Gon Fight The King of Curse

[GodEarh206]

Gon Freecss vs Ryomen Sukuna
Rule:
• Speed was Equalized
• SBA
• Battle took in Tokyo
• "Adult" Gon and "Full Power" Sukuna were used

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Goku solos both:

 

[GodEarh206]

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[Bimbitesthedust]

following and I will give an input soon

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Ok so lets look at both advantages

Sukuna

General CE fuckery

1. better LS (Class G vs Class M)
2. CE passives such as pain manip, curse manip, minor mind manip, etc are things Gon doesnt seem to resist on a hax level (immense pain tolerance could somewhat work against it but it doesn't completely counter due to the nature of pain manip in jjk)
3. seems to be equal in h2h though Gon could still catchup and use reactive power level against it) and maybe better battle iq
4. resists Ren passively (Gon's not as strong with it as say Hisoka and Gon doesn't normally use it in character Iirc)
5. Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis can be used due to how CE and Nen can be similar in concept (Gon also has analytical prediction but Sukuna has a bit of an edge with limited information analysis)
6. Better Experience
7. Statistics Amplification, Rage Power, Empowerment, Accelerated Development can help Sukuna somewhat catchup up against Adult Gon physically as he can be empowered through emotions, can improve in battle overtime with the consequences (like the ap disadvantage)
8. Black Flash might be more common since the stakes in this fight are much more extreme (Gon is much more physically powerful, etc)
9. Better Regeneration (can grow back limbs, instantly, etc)
10. Damage Reduction can help against the ap disadvantage on Gon's physical punches (not much w the nen attack since stuff like Rock, Ryu and Ko can oneshot him)

Sukuna Specific fuckery

1. Shrine can adapt to hurt Gon more via Cleave
2. Heavy Danmaku with dismantle which makes Sukunas range better in that sense
3. Shrine allows for the CE passives to kick in aswell
4. Shrine seems to be a layer or invisibility above Nen users so Gon might not even see Sukuna's slashes
5. Divine Flame while only a bit weaker than Adult Gon with no Ryu and Ko, does target the entire body due to it being a massive thermobaric explosion and having massive AOE and it being fire, explosion and shockwave manip which Gon doesnt resist. Ryu and Ko from what I remember normally protects certain parts of the body with Nen. However Ken does counter well since its primarily defensive, covering the entire body, however if Sukuna can trick Gon with Fuga he might some dmg w fire and explosion
6. Sukuna has superior mobility by being able to blast around Gon in the air with CE explosions.
7. His fear manip might scare gon since it can scare curses that have Fear aura however it might not be as good since its instinctively to survive so either Gon jumps back or he rushes in to try and kill Sukuna (basically its not too crazy)
8. Technique Mimicry? Not sure how well Nen stuff translates to CE for stuff like Technique Mimicry to work in comparison to say analytical prediction
9. Genius Intelligence may help Sukuna figure out Gons stuff pretty well and efficiently due to the nature of Gon's simplicity
10. Enhanced Energy projection may help Sukuna block Scissors more easily however it might not be as effective due to it
11. Domain Expansion. This attack will help Sukuna alot in doing chip to adjusted damage w Cleave and obv will lead to Divine Flame/Fuga. Massive Range, millions of cuts hitting Gon, Since Sukuna might be able to know that Gon is a strong ************ he may have a better chance to distance himself via Domain danmaku and ce explosions
12. possible soul manip via shrine which could help Sukuna greatly in damaging Gon since I dont think Hxh characters resist Soul Manip so thats on the table
13. Kamutoke exists so he can shoot electricity or lightning or whatever
14. Binding Vows

Adult Gon

General Nen Fuckery

1. Zetsu could work in hiding Gons stuff which can **** with Sukunas Information Analysis and Analytical prediction but he doenst hide forever and so for moving in it might work well. However once aura comes in it activates so its like a QTE for Sukuna basically but if Gon uses it in battle it might work but its risky since its stuck to physicals which makes Sukunas attacks easier
2. Mobility can be enhanced so while he isnt better than Sukunas pseudo flight, he can jump high enough to try and catch Sukuna
3. Im not sure on what Nen has in store for the fight since CE has similar hax or has ways to counter

