Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 2

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

 

[Firestorm808]

Don't need to be stated as concept, it literally shown to be concept Type 2 and that's not an explanation, that's what Vilgax literally says.

Where even stated to be lying? It means it, since he hold Ascalon which has Madness Effect

My position remains the same regarding this topic. Feel free to ask other staff on the matter.

 

[Firestorm808]

Immortality (Type 5; He can't be kill.)
5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed.
I don't see how this is demonstrated in the link given.

It can still alive even after lose their life-force & heart

The original link you gave is just an image with the caption: "I have witnessed the power of Dagon."

5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

Living after losing their heart falls under Type 2

What scene are you referring to Dagon having no Life-Force?

 

[Hellformer]

@Ultimate-Rex1
We have 2 votes right? If yes then have you started applying things which have been accepted?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

@Ultimate-Rex1
We have 2 votes right? If yes then have you started applying things which have been accepted?

No, since Firestorm don't reviews everything

 

[Firestorm808]

The original link you gave is just an image with the caption: "I have witnessed the power of Dagon."

5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

Living after losing their heart falls under Type 2

What scene are you referring to Dagon having no Life-Force?

Did you have a reply for this?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

The original link you gave is just an image with the caption: "I have witnessed the power of Dagon."

This is scan

What scene are you referring to Dagon having no Life-Force?

This.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Seeing the clips from @jgms2008, my stance remains unchanged.

To justify non-physical interaction, you need to provide an example of mana being intentionally intangible/non-physical and a person is still able to intentionally make contact with it.

How do you differentiate between mana attacks that are intended to be intangible vs tangible when it makes contact with the target?

You showed clips of Ben's Aliens getting hit by mana attacks, but how we're those attacks intentionally intangible from the start?

Really? There's no clip of any humans or inanimate objects getting hit by a mana attack at all throughout the series?

According to Agnaa, this can be really anti-feat, like Radiation goes through walls, harms average people, but can't meaningfully be punched away.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Following.

 

[Hellformer]

According to Agnaa, this can be really anti-feat, like Radiation goes through walls, harms average people, but can't meaningfully be punched away.

Did you have a reply for this?

Firestorm, could you please reply to this

 

[Firestorm808]

According to Agnaa, this can be really anti-feat, like Radiation goes through walls, harms average people, but can't meaningfully be punched away.

My stance remains unchanged. If I shot a mana attack at a random Joe, Joe is getting hit, and that's not NPI. That's the attack doing what it's intended to do. The same goes with Ben's aliens getting hit. It's no different that shooting a mana attack at a rock and blowing it up.

I need a clear example like they did with Vilgax's Non-Physical Interaction (With his Gauntlet. Caught Big Chill while he was intangible)

I imagine an example where a mana attack or something is intentionally being intangible, but a third party actively intercepts it to the caster's surprise.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

My stance remains unchanged. If I shot a mana attack at a random Joe, Joe is getting hit, and that's not NPI. That's the attack doing what it's intended to do. The same goes with Ben's aliens getting hit. It's no different that shooting a mana attack at a rock and blowing it up.

No one ever said "Ben's aliens getting Mana attacks, so Non-Physical Interaction". It literally see that can interact with Mana itself, like when Fourarms interact with Mana.

I need a clear example like they did with Vilgax's Non-Physical Interaction (With his Gauntlet. Caught Big Chill while he was intangible)

Well You're just ignoring what I'm saying and what scan shows.

I imagine an example where a mana attack or something is intentionally being intangible, but a third party actively intercepts it to the caster's surprise.

And what is this relationship with Aliens? They show that they can reverse and hit Mana.

 

[Firestorm808]

No one ever said "Ben's aliens getting Mana attacks, so Non-Physical Interaction". It literally see that can interact with Mana itself, like when Fourarms interact with Mana.

Well You're just ignoring what I'm saying and what scan shows.

And what is this relationship with Aliens? They show that they can reverse and hit Mana.

That's not what I said at all. I'm not ignoring anything.

