Sukuna Vessel versus Chainsaw Man (Yuji vs Denji)

[GodEarh206]

Yuji Itadori vs Denji
Rule:
• SBA
• Battle took in Valhalla (Record of Ragnarok)
• "Post-Fear Boost" Denji and "Culling Game Arc" Yuji was used
• Speed was Equalized

Sukuna Vessel:
Chainsaw Man: @Arkenis, @CastoriceTheFifth
Superman solos both:

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Zod has nothing for regen, this is a stomp

 

[GodEarh206]

change to Yuji

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

uh how tf does yuji harm pochita

 

[Gamecooob]

Add a loss to both profiles

 

[GodEarh206]

uh how tf does yuji harm pochita

attack on the soul

 

[GodEarh206]

Add a loss to both profiles

good idea

 

[That_moron2]

DE diff

 

[GunshyFever]

DE diff

Elaborate on how it would get to that point

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

DE diff

Yuji doesn't start off with that

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Yuji gets cooked badly.
While Seperating Pochita from Denji via soul vudoo is a valid wincon, Yuji's shrine needs contact to work and it'd be hard to keep contact someone who one taps him (plus, with Pochita's skill, he won't just stand still). Yuji is ok at RCT on a good day so he'll be shredded.
Stomp match. If Yuji gets to town level, maybe we can try this again but likely not

 

[That_moron2]

Elaborate on how it would get to that point

Yuji doesn't start off with that

Why would Yuji not use it against someone far stronger than him? Literally the reason he used it in canon was because he was having trouble landing his soul dismantles

While Seperating Pochita from Denji via soul vudoo is a valid wincon, Yuji's shrine needs contact to work and it'd be hard to keep contact someone who one taps him (plus, with Pochita's skill, he won't just stand still).

If only he had something to make it so that his attacks would auto-hit…

Yuji is ok at RCT on a good day so he'll be shredded.

Yuji can re-attached severed limbs without RCT through Blood Manipulation, and with RCT healed like 5 separate fatal wounds. Without any healing at all Yuji could fight with a giant hole in his liver and only lost the fight when he got straight up punched through and still remained alive. Pochita has no shot of killing him before he can use Domain Expansion and just win

 

[Alexander]

Aren't Denji and Pochita supposed to be bound by a contract? How can Yuji break a contract?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

hmm. Yuji FRA
Somehow, I was convinced yuji can win despite the tier difference. Let's see how this goes

 

[That_moron2]

Aren't Denji and Pochita supposed to be bound by a contract? How can Yuji break a contract?

Yuji wouldn't be breaking the contract. He'd be killing Pochita by striking his soul directly

 

[Alexander]

Yuji wouldn't be breaking the contract. He'd be killing Pochita by striking his soul directly

do devils have souls?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

do devils have souls?

It's assumed everything has a soul unless stated not to as a general rule of the site, I think

 

[Alexander]

It's assumed everything has a soul unless stated not to as a general rule of the site, I think

but devils are just straight up things that embody concepts (or more, like fear of something).
and there is a ghost devil already

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yuji gets cooked badly.
While Seperating Pochita from Denji via soul vudoo is a valid wincon, Yuji's shrine needs contact to work and it'd be hard to keep contact someone who one taps him (plus, with Pochita's skill, he won't just stand still). Yuji is ok at RCT on a good day so he'll be shredded.
Stomp match. If Yuji gets to town level, maybe we can try this again but likely not

 

[Delusionaltx2]

but devils are just straight up things that embody concepts (or more, like fear of something).
and there is a ghost devil already

tbf devils aren't just concepts in csm, they also have other aspects of existence like being physical (their avatars I mean), so it wouldn't be outlandish to say they have some spiritual aspect as well i.e having a soul

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I can tell OP wants a pochita matchup today so i'll try looking for a good one

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Add a loss to both profiles

we don't add stomps

 

[Alexander]

tbf devils aren't just concepts in csm, they also have other aspects of existence like being physical (their avatars I mean), so it wouldn't be outlandish to say they have some spiritual aspect as well i.e having a soul

i am 200%sure that when Pochita eats a devil, everything related to that devil, even the concept is gone.
so yes, devils are concepts themselves and not just avatars for a concept.
and when he pukes them back, everything that was erased returns again.
yes, devils themselves can be remade but those count for human made concepts, explain to me HOW THE **** would you recreate death again

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

we don't add stomps

I'm pretty sure he's jonking

 

[Delusionaltx2]

i am 200%sure that when Pochita eats a devil, everything related to that devil, even the concept is gone.

The physical body and concept are shown to be effected yes but I don't remember it talking about other things like the soul here persay.

so yes, devils are concepts themselves and not just avatars for a concept.

ik i'm just using their avatars as a point of refference

pochita is in a similar situation in the sense that he also has a physical form so the same thing applies to him

 

[Alexander]

okay, but i still think they don't have souls, they have sentience, which is different

 

[Delusionaltx2]

okay, but i still think they don't have souls, they have sentience, which is different

And I'm saying if they sentience/some form of life what suggests they wouldn't have souls?


Sure, you can try to use the argument that they're never stated to however, that's kinda a flat argument if the verse doesn't dive into spiritual aspects much, if at all like how verses like CSM and HXH do, at that point it more like a situation where we don't know if they have a soul but since the soul is generally seen as a fundemental part of ones existence it would make sense to just assume they do anyway unless stuff points to them not having one.

 

[Alexander]

And I'm saying if they sentience/some form of life what suggests they wouldn't have souls?


