.
AP and Durability should be exactly the same in JJK. They both are a product of Reinforcement, which applies Cursed Energy to their physical stats. The only exception is when Cursed Energy is focused into one specific area for increased durability (Todo surviving Mahito's Black Flash). If his Durability is MCB, his AP should be at the same level. The only case where it wouldn't be is if the MCB durability was the result of a Binding Vow or concentrating his Cursed Energy into a smaller area.
A lot of power systems use an energy that applies to all physical stats, but that doesn't mean it's applied equally unless there's proof of it. Yuji's even noted for his toughness specifically which wouldn't make sense if it's the same as his strength.

There's also Ryu, who's more durable than DE Shinjuku Yuta despite Base CG Yuta being able to trade blows with him pretty well.
 
Geto's AP justification: "At least Multi-City Block level (He can fight Gojo. He is a Grade 1 Sorcerer who was close to Special Grade, so he is much stronger than people like Nanami, the Zenin clan, Todo, Itadori and anyone else below him in the hierarchy)
All of that would apply to Gojo as well
 
ok looking back at it

Im ok with Gojo upscaling from Geto physically however the toji part is a bit weird due to how physically insane Toji is
I mean, Toji does upscale from MCBL so downscaling from him wouldn't really put Gojo below the 8-A line
 
I mean, Toji does upscale from MCBL so downscaling from him wouldn't really put Gojo below the 8-A line
yeah but Toji's scaling in this wiki is already kind of weird because realistically he should be physically on par with maki who should have the same dura as Yuta, Yuji, etc due to tanking hits from Sukuna

Hakari has a similar problem but this aint about him
 
This is the Gojo that reinforced himself against Toji. So the point stands that Gojo's AP and durability aren't necessarily the same.
that reinforced tired Gojo is still weaker than his nontired self, who Toji is reluctant to fight head on and believe it's a possibility of him losing, who we're trying to scale to MCB.
I'm not saying Weakened Teen Gojo=Toji, more like FP teen Gojo≈Tojo<Tired Gojo but not by a crazy ammount as shown when he can force him back and intercept him.
 
A lot of power systems use an energy that applies to all physical stats, but that doesn't mean it's applied equally unless there's proof of it. Yuji's even noted for his toughness specifically which wouldn't make sense if it's the same as his strength.

There's also Ryu, who's more durable than DE Shinjuku Yuta despite Base CG Yuta being able to trade blows with him pretty well.
Yuji's ALSO noted to be incredibly strong several times (By Nanami and Todo, etc.). Not just tough.

Ryu was blowing Yuta's limbs off with attacks and had enough output to one-shot Rika. Not to mention Ryu is perfect evidence that durability and AP is relative because his own Granite Blasts hurt him, but he was able to survive them (Was hurt by the first one, and the second one put him down).
 
that reinforced tired Gojo is still weaker than his nontired self, who Toji is reluctant to fight head on and believe it's a possibility of him losing, who we're trying to scale to MCB.
I'm not saying Weakened Teen Gojo=Toji, more like FP teen Gojo≈Tojo<Tired Gojo but not by a crazy ammount as shown when he can force him back and intercept him.
My point if you're going with AP~Durability, Toji>Fatigued Gojo's Blue>Fatigued Gojo, and Gojo doesn't have to scale in striking strength to be a threat when he has mastery over Blue
Yuji's ALSO noted to be incredibly strong several times (By Nanami and Todo, etc.). Not just tough.
Indeed, but his toughness is certainly given more emphasis,
Ryu was blowing Yuta's limbs off with attacks and had enough output to one-shot Rika.
With CE discharges, not his regular punches. His Rika beating punches definitely aren't his average either.
Not to mention Ryu is perfect evidence that durability and AP is relative because his own Granite Blasts hurt him, but he was able to survive them (Was hurt by the first one, and the second one put him down).
It being the case with most characters doesn't really mean it should be assumed to be the case. At best it should be a likely rating.
Toji and Maki's whole things are being physical gods, and Toji can even somewhat withstand Awakened Gojo's Red, it really doesn't make sense for Pre-RCT Gojo to be on par with him in raw punching power.
 
Indeed, but his toughness is certainly given more emphasis,
Is it? I feel both are given equal emphasis.
With CE discharges, not his regular punches. His Rika beating punches definitely aren't his average either.
A regular shoulder tackle sent Yuta flying and bleeding out of his mouth.
Toji and Maki's whole things are being physical gods, and Toji can even somewhat withstand Awakened Gojo's Red, it really doesn't make sense for Pre-RCT Gojo to be on par with him in raw punching power.
No he can't somewhat withstand Red. He specifically only handled Red "as well" as he did because of Inverted Spear of Heaven. He specifically stated he can endure Red as long as he blocks with ISoH. The indication being that Red would absolutely **** him up if not for it.
 