In any case, my position remains the same regarding this topic. Feel free to ask other staff on the matter.

 

[Firestorm808]

Dagon:

• Remove his Abstract Existence since it accepted as Inorganic Physiology
  • Fine
• Regeneration get downgrade to High-Low since it only regenerate his hand
  • Tentacle, but yes.

Omnitrix:

• Omnitrix's Purification changes to Passive and add all types since it accepted
  • What "passive" purification? Why all types?
• Omnitrix's Limited Status Effect Removal should be removed since it's accepted as has Purification
  • Pending

Alien Physiology:

• Change from Alien Physiology to Transformation Physiology, since Omnitrix Aliens are stated to be Transformation
  • Fine

Gwen Tennyson:

• Remove Matter Manipulation and Durability Negation, since it add to Mana page (and Matter Manipulation get downgrade to Limited)
  • Fine
• Healing get downgrade to High-Low (and should be removed since it's on Mana pages)
  • Fine
• Intangibility Negation should be removed since it more like Layered
  • Fine
• Corruption & Absorption Negation should get removed since it's accepted as Resistance
  • Fine
• Chi Manipulation get removed here
  • Fine
• Most of abilities should remove since it now on Mana Pages
  • Fine

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Omnitrix:

• Omnitrix's Purification changes to Passive and add all types since it accepted
  • What "passive" purification? Why all types?

It accepted as all types as here. And it passive as when Spells or Mind control affected Transformations, Omnitrix will remove these effects when Ben is returned to Human form.

• Omnitrix's Limited Status Effect Removal should be removed since it's accepted as has Purification
  • Pending

It's because it use the same scan for Purification

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

That's not what I said at all. I'm not ignoring anything.

To be clearly, I didn't understand what turned out to be explained do you mean anyone of these things:

1. Mana attacks don't shown to be phase through humans then it's not non-corporeal
2. Mana attacks are non-corporeal, but it only shows that Transformation get hit by Mana, who is not Non-Physical Interaction
3. Both

In any case, my position remains the same regarding this topic. Feel free to ask other staff on the matter.

 

[Lort15]

Alien X:

• His immeasurable LS shouldn't via Telekinesis, since he should be superior to Feedback when he was absorbed big bang

Will look at.

could you also check this? i guess this is forgotten

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

It accepted as all types as here. And it passive as when Spells or Mind control affected Transformations, Omnitrix will remove these effects when Ben is returned to Human form.

That wouldn't fall under "Passive" because it needs to "actively" transform to cause that effect.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

That wouldn't fall under "Passive" because it needs to "actively" transform to cause that effect.

It don't need, since even if the time of transformation was ended, it will remove these effects.

 

[Firestorm808]

It don't need, since even if the time of transformation was ended, it will remove these effects.

That's still not "Passive."

"Passive" suggests that a character can stand there and do nothing, but the effect still happens anyway. The trigger of transformation in either direction makes it an active ability.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

That's still not "Passive."

"Passive" suggests that a character can stand there and do nothing, but the effect still happens anyway. The trigger of transformation in either direction makes it an active ability.

Ok, but do you agree with this?

Omnitrix's Limited Status Effect Removal should be removed since it's accepted as has Purification

 

[Firestorm808]

Ok, but do you agree with this?

Should be fine.

 

[Firestorm808]

