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Sukuna Vessel versus Chainsaw Man (Yuji vs Denji)

how do you fight back when you keep getting your limbs chopped off and the problem is you have to keep using RCT to reconnect them? whether you fight back or not, Yuji keeps getting his arms chopped off and then they regenerate and get chopped off again. I'm talking about arms, not heads, but basically just a basic slash is enough to get Yuji chopped in half, not even into pieces if you want.
Look at it this way
Yuji goes for close combat as he does>Realizes Pochita is much stronger than him when his punches don't work or Pochita manages to cut through him>Domain Expansion
he'd first have to reach that conclusion and to do that he'd have to fight pochita for a bit without soul hax
Yuji realized he couldn't beat Mahito hand-to-hand as soon as he hit him, he realized he couldn't beat Yuta in a straight fight as soon as Yuta moved and switched to non-standard tactics.
What makes this extremely bad is that pochita is not the type to job in fact he goes straight for blitz + decap so he would give yuji literally no time here
Speed equal so Pochita going for a blitz just straight up won't work, especially when Yuji has dealt with speed gaps like against Choso
And if only he started with that option too...
Yuji swapped tactics against Yuta the instant he figured out Yuta had an advantage. He used domain even though he didn't he know he could after figuring out that just going with his usual punch and kick wouldn't work. Yuji isn't just going to not use domain for no reason
This isn't just a matter of endurance, it's a matter of that and recovery. Pochita is gonna be swarming him down with over the top movements and chains backed with a gargantuan LS advantage that would end yuji if he even things about interacting with them
Quit acting like Pochita can just blitz him and be done, Pochita using over the top moves is really bad for him because it means he'll be leaving himself open and taking a long time to reset movements
he would need to not only be capable of reattaching his limbs quickly while in close quarters but also do it in a way that doesn't leave him vulnerable. Think of Pochita moving like deku here while yuji is shigaraki except instead of bludgening him he'd be cutting him open with chainsaws instead.
Problem here is that Deku was a blitz level faster than Shigaraki which is not the case for Pochita against Yuji. Yuji getting in close at all is an assumption when he can recognize even a relatively small gap in stats from a glance, is very much not above running away if it gives him the advantage, and has far more experience and feats in combat against people relative with him in stats.
I'd also like to add that RCT is known to take a f*** ton of cursed energy, and Yujis RCT is only okay, it isn't as spammable as Yuta, who just has that much reserves, that's why mid shinjuku he straight up stops using RCT to heal certain wounds to conserve energy, losing limbs at an extremely quick rate will get to him, in fact even if we WERE to say yuji could survive that, he'd be in such terrible condition, I'd argue he'd either never land a hit on someone like pochita or pochita just binds him anyway to abuse his opponents now noticeably diminished reactions from overexerting himself.

there's also the possibility Pochita just does this as he's cutting him and ends the fight right then and there as well
Yuji's RCT cost is only half that of most characters, and Blood Manipulation stiching isn't costly at all because he could do it long after he stopped using RCT. Yuji stopped using RCT mid way into Shinjuku because at that point he'd taken like 5 fatal injuries. Healing a limb once or twice won't stop him from using Domain Expansion
 
Yuji realized he couldn't beat Mahito hand-to-hand as soon as he hit him, he realized he couldn't beat Yuta in a straight fight as soon as Yuta moved and switched to non-standard tactics.
whether you realize it or not, the head is still cut off, what makes you think Yuji will block it? raising his arm, the arm and the head are both cut off.

Quit acting like Pochita can just blitz him and be done, Pochita using over the top moves is really bad for him because it means he'll be leaving himself open and taking a long time to reset movements
How extreme is that? Pochita just sawed it off and that was it. You mean Yuji would take the head and reattach it as soon as it was cut off? Has that happened yet? Unfortunately not.

Yuji swapped tactics against Yuta the instant he figured out Yuta had an advantage. He used domain even though he didn't he know he could after figuring out that just going with his usual punch and kick wouldn't work. Yuji isn't just going to not use domain for no reason
As above, head flying and head eating is the end
 
I'm ngl, Yuji is NOT getting tagged by Denji in ANY capacity. When it was Pochita? Sure, I could be lenient and say maybe, but Denji ain't shit 😭

Denji's going to be wondering why Yuji is weaving all his shit while getting laid out.
 