Gon Specific Fuckery

1. Obvious Ap advantage (3.35x advantage w physicals, 33.50x with Ryu and Ko, obv higher w Fully charged Jajanken). Main thing to note is that Gon goes for cqc normally and if he punches sukuna, even with base physicals it will hurt and Ryu and Ko ******* murders him in one blow
2. Gon can go band for band in analytical prediction since he does have that (granted no information analysis but his seems to not require energy sensing)
3. Shockwave Generation by merely charging up attacks can **** up Sukuna if hes close enough to it
4. Reactive Power Level - honestly what I think is one of Gon's best abilities as it allows him to catchup with Sukuna in Battle Iq and Skill which makes CQC much more worrying for the King of Curses given the ap advantage
5. Gon also has awakened power and empowerement
6. Gon has longer ranged attacks (though I dont remember it going that far) so he technically does in this wiki

This is the list so far as I can see and its been a bit since I last saw HxH (last ep I watched was around chairman election arc) so Im a bit rusty w it but Gons stuff is much simpler than Sukunas so its basically Sukuna playing dark souls

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I will make a comment later. Sukuna kills the fella

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

I will make a comment later. Sukuna kills the fella

I think it basically becomes to Sukuna playing the long game and using the properties of CE with his own fuckery to overwhelm Adult Gon as an annoying mosquito

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's funny how Sukuna probably wins against Gon but loses horrendously to Neferpitou.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

but loses horrendously to Neferpitou.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Layered Nen Crush just be like that, especially on someone who actively goes out of their way to use it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gotta kill that Nen crush bullshit once and for all

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Gotta kill that Nen crush bullshit once and for all

Good luck, it's feats are a lot more clear cut than some other passive win powers are. I mean that legitimately by the way, I hate Nen Crush too because it kills all the fun matchups like Battle Spirit does for Demon Slayer or Reiatsu Crush does fot Bleach.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Good luck, it's feats are a lot more clear cut than some other passive win powers are

I'm aware of the feats

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm aware of the feats

IT WAS YOU!

 

[Kachon123]

Lmaooo

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

It's funny how Sukuna probably wins against Gon but loses horrendously to Neferpitou.

thats how inverse works sometimes

Adult Gon could kill Neferpitou but loses to Sukuna due to how he transfers crossverse but Neferpitou and the royal guards can **** with Sukuna via Nen Crush (he could resist their stuff outside of age manip and madness manip)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Sukuna FRA

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Mommyleona]

Reactive Power Level

About that, isnt the whole point of adult gon transformation reaching his peak potential in exchange for his life force?

Gon has longer ranged attacks

Uhh does he? im not sure where kilometers in range come from on gon's profile, but i dont think he ever really uses them in character anyway even if there are some

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

im not sure where kilometers in range come from on gon's profile

He sent an ant to another country in one punch. Not very useful in combat tho since it happened once lmao

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

About that, isnt the whole point of adult gon transformation reaching his peak potential in exchange for his life force?

Uhh does he? im not sure where kilometers in range come from on gon's profile, but i dont think he ever really uses them in character anyway even if there are some

yeah realizing that rn, it does techincally take that away

the range thing might be what life of King says, the post was made when I was looking at both profiles since its been a fat minute since I got back on Hxh (I was around the chairman election arc)

 

[Machmatej]

Nen crush?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Nen crush?

doesnt work much since it relies on Ren Iirc

additionally gon doesnt use ren often like Hisoka and other users like the royal guards and the adult form usually just goes to beating his opponents to death with brute force

 

[Machmatej]

doesnt work much since it relies on Ren Iirc

additionally gon doesnt use ren often like Hisoka and other users like the royal guards and the adult form usually just goes to beating his opponents to death with brute force

Fair enough. What's stopping Gon from vaporizing Sukuna with a fully charged Jajanken tho?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Fair enough. What's stopping Gon from vaporizing Sukuna with a fully charged Jajanken tho?

generally from what I see

SBA puts them decently far from each other due to range of attacks and Sukuna has stuff like Danmaku, etc to **** with Gon. Additionally due to the nature of CE and Nen, Sukuna does have things like analytical prediction and information analysis to get sparks n stuff to dodge Gon's stuff more easily.