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
  • "So IM here is Limited because users need to know the true name of things. But, it should be a weakness since users who know the true names of things wouldn't be limited."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.
• Text Manipulation (Mana users can write word/rune of things that hold the literal power of things itself.)
  • First link is broken.
  • Second link is not related to text manip
• Instinctive Action (Mana can reacts immediately when senses the emotions of user)
  • The text says that this is for the charms. It is not a default for mana, unless you have an example.
  • Is there a clip for this scene?
  • It could count if the emotional reaction itself is the trigger for the magic, and the user doesn’t consciously decide to use it. For example:
    • A mage whose fire spell erupts whenever they feel anger, regardless of intent.
    • A psychic shield that automatically manifests when the user feels fear.
    • A curse that lashes out at anyone who makes the user feel hatred.
  • It would not count if the user deliberately channels emotions into magic. For instance:
    • A character focusing on their love or rage to fuel a spell.
    • Situations where emotion is more like a power source
• Telekinesis & Weapon Control (User can telekinetically objects and weapons, shown here, here and here)
  • Telekinesis is fine.
  • Weapon Control via Telekinesis is fine.
• Non-Physical Interaction
  • (Phasing Intangibility: 1 Layer; Mana can interact with Ghostfreak, which can phase through Gwen's mana)
    • Disagree. Phasing: The ability to phase through matter by becoming briefly intangible, sometimes through such means as vibrating one's molecules at such a speed that it becomes possible to move through physical matter.
    • In any case, similar to before, you need an example of GF trying to be intangible, and Mana touching them anyway. As shown, when desired, Ectonurites can just go through mana.
  • (Immaterial Intangibility: 1 Layer; Mana users can interact with Prypiatosian-B, a pure radiation/nuclear energy beings, and Aliens like Jetray can't interact with them, despite Transformations can interact with Mana, a pure life energy can phase through things)
    • Prypiatosian-B's fall under limited Elemental Intangibility as they are still physical beings that generate the Radiation Energy that makes up the rest of the body. This is demonstrated by being trapped in the suit even though the grills of the suit allow him to expel energy. If Pandor was literally pure energy, he would just leak himself out through the grill, but that is not the case. We also have an instance of Big Chill freezing Pandor's and causing ice to form on him. Kevin, after absorbing Carbon Rods, could touch and hold onto Pandora's body.
  • (Ghost & Elemental Intangibility: Lighting/Elecricity; Mana can interact with Amperi when it was pure electrical ghost and it can phase through things.)
    • Disagree with ghost. It's not a literal ghost. It's a figure of speech.
    • Elemental is fine.
• Immortality Negation (Type 1, 3, 5 and 8; Mana can negate immortal ability, shown when Dagon can kill Sir George without need to destroy Ascalon, as George's life linked to Ascalon making Sir George unkillable, and it stated that Dagon's powers is mana)
  • Negating type 1 just means that one can die by old age now. Dagon stripped George of the empowerment, returning to an old man. But, Old George did not die by old age. Negating the bond between George and Ascalon for Type 8 is fine.
  • The "bound" statement only suggests Type 1, not Type 3. You need a clear depiction of regenerating from wounds.
• Mind Manipulation (Mana users can link their minds with another person's mind, allowing them to see the memories of the person they are linked to. Mana is mind/thought of beings, this was supported twice, and more, as Gwen was able to senses Mind of beings using Mana Sensor, and later it turns out that Mana Sensor can only sense mana of being.)
  • Fine
• Extrasensory Perception/Mana Sensor:
  • Infinite Perception/Reaction Speed (Via Extrasensory Perception/Mana Sensor; Users can search entire infinite universe in one second.)
  • We just consider the range for this, not the speed.
• Holy Manipulation (Mana users can use Mana to seal and prevent demons from using their demonic powers to cross between dimensions)
  • Again, they aren't literal demons. Similar to before, I do not consider this as "holy."
• Resurrection (Mana can be used to resurrect dead cells as in the case of Lord Transyl)
  • Mana was used as a power source for the machine. Mana alone wasn't used for the resurrection.