Okay take everything I said about Yuji beating Pochita but make it so that Pochita is missing his extra arms, is far less skilled, far less agile, and is weaker than Yuji by a large margin.
I took Culling Game Yuji, so he doesn't have DE, but it seems Yuji has quite the advantage here
 
Also this is going to bother me till I die. Can people STOP making Anime renders the MAIN pictures for Manga character's when you open the page? I don't want to see these **** ass anime renders, 99.99% of them look worse than the Manga, and even when they aren't, the manga is the SOURCE MATERIAL. This is like using a manga render for something that was an anime first like Gurren Lagaan.
 
whether you realize it or not, the head is still cut off, what makes you think Yuji will block it? raising his arm, the arm and the head are both cut off.
What are you even trying to say here? The point I was making is that Yuji will know not to try to beat Pochita by using his fists.
How extreme is that? Pochita just sawed it off and that was it. You mean Yuji would take the head and reattach it as soon as it was cut off? Has that happened yet? Unfortunately not.
Did you read a thing I said? I was arguing that Yuji can avoid getting his head cut off. Everything I said about RCT and Blood Manipulation is in the more likely event he loses a limb, which is a signficantly easier thing to do than chop off the head
As above, head flying and head eating is the end
Yuji is never getting his head cut off. Read what I said again
 
Did you read a thing I said? I was arguing that Yuji can avoid getting his head cut off. Everything I said about RCT and Blood Manipulation is in the more likely event he loses a limb, which is a signficantly easier thing to do than chop off the head
so did you read it too? i said yuji's hand and head will be chopped off at the same time if yuji blocks and dodges? how to dodge when pochita's LS is better with the chains. i said, even if you dodge, yuji's body will still be there, pochita just needs to do it, understand what i mean? saw him. and now i ask, how do you plan to make yuji dodge?
 
Also this is going to bother me till I die. Can people STOP making Anime renders the MAIN pictures for Manga character's when you open the page? I don't want to see these **** ass anime renders, 99.99% of them look worse than the Manga, and even when they aren't, the manga is the SOURCE MATERIAL. This is like using a manga render for something that was an anime first like Gurren Lagaan
JJK anime > JJK manga
 
so did you read it too? i said yuji's hand and head will be chopped off at the same time if yuji blocks and dodges? how to dodge when pochita's LS is better with the chains. i said, even if you dodge, yuji's body will still be there, pochita just needs to do it, understand what i mean? saw him. and now i ask, how do you plan to make yuji dodge?
What does Lifting Strength have to do with not being able to dodge smth? I'm kinda confused.
 
I took Culling Game Yuji, so he doesn't have DE, but it seems Yuji has quite the advantage here
CG Yuji is at the A.P disadvantage here, since his A.P is 124.2 Tons vs Denji's 443.66 Tons. That said, Yuji is a much better fighter and the mechanics of CE mean that a good blow from Yuji ends the fight because Denji has no answer to Curse Manipulation
 
JJK anime > JJK manga
I hope I'm not one of the few who disagree. Season 1 of the Anime was way worse than the Manga, and Season 2 was good, but did things worse than the Manga overall (With some parts that were cool/improvements). But the art of the manga is still better.
 
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so did you read it too? i said yuji's hand and head will be chopped off at the same time if yuji blocks and dodges?
How will Yuji's hand and head be chopped off if Yuji dodges?
how to dodge when pochita's LS is better with the chains.
What does Pochita's Lifting Strength have to do with Yuji's ability to dodge? You're acting like Yuji will start the fight with Pochita's chains wrapped around him
i said, even if you dodge, yuji's body will still be there, pochita just needs to do it, understand what i mean? saw him. and now i ask, how do you plan to make yuji dodge?
What do you mean even if you dodge Yuji's body will still be there and Pochita just needs to do it? To dodge is to get out of the way, no Yuji's body won't still be there. How do I plan to make Yuji dodge? He moves out of the way, that's extremely simple
 
Look at it this way
Yuji goes for close combat as he does>Realizes Pochita is much stronger than him when his punches don't work or Pochita manages to cut through him>Domain Expansion

