Tier 0 Adventure Time (Yes I'm serious)

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So let me just make this clear. The Cosmic Imagination is not necessarily what's tier 0. The Cosmic Imagination will remain as 2-A. This will be on it's profile but only as separate key for this "Nothing" or "Emptiness".

So we have the "Swishless Emptiness of All That Is". All things will eventually dissolve back into it.

We also have elaboration that all distinct beings are actually identified the same with each other in oneness. This means that this emptiness is where all distinction ceases to be, and where all beings dissolve back into. The Emptiness is also the Invisible from which the Visible (Cosmic Imagination) manifests.

And to add onto the top part, all things disappear into nothing, and all things come from Nothing (the Emptiness of All That Is)

It is also suggested that logical thinking is not designed to actually determine the "Answer" for which the multiverse came about, meaning that this Emptiness without distinction is beyond the capability to comprehend it through logical thinking. This suggest that the source of the Multiverse is ineffable in actuality.

As the emptiness is suggested to be ineffable in nature as it cannot be determind by logical thinking, being emptiness without distinction, as the essence of all things separate are actually identified to be one in the same to the Infinity of All That Is, and the source where all things come from and return to it's Emptiness, I believe that a Possibly 0 rating is warranted as a different key on profile for Cosmic Imagination as I'm not sure about a full on rating since it lacks a little oomph or "vibes" per se, but I believe it's pretty strong for a possibly rating.

 

[Tank1418]

 

[RigelBR7]

I'm willing to agree, but I can't tell if it's really vague or not, but it sounds great. Following.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

This type of oneness does not qualify for Tier 0 by itself. Tier 0 transcends oneness. This type of oneness means that things have no differentiation between each other, whereas Tier 0 transcends all differentiation and particularity, its oneness is not that things are identical.

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Omnipotence

Omnipotence, in its most common composition, is defined as the ability do to all things. It is usually accompanied by other attributes – Omnipresence and Omniscience. In more analytic terms, Omnipotence might be formulated as "X is Omnipotent iff, should X will a certain state-of-affairs Y, Y...

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[Robo432343]

possible tier 0 rating looks so weird
either you're tier 0 or you're not
just make it tier 0

 

[Hasty12345]

Looks like straight up 0

 

[Re5yh]

WAAAAAIT, I think that reminds me of the first thread I made, but was in low effort: https://vsbattles.com/threads/adventure-time-crt-cosmic-imagination-tier-upgrade-crt.176263/
Agree with Tier 0.

 

[Rutæhh]

I believe that a Possibly 0 rating is warranted as a different key on profile for Cosmic Imagination as I'm not sure about a full on rating since it lacks a little oomph or "vibes" per se, but I believe it's pretty strong for a possibly rating.

vibe scaling>>>>>

agree

 

[Iiliminal]

agreed

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

This type of oneness does not qualify for Tier 0 by itself. Tier 0 transcends oneness. This type of oneness means that things have no differentiation between each other, whereas Tier 0 transcends all differentiation and particularity, its oneness is not that things are identical.

Ultima Reality/rambleramble

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Ultima Reality/rambleramble

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Omnipotence

Omnipotence, in its most common composition, is defined as the ability do to all things. It is usually accompanied by other attributes – Omnipresence and Omniscience. In more analytic terms, Omnipotence might be formulated as "X is Omnipotent iff, should X will a certain state-of-affairs Y, Y...

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Things where they are not truly separate and all things are identified the same is tier 0, It means there's truly no distinction. So basically there's no such thing as distinct determinate beings as that identity lacks separations. Also remember that it's Emptiness/Nothing where separation collapses, meaning that's this lack of separation is empty at it's core, so it's an utter lack of it and all things are empty.

You're trying to use snippets where it says vague oneness don't qualify, but it's not vague here because it's elaborated that there's actually no separation or different identity/essence between all things.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Things where they are not truly separate and all things are identified the same is tier 0

That only helps in the context of getting more than one Tier 0, rather than being something used to achieve Tier 0.

, It means there's truly no distinction. So basically there's no such thing as distinct determinate beings as that identity lacks separations. Also remember that it's Emptiness/Nothing where separation collapses, meaning that's this lack of separation is empty at it's core, so it's an utter lack of it and all things are empty.

You're trying to use snippets where it says vague oneness don't qualify, but it's not vague here because it's elaborated that there's actually no separation or different identity/essence between all things.