• Aura (Fear-inducing; Mana aura can cause horror to people, shown when Vilgax use lower power of Dagon's mana, able to make the Forever Knights afraid of him.)
  • The first link is just Dagon saying, "I cannot be destroyed."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.
• Dimensional Storage (Mana users have the ability to hide things in and out of books, shown here and here.)
  • Fine.
• Enhanced Senses
  • (Neutral Vision & High degree of X-Ray Vision; Mana users can see Esoterica through invisible parallel dimension between dimensions without use their mana)
    • Neutral Vision for Dimensional invisibility is fine.
    • Looking at the full clip, Gwen is using mana to see them.
    • What x-ray vision?
  • (Enhanced Awareness [more proof]; They can senses thoughts when it absorbed by Lucubra)
    • Do you mean, she can sense what the Lucubra does with thoughts?
• Fusionism & Hacking (Mana users can combine mana and technology, and possess ability to manipulated data to control mana, a essence of beings and even universe.)
  • This isn't Fusionism.
  • "hacking is the process of breaking into computers, robots, advanced artificial intelligences and/or software and taking control of the system." She is not depited doing this.
• Resistance to:
  • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation, Empathic Manipulation & Corruption (Both Types; Mana user can resist Darkstar's corruption, which make anyone become zombie and turn that attracted to him and control their minds after being drained)
    • If other staff are fine with it, sure.
  • Power Nullification (Mana users can't be affected by power negation, shown when Addwaitya still can use his Mana power even after Gwen nullifies it, and shown when Dagon can still use his spells even after Ascalon nullifies it.)
    • The binding spell isn't nullification, just restriction. It just prevents certain avenues of spellcasting.
    • Ascalon shouldn't have "Power Nullification." Power isn't being nullified. It's either restricted or sealed.
  • Age Manipulation & Time Manipulation (With Shield; Unaffected by Eon's time ray)
    • Fine
  • Pure Mana users would get 3 Layers Mana Manipulation due to:
    • 1 Layer: Rock Monster, an Golems was charmed by Charmcaster to be resist against Mana. Gwen an Mana user, can affect these Rock Monster, many times.
      • Link 1 does not depict the golem's resistance.
      • Using magic to make essentially a giant vacuum isn't using mana directly on the golems.
      • The third clip is fine.
    • 2 Layers: The Geochelone Aerios, an aliens have resistance to Mana, and they shown don't affect by Gwen's mana. Masters of mana like Gwen and Charmcaster after become more powerful, they can ues mana to affect Geochelone Aerios, like Galapagus and Addwaitya.
      • A standard Geochelone Aerios's resistance seems more directional based on how Gwen knocked Galapagus down with a curve shot.
      • It's not omnidirectional, unlike Aggregor's fusion state.
      • The attack on Addwaitya exploded, but it's unclear if he was actually harmed by it.
    • 3 Layers: Aggregor was absorbing a large amount of Geochelone Aerios, he became immune to Mana user's powers who are able to bypass Geochelone Aerios' resistance to mana.
      • Considering that he absorb a large amount of Geochelone Aerios' energy, so he has a higher immunity than Geochelone Aerios, and this will also apply to Ultimate Kevin, who absorbs the full power of Ultimate Aggregor. Mana users like Gwen and Darkstar are able to affect Ultimate Kevin,
        • Isn't what Kevin absorbed from Ult Aggregor still just a fraction of the original? If Ult Aggregor was basically immune, then it's reasonable that what Ultimate Kevin got had diminishing returns. Therefore, not as resistant to mana as Ultimate Aggregor.
      • and I must mention that Gwen's emotions and willpower were extremely strong, to the point that she broke free form Ultimate Kevin's absorption and pain effects.
        • Link is broken
• Dark Mana:
  • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation & Corruption (Boths Types [2 Layers; involving Mind, Soul and Life Erasure/Manipulation]; Dark Magic can corrupt entire beings in earth into Esoterica and control over mind, and remove/change their minds, souls and life. Capable of corrupting Mana users, who were capable of resisting the effects of Michael's corrupted. Able to control Gwen's mind, which that was inside her shield, who were capable of resisting the effects of Dagon's mind control.)
    • How do you know Life is being "Erased"?
    • The rest is fine.
• Rock Monster:
  • Automatic Translation (Rock Monster has the ability to translate and speak many languages.)
    • This is just the guy being a smart scribe, rather than Auto Translation.