Sure, you can try to use the argument that they're never stated to however, that's kinda a flat argument if the verse doesn't dive into spiritual aspects much, if at all like how verses like CSM and HXH do, at that point it more like a situation where we don't know if they have a soul but since the soul is generally seen as a fundemental part of ones existence it would make sense to just assume they do anyway unless stuff points to them not having one.

HXH is a bad comparison considering that its power system works based on your type and also how you manage to create your ability based on your mind, with some even going has far has to influence death.
CSM is literraly just "demons who embody concepts of reality"

 

[That_moron2]

Quoting Anonymous Learner's message as the reason for it being a stomp when the man himself not only conceded that it wasn't a stomp but that Yuji wins is crazy

 

[Delusionaltx2]

HXH is a bad comparison considering that its power system works based on your type

yeah as in your personality? That kinda kinda runs my point home no?

and also how you manage to create your ability based on your mind, with some even going has far has to influence death.
CSM is literraly just "demons who embody concepts of reality"

Exactly, the power system doesn't tell us anything about spiritual aspects here, so it's kinda weird to just say they don't have souls just because they don't tell us; therefore, an assumed basis would be needed for the verse.

The assumed basis in question is that they do, since one typically needs that to live, and things that don't need that to live are normally treated as very special cases in fiction.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Quoting Anonymous Learner's message as the reason for it being a stomp when the man himself not only conceded that it wasn't a stomp but that Yuji wins is crazy

I agree on the idea that yuji gets stomped

also, when did he concede

 

[That_moron2]

I agree on the idea that yuji gets stomped

also, when did he "concede"

hmm. Yuji FRA
Somehow, I was convinced yuji can win despite the tier difference. Let's see how this goes

Lowkey we could put Yuji against Part 2 Pochita and he'd still win for the reasons I outlined

 

[GodEarh206]

Yuji can re-attached severed limbs without RCT through Blood Manipulation, and with RCT healed like 5 separate fatal wounds. Without any healing at all Yuji could fight with a giant hole in his liver and only lost the fight when he got straight up punched through and still remained alive. Pochita has no shot of killing him before he can use Domain Expansion and just win

Pochita will usually cut off any part of the body, even the head as he did with Makima and Hell Devil (if I remember correctly), and once he cuts it off, he can eat it and end the fight. You see, if he starts far enough away, Pochita can use the chain to restrain him (whether it works or not) and once he catches Yuji, Yuji will immediately be cut into pieces.

I'm thinking about switching to Denji, which might give us a first win for Yuji.

 

[That_moron2]

Pochita will usually cut off any part of the body, even the head as he did with Makima and Hell Devil (if I remember correctly), and once he cuts it off, he can eat it and end the fight.

Speed is equal there's no way Yuji's just gonna let his head get cut off. Pochita could only do that to Makima and the Hell Devil because he was blitz levels faster

You see, if he starts far enough away, Pochita can use the chain to restrain him (whether it works or not) and once he catches Yuji, Yuji will immediately be cut into pieces.

Same as above, Yuji isn't going to let himself get restrained and then hacked into pieces instead of just using his Domain Expansion and winning

 

[GodEarh206]

Same as above, Yuji isn't going to let himself get restrained and then hacked into pieces instead of just using his Domain Expansion and winning

how do you fight back when you keep getting your limbs chopped off and the problem is you have to keep using RCT to reconnect them? whether you fight back or not, Yuji keeps getting his arms chopped off and then they regenerate and get chopped off again. I'm talking about arms, not heads, but basically just a basic slash is enough to get Yuji chopped in half, not even into pieces if you want.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Why would Yuji not use it against someone far stronger than him? Literally the reason he used it in canon was because he was having trouble landing his soul dismantles

he'd first have to reach that conclusion and to do that he'd have to fight pochita for a bit without soul hax

What makes this extremely bad is that pochita is not the type to job in fact he goes straight for blitz + decap so he would give yuji literally no time here

If only he had something to make it so that his attacks would auto-hit…

And if only he started with that option too...

Yuji can re-attached severed limbs without RCT through Blood Manipulation, and with RCT healed like 5 separate fatal wounds. Without any healing at all Yuji could fight with a giant hole in his liver and only lost the fight when he got straight up punched through and still remained alive. Pochita has no shot of killing him before he can use Domain Expansion and just win

This isn't just a matter of endurance, it's a matter of that and recovery. Pochita is gonna be swarming him down with over the top movements and chains backed with a gargantuan LS advantage that would end yuji if he even things about interacting with them, for yuji to walk out of that; he would need to not only be capable of reattaching his limbs quickly while in close quarters but also do it in a way that doesn't leave him vulnerable. Think of Pochita moving like deku here while yuji is shigaraki except instead of bludgening him he'd be cutting him open with chainsaws instead.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I'd also like to add that RCT is known to take a f*** ton of cursed energy, and Yujis RCT is only okay, it isn't as spammable as Yuta, who just has that much reserves, that's why mid shinjuku he straight up stops using RCT to heal certain wounds to conserve energy, losing limbs at an extremely quick rate will get to him, in fact even if we WERE to say yuji could survive that, he'd be in such terrible condition, I'd argue he'd either never land a hit on someone like pochita or pochita just binds him anyway to abuse his opponents now noticeably diminished reactions from overexerting himself.

there's also the possibility Pochita just does this as he's cutting him and ends the fight right then and there as well

 

[GodEarh206]

Change to Denji

 

[GodEarh206]

there's also possibility Pochita just does this as he's cutting him and ends the fight right then and there as well

The interesting thing is that Pochita always aims for the head, which when cut off Yuji will die.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Change to Denji

you linked denjis profile to yuji