The issue is that oneness by itself does not transcend essence or all qualities; it is still a basic essence that all things share, being one and the same. Here, Ultima said that this alone does qualify for such a rating as Tier 0 and the emptiness part will still mean it has a quality or particular trait of being empty.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

That only helps in the context of getting more than one Tier 0, rather than being something used to achieve Tier 0.

The issue is that oneness by itself does not transcend essence or all qualities; it is still a basic essence that all things share, being one and the same. Here, Ultima said that this alone does qualify for such a rating as Tier 0 and the emptiness part will still mean it has a quality or particular trait of being empty.

It's tier 0 exactly because essence/separation/identity is empty in it. This has a lot more context than what Tensura had going for it. Saying separation/essence ultimately being nothing/empty in it just means that emptiness/nothingness is another quality or distinct identity doesn't make much sense.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

It's tier 0 exactly because essence/separation/identity is empty in it. This has a lot more context than what Tensura had going for it. Saying separation/essence ultimately being nothing/empty in it just means that emptiness/nothingness is another quality or distinct identity doesn't make much sense.

Also it's stronger when you use the scan of it being outside Logic as well, and logical thinking not being able to determine it at all.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

possible tier 0 rating looks so weird
either you're tier 0 or you're not
just make it tier 0

you were saying?

 

[KaramcaS]

It seems like you've exaggerated something simple

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

It seems like you've exaggerated something simple

not really. all the stuff for the tier is pretty much right there imo

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It's tier 0 exactly because essence/separation/identity is empty in it. This has a lot more context than what Tensura had going for it. Saying separation/essence ultimately being nothing/empty in it just means that emptiness/nothingness is another quality or distinct identity doesn't make much sense.

I see, so this is some Buddhist philosophy stuff. After looking into it a little, I agree with the thread.

Nagarjuna - Wikipedia

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[CastoriceTheFifth]

Neutral

 

[Tank1418]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

I won't argue that this seems to conceptually align with Tier 0, but is this 'Swishless Emptiness of All That Is' even notable enough to warrant putting on a profile?

If the only mention of it is this one time indirectly in an explanation of wizardry, then I'd hesitate to say it's even worth mentioning.

I'm also unclear why we'd consider this an extension of the Cosmic Imagination rather than its own page. I'd like some elaboration there.

@Antvasima
Could you ping the rest of the Tier 0 people, please?

 

[Antvasima]

I won't argue that this seems to conceptually align with Tier 0, but is this 'Swishless Emptiness of All That Is' even notable enough to warrant putting on a profile?

If the only mention of it is this one time indirectly in an explanation of wizardry, then I'd hesitate to say it's even worth mentioning.

I'm also unclear why we'd consider this an extension of the Cosmic Imagination rather than its own page. I'd like some elaboration there.

@Antvasima
Could you ping the rest of the Tier 0 people, please?

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Agnaa @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Everything12 @Ovy7 @Rakih_Elyan @IdiosyncraticLawyer @RatherClueless @GrathOfLux @Udlmaster @SamanPatou @ActuallySpaceMan42

Are any of you willing to take a look here please?

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I agree. Really explicit.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I won't argue that this seems to conceptually align with Tier 0, but is this 'Swishless Emptiness of All That Is' even notable enough to warrant putting on a profile?

If the only mention of it is this one time indirectly in an explanation of wizardry, then I'd hesitate to say it's even worth mentioning.

I'm also unclear why we'd consider this an extension of the Cosmic Imagination rather than its own page. I'd like some elaboration there.

@Antvasima
Could you ping the rest of the Tier 0 people, please?

It's mostly because the cosmic imagination is considered to be a manifestation from it. Visible from the Invisible.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Btw, I’d like to say two things.

First of all, if a profile isn’t made for X reasons, this should be added to the verse’s cosmology blog (if the verse has one). I don’t think it’s directly related to the Cosmic Imagination itself, but rather what precedes everything, acting as a sort of pseudo prime mover.

And second, I don’t get why the OP says “possibly tier 0” when the scans presented are just plain tier 0.

The idea of using a “possibly” in a tier like 0 strikes me as absurd.

I would say this works as a full tier.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Btw, I’d like to say two things.

First of all, if a profile isn’t made for X reasons, this should be added to the verse’s cosmology blog (if the verse has one). I don’t think it’s directly related to the Cosmic Imagination itself, but rather what precedes everything, acting as a sort of pseudo prime mover.

And second, I don’t get why the OP says “possibly tier 0” when the scans presented are just plain tier 0.

The idea of using a “possibly” in a tier like 0 strikes me as absurd.

I would say this works as a full tier.