 

[Adr10K]

We just consider the range for this, not the speed.

If this helps, Gwen's trackinc abilities need to travel a physical distance when searching for / trying for detecting something, as shown here [4:31], or at least that's how OV portrayed it.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
  • "So IM here is Limited because users need to know the true name of things. But, it should be a weakness since users who know the true names of things wouldn't be limited."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.

Ok

• Text Manipulation (Mana users can write word/rune of things that hold the literal power of things itself.)
  • First link is broken.

Here

• • Second link is not related to text manip

They has ability to manipulate names/words which has literal power of things itself like Ichibe Hyosube

• Text Manipulation (Type 1; As a highly skilled calligrapher, Ichibē can use Ichimonji to write characters that hold the literal power of their meanings<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichibē_Hyōsube#cite_note-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a>)

• Instinctive Action (Mana can reacts immediately when senses the emotions of user)
  • The text says that this is for the charms. It is not a default for mana, unless you have an example.
  • Is there a clip for this scene?
  • It could count if the emotional reaction itself is the trigger for the magic, and the user doesn’t consciously decide to use it. For example:
    • A mage whose fire spell erupts whenever they feel anger, regardless of intent.
    • A psychic shield that automatically manifests when the user feels fear.
    • A curse that lashes out at anyone who makes the user feel hatred.

After thinking I think this is not even Instinctive Action

• Aura (Fear-inducing; Mana aura can cause horror to people, shown when Vilgax use lower power of Dagon's mana, able to make the Forever Knights afraid of him.)
  • The first link is just Dagon saying, "I cannot be destroyed."

Here.

• • • Looking at the full clip, Gwen is using mana to see them.

Her eyes don't glow with mana and this means that it did not use a mana sensor.

• • • What x-ray vision?

• X-Ray Vision: The ability to see through an object

She see them through between Dimensions

• (Enhanced Awareness [more proof]; They can senses thoughts when it absorbed by Lucubra)
  • Do you mean, she can sense what the Lucubra does with thoughts?

YES

• Pure Mana users would get 3 Layers Mana Manipulation due to:
  • 1 Layer: Rock Monster, an Golems was charmed by Charmcaster to be resist against Mana. Gwen an Mana user, can affect these Rock Monster, many times.
    • Link 1 does not depict the golem's resistance.

Here.

• • 2 Layers: The Geochelone Aerios, an aliens have resistance to Mana, and they shown don't affect by Gwen's mana. Masters of mana like Gwen and Charmcaster after become more powerful, they can ues mana to affect Geochelone Aerios, like Galapagus and Addwaitya.
    • A standard Geochelone Aerios's resistance seems more directional based on how Gwen knocked Galapagus down with a curve shot.

What? She also sealed him in her mana shield

• • It's not omnidirectional, unlike Aggregor's fusion state

He was injured by it, and it counted several times of it, like she sealed him in her mana shield like Aggregor's fusion

• • • .
    • The attack on Addwaitya exploded, but it's unclear if he was actually harmed by it.

Ok

• 3 Layers: Aggregor was absorbing a large amount of Geochelone Aerios, he became immune to Mana user's powers who are able to bypass Geochelone Aerios' resistance to mana.
  • Considering that he absorb a large amount of Geochelone Aerios' energy, so he has a higher immunity than Geochelone Aerios, and this will also apply to Ultimate Kevin, who absorbs the full power of Ultimate Aggregor. Mana users like Gwen and Darkstar are able to affect Ultimate Kevin,
    • Isn't what Kevin absorbed from Ult Aggregor still just a fraction of the original? If Ult Aggregor was basically immune, then it's reasonable that what Ultimate Kevin got had diminishing returns. Therefore, not as resistant to mana as Ultimate Aggregor.

Didn't Ultimate Kevin accept that he owns 10/10 of the Ultimate Aggregor?