Yuji realized he couldn't beat Mahito hand-to-hand as soon as he hit him,
because he had an idea of Mahito's regen
he realized he couldn't beat Yuta in a straight fight as soon as Yuta moved and switched to non-standard tactics.
he fought yuta a good bit before that he has at least yutas stats and established capabilities to work with
Speed equal so Pochita going for a blitz just straight up won't work, especially when Yuji has dealt with speed gaps like against Choso
While true Pochita tends to yoink himself with chains to enhance his movement, said chains, mind you are backed with class G physicals if someone like yuji who is used to being physically above the enemy tries to grapple them he's getting cooked.
Yuji swapped tactics against Yuta the instant he figured out Yuta had an advantage.
which isn't near as fast as the amount of time it takes for pochita to cut yujis head off

then theres also conceptual EE that pochita can use if he sees yuji regenerate one or two limbs by cutting the next one and biting down on it
He used domain even though he didn't he know he could after figuring out that just going with his usual punch and kick wouldn't work. Yuji isn't just going to not use domain for no reason
we're talking about a situation where itadori has Just started the fight and doesn't know to use soul attacks it took yuta,maki,miguel, yuta again, itadori multiple times, todo, and a bunch of other people fighting sukuna for an extended period of time before he used domain expansion domain is basically a non factor to the points I mentioned.
Quit acting like Pochita can just blitz him and be done,
I said pochita leads with an attempt to blitz and kill
Pochita using over the top moves is really bad for him because it means he'll be leaving himself open and taking a long time to reset movements
over the top moves...as in his insane acrobatics showings that other characters have trouble dealing with even when he's depowered enough to the point they can react to him
Problem here is that Deku was a blitz level faster than Shigaraki which is not the case for Pochita against Yuji.
This dosen't stop yuji from getting picked up by chains whatsoever
Yuji getting in close at all is an assumption
We're saying yuji itadori getting up close and personal with his opponent at the start of the fight is an assumption....do i need to pull out the countless examples that say this isn't the case?
when he can recognize even a relatively small gap in stats from a glance, is very much not above running away if it gives him the advantage, and has far more experience and feats in combat against people relative with him in stats.
Usually he can sense the opponents cursed energy to get an idea of how strong they are but pochita dosen't have that nor does he have a power system you can equate to that so yuji would get caught off guard the same way sorcerers are normally caught off guard by the strength of a heavenly restriction user without knowledge on how exactly strong they physically are (look at ino getting blized by toji as an example)
Yuji's RCT cost is only half that of most characters, and Blood Manipulation stiching isn't costly at all because he could do it long after he stopped using RCT.
yuji is very new to using blood manipulation at this point and isn't as good at is as someone like choso for example so stitching would be harder for him. half of what most characters struggle to pull of while isn't too much, isn't neligable either which is important since we're having yuji regenerating multiple limbs and/or injuries to his vital organs here.
Yuji stopped using RCT mid way into Shinjuku because at that point he'd taken like 5 fatal injuries.
fair point in regards to if he'd get tired or not before he can do anything, this still effect my other points tho like how his RCT would need an insanly fast healing speed to heal his limbs as pochita is cutting them down (assuming he isn't going for the head)
Healing a limb once or twice won't stop him from using Domain Expansion
But pulling the in character move of cutting his head off while zooming around him with acrobatics from chains 100% will
 
Voting for Pochita, this is kinda setting Yuji up for failure but Pochita has been taking alot of loses lately, so I'll take it.
 
Change to Denji
May as well tackle my opinion on this

yuji is above average - gifted compared to normal martial artists, meanwhile if we compare skill denji would be a fair bit above average due to his creativity at this point

I don't think denji has dealt with someone that has martial arts skill like yuji, although he could make up for it by utilizing unorthadox tactics that pair well with his LS difference, so it's not a total stomp, although yuji will be landing most of the hits here