If staff are fine with it then yea sure. I also thought the CI was just the de facto best place to put it. Also I dunno if Adventure Time necessarily warrants a cosmology blog, because for how wacky it is, it's ultimately just a simple multiverse with weird functions and I don't think presence of a tier 0 is enough to make one.

 

[Rutæhh]

If staff are fine with it then yea sure. I also thought the CI was just the de facto best place to put it. Also I dunno if Adventure Time necessarily warrants a cosmology blog, because for how wacky it is, it's ultimately just a simple multiverse with weird functions and I don't think presence of a tier 0 is enough to make one.

wouldnt it help to have one just to explain the features of the multivere? such as amok time and the nature of how the multiverse come into being

 

[Re5yh]

I wish we would need Goofy. Anyways @BestMGQScalerEver you would need to create a cosmology blog for this before the tier 0 stuff like that.

 

[Re5yh]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

First, correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t monsters said to exist before nothingness? I specifically remember that being stated.

Second, this feels more like a Cosmological explanation than an actual profile.

Also, this situation seems closer to a Primordial Void rather than a genuine Tier 0. A Tier 0 isn’t just about being without differentiation or existing as a kind of oneness; it’s about transcending differentiation altogether. There’s an important distinction here: being nondual (lacking duality) versus being transdual (surpassing duality). The former negates duality, while the latter completely transcends it.

Keep in mind that "oneness" in the context of a Tier 0 has a fairly specific meaning, which is transcendence over all differentiation and all particularity. A Tier 0 is not a blob of some mysterious energy, nor a pool of cosmic "stuff" in which all things are gathered and melted together. As such, statements of being "All-in-One," "Undifferentiated," "Indistinct," etcetera, are not automatic qualifiers without further context.

 

[FinePoint]

First, correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t monsters said to exist before nothingness? I specifically remember that being stated.

Well, that pretty succinctly disproves the notion.
So unless there's a really good explanation for that I suppose I can't approve this.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

First, correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t monsters said to exist before nothingness? I specifically remember that being stated.

Second, this feels more like a Cosmological explanation than an actual profile.

Also, this situation seems closer to a Primordial Void rather than a genuine Tier 0. A Tier 0 isn’t just about being without differentiation or existing as a kind of oneness; it’s about transcending differentiation altogether. There’s an important distinction here: being nondual (lacking duality) versus being transdual (surpassing duality). The former negates duality, while the latter completely transcends it.

This isn't really the same nothing considering the Monsters would fall under this.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This isn't really the same nothing considering the Monsters would fall under this.

You would need proof of it, referring to a different nothing than the void outside the multiverse.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

You cannot in any way equate the "nothing" mentioned in the show to the emptiness here.


Don't forget this image that says there is no answer from which the thing that created multiverse came about. While the show's nothing proceeded from monsters. If emptiness were to have a creator, it'd lead to sort of logical regress, and therefore it has to be outside of logic. This makes more sense as the emptiness here being the most primary thing in the cosmology.

You would need proof of it, referring to a different nothing than the void outside the multiverse.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

You cannot in any way equate the "nothing" mentioned in the show to the emptiness here.

I mean, I can. The nothingness in the show is stated to have come before everything, and everything was stated to have risen from the emptiness you're describing in your CRT.

The burden of evidence is on you to prove that different 'voids' outside the multiverse exist.

Don't forget this image that says there is no answer from which the thing that created multiverse came about. While the show's nothing proceeded from monsters. If emptiness were to have a creator, it'd lead to sort of logical regress, and therefore it has to be outside of logic. This makes more sense as the emptiness here being the most primary thing in the cosmology.

Incomprehensible things being explained in fiction is pretty typical, and this doesn’t say there’s no answer at all. It says either the answer comes from a form of knowing outside of logic (which makes sense, since the Lich predates the Multiverse), or that a wizard simply can’t figure it out, which is more a limitation of the wizard’s intelligence than of reality itself.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I mean, I can. The nothingness in the show is stated to have come before everything, and everything was stated to have risen from the emptiness you're describing in your CRT.

The burden of evidence is on you to prove that different 'voids' outside the multiverse exist.

Incomprehensible things being explained in fiction is pretty typical, and this doesn’t say there’s no answer at all. It says either the answer comes from a form of knowing outside of logic (which makes sense, since the Lich predates the Multiverse), or that a wizard simply can’t figure it out, which is more a limitation of the wizard’s intelligence than of reality itself.

meh you can close the CRT for now. i have another non tier one i wish to get on with

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with ActuallySpaceMan42's evaluations above. Thank you for helping out.