• and I must mention that Gwen's emotions and willpower were extremely strong, to the point that she broke free form Ultimate Kevin's absorption and pain effects.
  • Link is broken

Here

• Dark Mana:
  • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation & Corruption (Boths Types [2 Layers; involving Mind, Soul and Life Erasure/Manipulation]; Dark Magic can corrupt entire beings in earth into Esoterica and control over mind, and remove/change their minds, souls and life. Capable of corrupting Mana users, who were capable of resisting the effects of Michael's corrupted. Able to control Gwen's mind, which that was inside her shield, who were capable of resisting the effects of Dagon's mind control.)
    • How do you know Life is being "Erased"?

Gwen says there's a lot of people out there who she couldn't sense their mana.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Negating type 1 just means that one can die by old age now. Dagon stripped George of the empowerment, returning to an old man. But, Old George did not die by old age. Negating the bond between George and Ascalon for Type 8 is fine.

Can be add as also Age Manipulation Negation? Because effects of Ascalon's powers was removed and make George back to old.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Okay then.

Can you give us your opinion on this?

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
  • "So IM here is Limited because users need to know the true name of things. But, it should be a weakness since users who know the true names of things wouldn't be limited."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.

• Aura (Fear-inducing; Mana aura can cause horror to people, shown when Vilgax use lower power of Dagon's mana, able to make the Forever Knights afraid of him.)
  • The first link is just Dagon saying, "I cannot be destroyed."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.

• Enhanced Senses
  • (Neutral Vision & High degree of X-Ray Vision; Mana users can see Esoterica through invisible parallel dimension between dimensions without use their mana)
    • Neutral Vision for Dimensional invisibility is fine.
    • Looking at the full clip, Gwen is using mana to see them.
    • What x-ray vision?

• • (Enhanced Awareness [more proof]; They can senses thoughts when it absorbed by Lucubra)
    • Do you mean, she can sense what the Lucubra does with thoughts?

• Resistance to:
  • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation, Empathic Manipulation & Corruption (Both Types; Mana user can resist Darkstar's corruption, which make anyone become zombie and turn that attracted to him and control their minds after being drained)
    • If other staff are fine with it, sure.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Extrasensory Perception/Mana Sensor:
  • Infinite Perception/Reaction Speed (Via Extrasensory Perception/Mana Sensor; Users can search entire infinite universe in one second.)
  • We just consider the range for this, not the speed.

It shown in clip that Gwen's Mana Sensor travel a physical distance when searching for / trying for detecting something, also as we seen it make a whole circle then disappears. (Also After thinking I think it's better to be Perception and Attack speed)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[RigelBR7]

Agree + following

 

[Hellformer]