Is it? I feel both are given equal emphasis.
Yuji takes a few attacks from ISB Mahito who's 3x stronger than him, Hakari is shocked at Yuji's toughness despite feeling his strength prior and Kenjaku who's freaking KENJAKU was impressed at how tough Yuji was. Yuji even implies durability is his greatest strength, which is supplemented by Higuruma calling Yuji an unbreakable doll.
A regular shoulder tackle sent Yuta flying and bleeding out of his mouth.
Given the CE flashing around Ryu, it probably involved CE discharge; when they were regularly trading blows Yuta was fine.
No he can't somewhat withstand Red. He specifically only handled Red "as well" as he did because of Inverted Spear of Heaven. He specifically stated he can endure Red as long as he blocks with ISoH. The indication being that Red would absolutely **** him up if not for it.
That's only in the anime, where Toji doesn't even make the statement about timing like he did in the manga. In the manga, I think the idea is that Toji got hit head on and thought the power of Red was monstrous, but if he doesn't mess up the timing, he can block future uses with ISOH. Heck, even Purple only obliterates Toji at the center of its impact, given that the hole behind Toji is much bigger than the hole in his body.
 
Yuji takes a few attacks from ISB Mahito who's 3x stronger than him
The profile is inaccurate. It was decided that ISB is only a 2x increase because the Japanese translation says he's at 200% of his normal power. And surviving a couple hits from someone twice as strong as you is feasible for any person. It would hurt like a *****, yeah, but it's survivable. Especially when you consider Yuji's pain tolerance.
Okay, but I don't think Yuji is going all out on a dude he just wants to request the help from. They weren't having an all out-fight. Not to mention most of Yuji's strength comes from his body, with only a small fraction of it coming from Cursed Energy reinforcement (As stated by Nanami). So most people wouldn't be able to accurately gauge his strength either.
Kenjaku who's freaking KENJAKU was impressed at how tough Yuji was.
Fair, but there's also people being surprised/shocked/scared or taking note of Yuji's strength as well (Todo, Nanami, Ino, etc.)
Yuji even implies durability is his greatest strength, which is supplemented by Higuruma calling Yuji an unbreakable doll.
He doesn't imply durability is his greatest strength. In fact, he implies he has several because he states "Yeah, that's one thing I've got going for me." And I'm pretty sure in the same fight, Higuruma takes note of Yuji's monstrous strength.
Given the CE flashing around Ryu, it probably involved CE discharge; when they were regularly trading blows Yuta was fine.
He explicitly states in the page you sent that if he didn't block/redirect Ryu's blows carefully, that he would take damage. Him not blocking that elbow check was an example of him failing to guard properly.
That's only in the anime, where Toji doesn't even make the statement about timing like he did in the manga. In the manga, I think the idea is that Toji got hit head on and thought the power of Red was monstrous, but if he doesn't mess up the timing, he can block future uses with ISOH. Heck, even Purple only obliterates Toji at the center of its impact, given that the hole behind Toji is much bigger than the hole in his body.
I don't think the implication was that he took it head on at all. Especially since the Anime explicitly shows us he blocked it with ISoH. And the attack still knocked him on his ass, and forced him to check if his bones were broken from the impact. Red is clearly > Toji. And I don't even think you're supposed to think about the Purple that much, but if were are going to make some conclusion about that, it should be that Purple started small, and grew larger as it passed through Toji (It started as a small "sparkle" in Gojo's hand, and obviously grew to that size to leave behind that sort of damage). Which is consistent since Purple grows as it's fully formed and launched (And Gojo's first Purple looked differently from every other case at that, so it's an extra special case).

But also yeah... a normal wall is obviously less durable than Toji. In case my comment seemed to imply Toji = Wall level which it wasn't. Obviously the far less durable wall is going to take more damage than Toji does.
 
This exists
Toji needs something to fall back on in case that goes through. Plus, that scale to awakened gojo, not preawakening gojo physicals
 
Wait, this thread isn't dead? damn, I thought it was for sure
It was till i remember it existed and wanted something to fall back on incase ElJoaki5's CRT goes through (it likely won't but, as i'm sure we've all learned, never put all your bets in one CRT) and Preawakened gojo's physicals need an upgrade
 
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