Speaking of which, this kinda reminds me of this fight here
 
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because he had an idea of Mahito's regen
????? Mahito can't regen Yuji's hits. Yuji couldn't beat Mahito in hand-to-hand because of ISBoDK
he fought yuta a good bit before that he has at least yutas stats and established capabilities to work with
No he didn't. As soon as Yuta destroyed the bridge (before a blow had even been through) Yuji was fighting completely differently from his norm.
we're talking about a situation where itadori has Just started the fight and doesn't know to use soul attacks it took yuta,maki,miguel, yuta again, itadori multiple times, todo, and a bunch of other people fighting sukuna for an extended period of time before he used domain expansion domain is basically a non factor to the points I mentioned.
This is only because Yuji didn't awaken until over halfway in, and wasn't able to use Domain until even later than that.
I said pochita leads with an attempt to blitz and kill
Leading with something is not the same as being able to pull it off
over the top moves...as in his insane acrobatics showings that other characters have trouble dealing with even when he's depowered enough to the point they can react to him
I know what you meant by over the top moves, those acrobatics and wide swings won't be effective against someone like Yuji for the reasons I outlined, nor will they stop him from making a hand sign and saying a few words
This dosen't stop yuji from getting picked up by chains whatsoever
Yuji has avoided attacks like Pochita's chains before such as in his first fight with Mahito
We're saying yuji itadori getting up close and personal with his opponent at the start of the fight is an assumption....do i need to pull out the countless examples that say this isn't the case?
I didn't say that Yuji doesn't start with getting up close, I said that if Yuji is up against someone far stronger than he is he won't be stupid and try to punch him to death
Usually he can sense the opponents cursed energy to get an idea of how strong they are but pochita dosen't have that nor does he have a power system you can equate to that so yuji would get caught off guard the same way sorcerers are normally caught off guard by the strength of a heavenly restriction user without knowledge on how exactly strong they physically are (look at ino getting blized by toji as an example)
Being able to tell Cursed Energy amount has never been a sure way to judge the strength of an opponent. Yuji's judgement that Yuta was stronger than he was wasn't made off of his CE amount, rather he concluded it from seeing Yuta's strength in action.
yuji is very new to using blood manipulation at this point and isn't as good at is as someone like choso for example so stitching would be harder for him. half of what most characters struggle to pull of while isn't too much, isn't neligable either which is important since we're having yuji regenerating multiple limbs and/or injuries to his vital organs here.
We literally see an exhausted Yuji near instantly stitch a limb back on after getting it cut off by MS
fair point in regards to if he'd get tired or not before he can do anything, this still effect my other points tho like how his RCT would need an insanly fast healing speed to heal his limbs as pochita is cutting them down (assuming he isn't going for the head)
No one is arguing Pochita isn't going for the head I'm arguing Pochita won't be able to cut off his head before Yuji uses DE
But pulling the in character move of cutting his head off while zooming around him with acrobatics from chains 100% will
Already explained why using acrobatics here is a stupid idea
 
Make it so Yuji vs Denji but they can switch to Sukuna vs Pochita fr
 
????? Mahito can't regen Yuji's hits. Yuji couldn't beat Mahito in hand-to-hand because of ISBoDK
He can it's just that he strugles too

For example, here we can see that this punch causes blatant internal damage yet mahito just splits himself down then heals himself later
ofc he's not completely healed but he's shown to be in much better condition than he was at the moment of impact along with the fact he can do things like stop his bleeding here as well.
No he didn't. As soon as Yuta destroyed the bridge (before a blow had even been through) Yuji was fighting completely differently from his norm.
I'm talking about the moment the fight between them started, in which both of them started by dodging and analyzing each other
This is only because Yuji didn't awaken until over halfway in, and wasn't able to use Domain until even later than that.
Ok? Domain expansions are still regarded in verse as too risky to use due to the sheer amount of cursed energy used for a sorcerer (in this case yuji)
Leading with something is not the same as being able to pull it off
You haven't given a good reason to why pochita wouldn't be able to pull it off between better acrobatics, better mobility, extended melee range on yujis normal melee range since its his chansaws vs yujis fists, and class G ls that ends the fight the second yuji tries to grapple anything which he will at some point
I know what you meant by over the top moves, those acrobatics and wide swings won't be effective against someone like Yuji for the reasons I outlined, nor will they stop him from making a hand sign and saying a few words
Groups of people comparable to trained merceneries or above, backed by someone who has prior knowledge of pochita, get completely manhandled by this and the reasons you outlighted don't add up since yuji will first have to last long enough to realize "Hmm...physical attacks don't work on him" for anything you said to be a factor
Yuji has avoided attacks like Pochita's chains before such as in his first fight with Mahito
sorry but when has mahito used similar attacks while physically launching and flipping around him
I didn't say that Yuji doesn't start with getting up close, I said that if Yuji is up against someone far stronger than he is he won't be stupid and try to punch him to death
And I'm saying he'd have to figure that out first, which would need to be immediately, else he gets chopped in half or just decapitated.
Being able to tell Cursed Energy amount has never been a sure way to judge the strength of an opponent. Yuji's judgement that Yuta was stronger than he was wasn't made off of his CE amount, rather he concluded it from seeing Yuta's strength in action.
Yeah...his strength which is backed up by cursed energy...
We literally see an exhausted Yuji near instantly stitch a limb back on after getting it cut off by MS
Does he ever do something like this while sukuna is getting ready to get rid of the next one
No one is arguing Pochita isn't going for the head I'm arguing Pochita won't be able to cut off his head before Yuji uses DE
And i'm saying that between acrobatics, LS, chain mobility, conceptual EE, his extra set of limbs and range advantage yuji never gets to this point
Already explained why using acrobatics here is a stupid idea
Yuji the second he walks into this thinking its mahito
 