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
  • "So IM here is Limited because users need to know the true name of things. But, it should be a weakness since users who know the true names of things wouldn't be limited."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.
• Text Manipulation (Mana users can write word/rune of things that hold the literal power of things itself.)
  • First link is broken.
  • Second link is not related to text manip
• Instinctive Action (Mana can reacts immediately when senses the emotions of user)
  • The text says that this is for the charms. It is not a default for mana, unless you have an example.
  • Is there a clip for this scene?
  • It could count if the emotional reaction itself is the trigger for the magic, and the user doesn’t consciously decide to use it. For example:
    • A mage whose fire spell erupts whenever they feel anger, regardless of intent.
    • A psychic shield that automatically manifests when the user feels fear.
    • A curse that lashes out at anyone who makes the user feel hatred.
  • It would not count if the user deliberately channels emotionsinto magic. For instance:
    • A character focusing on their love or rage to fuel a spell.
    • Situations where emotion is more like a power source
• Telekinesis & Weapon Control (User can telekinetically objects and weapons, shown here, here and here)
  • Telekinesis is fine.
  • Weapon Control via Telekinesis is fine.
• Non-Physical Interaction
  • (Phasing Intangibility: 1 Layer; Mana can interact with Ghostfreak, which can phase through Gwen's mana)
    • Disagree. Phasing: The ability to phase through matter by becoming briefly intangible, sometimes through such means as vibrating one's molecules at such a speed that it becomes possible to move through physical matter.
    • In any case, similar to before, you need an example of GF trying to be intangible, and Mana touching them anyway. As shown, when desired, Ectonurites can just go through mana.
  • (Immaterial Intangibility: 1 Layer; Mana users can interact with Prypiatosian-B, a pure radiation/nuclear energy beings, and Aliens like Jetray can't interact with them, despite Transformations can interact with Mana, a pure life energy can phase through things)
    • Prypiatosian-B's fall under limited Elemental Intangibility as they are still physical beings that generate the Radiation Energy that makes up the rest of the body. This is demonstrated by being trapped in the suit even though the grills of the suit allow him to expel energy. If Pandor was literally pure energy, he would just leak himself out through the grill, but that is not the case. We also have an instance of Big Chill freezing Pandor's and causing ice to form on him. Kevin, after absorbing Carbon Rods, could touch and hold onto Pandora's body.
  • (Ghost & Elemental Intangibility: Lighting/Elecricity; Mana can interact with Amperi when it was pure electrical ghost and it can phase through things.)
    • Disagree with ghost. It's not a literal ghost. It's a figure of speech.
    • Elemental is fine.
• Immortality Negation (Type 1, 3, 5 and 8; Mana can negate immortal ability, shown when Dagon can kill Sir George without need to destroy Ascalon, as George's life linked to Ascalon making Sir George unkillable, and it stated that Dagon's powers is mana)
  • Negating type 1 just means that one can die by old age now. Dagon stripped George of the empowerment, returning to an old man. But, Old George did not die by old age. Negating the bond between George and Ascalon for Type 8 is fine.
  • The "bound" statement only suggests Type 1, not Type 3. You need a clear depiction of regenerating from wounds.
• Mind Manipulation (Mana users can link their minds with another person's mind, allowing them to see the memories of the person they are linked to. Mana is mind/thought of beings, this was supported twice, and more, as Gwen was able to senses Mind of beings using Mana Sensor, and later it turns out that Mana Sensor can only sense mana of being.)
  • Fine
• Extrasensory Perception/Mana Sensor:
  • Infinite Perception/Reaction Speed (Via Extrasensory Perception/Mana Sensor; Users can search entire infinite universe in one second.)
  • We just consider the range for this, not the speed.
• Holy Manipulation (Mana users can use Mana to seal and prevent demons from using their demonic powers to cross between dimensions)
  • Again, they aren't literal demons. Similar to before, I do not consider this as "holy."
• Resurrection (Mana can be used to resurrect dead cells as in the case of Lord Transyl)
  • Mana was used as a power source for the machine. Mana alone wasn't used for the resurrection.
• Aura (Fear-inducing; Mana aura can cause horror to people, shown when Vilgax use lower power of Dagon's mana, able to make the Forever Knights afraid of him.)
  • The first link is just Dagon saying, "I cannot be destroyed."
  • If other staff are fine with it, sure.
• Dimensional Storage (Mana users have the ability to hide things in and out of books, shown here and here.)
  • Fine.
• Enhanced Senses
  • (Neutral Vision & High degree of X-Ray Vision; Mana users can see Esoterica through invisible parallel dimension between dimensions without use their mana)
    • Neutral Vision for Dimensional invisibility is fine.
    • Looking at the full clip, Gwen is using mana to see them.
    • What x-ray vision?
  • (Enhanced Awareness [more proof]; They can senses thoughts when it absorbed by Lucubra)
    • Do you mean, she can sense what the Lucubra does with thoughts?
• Fusionism & Hacking (Mana users can combine mana and technology, and possess ability to manipulated data to control mana, a essence of beings and even universe.)
  • This isn't Fusionism.
  • "hacking is the process of breaking into computers, robots, advanced artificial intelligences and/or software and taking control of the system." She is not depited doing this.
• Resistance to:
  • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation, Empathic Manipulation & Corruption (Both Types; Mana user can resist Darkstar's corruption, which make anyone become zombie and turn that attracted to him and control their minds after being drained)
    • If other staff are fine with it, sure.
  • Power Nullification (Mana users can't be affected by power negation, shown when Addwaitya still can use his Mana power even after Gwen nullifies it, and shown when Dagon can still use his spells even after Ascalon nullifies it.)
    • The binding spell isn't nullification, just restriction. It just prevents certain avenues of spellcasting.
    • Ascalon shouldn't have "Power Nullification." Power isn't being nullified. It's either restricted or sealed.
  • Age Manipulation & Time Manipulation (With Shield; Unaffected by Eon's time ray)
    • Fine
  • Pure Mana users would get 3 Layers Mana Manipulation due to:
    • 1 Layer: Rock Monster, an Golems was charmed by Charmcaster to be resist against Mana. Gwen an Mana user, can affect these Rock Monster, many times.
      • Link 1 does not depict the golem's resistance.
      • Using magic to make essentially a giant vacuum isn't using mana directly on the golems.
      • The third clip is fine.
    • 2 Layers: The Geochelone Aerios, an aliens have resistance to Mana, and they shown don't affect by Gwen's mana. Masters of mana like Gwen and Charmcaster after become more powerful, they can ues mana to affect Geochelone Aerios, like Galapagus and Addwaitya.
      • A standard Geochelone Aerios's resistance seems more directional based on how Gwen knocked Galapagus down with a curve shot.
      • It's not omnidirectional, unlike Aggregor's fusion state.
      • The attack on Addwaitya exploded, but it's unclear if he was actually harmed by it.
    • 3 Layers: Aggregor was absorbing a large amount of Geochelone Aerios, he became immune to Mana user's powers who are able to bypass Geochelone Aerios' resistance to mana.
      • Considering that he absorb a large amount of Geochelone Aerios' energy, so he has a higher immunity than Geochelone Aerios, and this will also apply to Ultimate Kevin, who absorbs the full power of Ultimate Aggregor. Mana users like Gwen and Darkstar are able to affect Ultimate Kevin,
        • Isn't what Kevin absorbed from Ult Aggregor still just a fraction of the original? If Ult Aggregor was basically immune, then it's reasonable that what Ultimate Kevin got had diminishing returns. Therefore, not as resistant to mana as Ultimate Aggregor.
      • and I must mention that Gwen's emotions and willpower were extremely strong, to the point that she broke free form Ultimate Kevin's absorption and pain effects.
        • Link is broken
• Dark Mana:
  • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation & Corruption (Boths Types [2 Layers; involving Mind, Soul and Life Erasure/Manipulation]; Dark Magic can corrupt entire beings in earth into Esoterica and control over mind, and remove/change their minds, souls and life. Capable of corrupting Mana users, who were capable of resisting the effects of Michael's corrupted. Able to control Gwen's mind, which that was inside her shield, who were capable of resisting the effects of Dagon's mind control.)
    • How do you know Life is being "Erased"?
    • The rest is fine.
• Rock Monster:
  • Automatic Translation (Rock Monster has the ability to translate and speak many languages.)
    • This is just the guy being a smart scribe, rather than Auto Translation.

Could you please check out this thread?

 

[FinePoint]

I mostly agree with Firestorm here.

I don't feel quite as strongly about the demon stuff.

I think that if the verse generally treats being a 'demon' as a significant thing, then it shouldn't matter if it's 'technically' an alien, since what 'demonic' even means varies so wildly from verse to verse.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I mostly agree with Firestorm here.

I don't feel quite as strongly about the demon stuff.

I think that if the verse generally treats being a 'demon' as a significant thing, then it shouldn't matter if it's 'technically' an alien, since what 'demonic' even means varies so wildly from verse to verse.

Ok, but can you please give input on this?

Can you give us your opinion on this?

 

[FinePoint]

Ok, but can you please give input on this?

Seeing someone in a completely different dimension is probably more like Extrasensory Perception, but otherwise that all seems fine to me.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Seeing someone in a completely different dimension is probably more like Extrasensory Perception, but otherwise that all seems fine to me.

She seeing them by see through an barrier between dimensions

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I see. In that case, is it even an Enhanced Senses feat?

It's is as she see beings through an object