Why switch to Denji when there are genuine arguments for Yuji here? (Plus I kinda wanted to make that match myself 🥺)
 
Personally think Yuji's final key should wait to be used for some changes (I think he might get some LS upgrades, tho AP I dunno)
Should I probably wait to make the match then?
Cause yuji would die kinda quickly

Make it yuta or kashimo instead and I think it becomes interesting
Usually, I'd agree to this. But I learnt even if the win gap is small you can still have it added, hence with Superman vs Pochita.
 
Should I probably wait to make the match then?
I dunno when the changes will go through, but Yuji should be Class M even at the beginning of the series, and Shinjuku Showdown Yuji should be at least Class G (Maybe higher depending on some scaling). AP-wise, I dunno, this wiki kinda sucks so it could either get downgraded or upgraded. You never know with JJK on this website, lol.
 
Anyways, now that it's CG Yuji V. PFB Denji, I feel Denji got it, high diff
Crazy endurance, crazy Regen, and Roughly 4x ap against a yuji with no healing factor, it's overs.
I feel the matchup would be more fair if it was Post-Broadcast Denji since they'd be closer in AP
 
I dunno when the changes will go through, but Yuji should be Class M even at the beginning of the series, and Shinjuku Showdown Yuji should be at least Class G (Maybe higher depending on some scaling). AP-wise, I dunno, this wiki kinda sucks so it could either get downgraded or upgraded. You never know with JJK on this website, lol.
All of JJK on this wiki is a mess and I hope that it’s fixed someday even though it won’t be
 
Anyways, now that it's CG Yuji V. PFB Denji, I feel Denji got it, high diff
Crazy endurance, crazy Regen, and Roughly 4x ap against a yuji with no healing factor, it's overs.
I feel the matchup would be more fair if it was Post-Broadcast Denji since they'd be closer in AP
Chill, I had a match pre-made for these exact keys months ago. Except it was Shibuya Yuji considering it's the key that's most likely not gonna be affected by changes apart from LS.
 
Yuji Itadori vs Denji
Rule:
• SBA
• Battle took in Valhalla (Record of Ragnarok)
• "Post-Fear Boost" Denji and "Culling Game Arc" Yuji was used
• Speed was Equalized

Sukuna Vessel:
Chainsaw Man:
Superman solos both:
both link to Denji?

anyway Yuji should hold a pretty good advantage in both skill and Denji should have better range aswell since Yuji doesnt get the wire in this key (its not standard equipment)

Yuji's best bet would be constantly weaving, dodging and prolonging the fight until the hax begins ******* with denji more and more and trying to do multiple divergent fists and black-flash (which might not be likely)

doesnt help that I dont remember the 8-A feat for Yuji atm but pretty sure its around 100 tons so any hit denji does will **** Yuji up
 
both link to Denji?

anyway Yuji should hold a pretty good advantage in both skill and Denji should have better range aswell since Yuji doesnt get the wire in this key (its not standard equipment)

Yuji's best bet would be constantly weaving, dodging and prolonging the fight until the hax begins ******* with denji more and more and trying to do multiple divergent fists and black-flash (which might not be likely)

doesnt help that I dont remember the 8-A feat for Yuji atm but pretty sure its around 100 tons so any hit denji does will **** Yuji up
Yuji scales to >124.22565 Tons
Denji scales to >443.66 tons of TNT
How is Yuji makin up the difference when Denji has roughly 4x ap advantage without chainsaws (with chainsaws, he upscales that to a oneshot degree), insane endurance, and a crazy healing factor
 
Yuji scales to >124.22565 Tons
Denji scales to >443.66 tons of TNT
How is Yuji makin up the difference when Denji has roughly 4x ap advantage without chainsaws (with chainsaws, he upscales that to a oneshot degree), insane endurance, and a crazy healing factor
Yuji should outskill pretty well

Im not saying that hes gonna do well w the AP and LS disadvantage since he has to be an annoying mosquito basically and make sure he doesnt get hit (which is still difficult

Yujis best bet is to dodge everything and try to land blows so that the curse and pain manip will eventually get him, basically cheesing denji
 
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