Ok so lets look at both advantages

Sukuna

General CE fuckery

1. better LS (Class G vs Class M)
2. CE passives such as pain manip, curse manip, minor mind manip, etc are things Gon doesnt seem to resist on a hax level (immense pain tolerance could somewhat work against it but it doesn't completely counter due to the nature of pain manip in jjk)
3. seems to be equal in h2h though Gon could still catchup and use reactive power level against it) and maybe better battle iq
4. resists Ren passively (Gon's not as strong with it as say Hisoka and Gon doesn't normally use it in character Iirc)
5. Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis can be used due to how CE and Nen can be similar in concept (Gon also has analytical prediction but Sukuna has a bit of an edge with limited information analysis)
6. Better Experience
7. Statistics Amplification, Rage Power, Empowerment, Accelerated Development can help Sukuna somewhat catchup up against Adult Gon physically as he can be empowered through emotions, can improve in battle overtime with the consequences (like the ap disadvantage)
8. Black Flash might be more common since the stakes in this fight are much more extreme (Gon is much more physically powerful, etc)
9. Better Regeneration (can grow back limbs, instantly, etc)
10. Damage Reduction can help against the ap disadvantage on Gon's physical punches (not much w the nen attack since stuff like Rock, Ryu and Ko can oneshot him)

Sukuna Specific fuckery

1. Shrine can adapt to hurt Gon more via Cleave
2. Heavy Danmaku with dismantle which makes Sukunas range better in that sense
3. Shrine allows for the CE passives to kick in aswell
4. Shrine seems to be a layer or invisibility above Nen users so Gon might not even see Sukuna's slashes
5. Divine Flame while only a bit weaker than Adult Gon with no Ryu and Ko, does target the entire body due to it being a massive thermobaric explosion and having massive AOE and it being fire, explosion and shockwave manip which Gon doesnt resist. Ryu and Ko from what I remember normally protects certain parts of the body with Nen. However Ken does counter well since its primarily defensive, covering the entire body, however if Sukuna can trick Gon with Fuga he might some dmg w fire and explosion
6. Sukuna has superior mobility by being able to blast around Gon in the air with CE explosions.
7. His fear manip might scare gon since it can scare curses that have Fear aura however it might not be as good since its instinctively to survive so either Gon jumps back or he rushes in to try and kill Sukuna (basically its not too crazy)
8. Technique Mimicry? Not sure how well Nen stuff translates to CE for stuff like Technique Mimicry to work in comparison to say analytical prediction
9. Genius Intelligence may help Sukuna figure out Gons stuff pretty well and efficiently due to the nature of Gon's simplicity
10. Enhanced Energy projection may help Sukuna block Scissors more easily however it might not be as effective due to it
11. Domain Expansion. This attack will help Sukuna alot in doing chip to adjusted damage w Cleave and obv will lead to Divine Flame/Fuga. Massive Range, millions of cuts hitting Gon, Since Sukuna might be able to know that Gon is a strong ************ he may have a better chance to distance himself via Domain danmaku and ce explosions
12. possible soul manip via shrine which could help Sukuna greatly in damaging Gon since I dont think Hxh characters resist Soul Manip so thats on the table
13. Kamutoke exists so he can shoot electricity or lightning or whatever
14. Binding Vows

Adult Gon

General Nen Fuckery

1. Zetsu could work in hiding Gons stuff which can **** with Sukunas Information Analysis and Analytical prediction but he doenst hide forever and so for moving in it might work well. However once aura comes in it activates so its like a QTE for Sukuna basically but if Gon uses it in battle it might work but its risky since its stuck to physicals which makes Sukunas attacks easier
2. Mobility can be enhanced so while he isnt better than Sukunas pseudo flight, he can jump high enough to try and catch Sukuna
3. Im not sure on what Nen has in store for the fight since CE has similar hax or has ways to counter

Gon Specific Fuckery

1. Obvious Ap advantage (3.35x advantage w physicals, 33.50x with Ryu and Ko, obv higher w Fully charged Jajanken). Main thing to note is that Gon goes for cqc normally and if he punches sukuna, even with base physicals it will hurt and Ryu and Ko ******* murders him in one blow
2. Gon can go band for band in analytical prediction since he does have that (granted no information analysis but his seems to not require energy sensing)
3. Shockwave Generation by merely charging up attacks can **** up Sukuna if hes close enough to it
4. Reactive Power Level - honestly what I think is one of Gon's best abilities as it allows him to catchup with Sukuna in Battle Iq and Skill which makes CQC much more worrying for the King of Curses given the ap advantage
5. Gon also has awakened power and empowerement
6. Gon has longer ranged attacks (though I dont remember it going that far) so he technically does in this wiki

This is the list so far as I can see and its been a bit since I last saw HxH (last ep I watched was around chairman election arc) so Im a bit rusty w it but Gons stuff is much simpler than Sukunas so its basically Sukuna playing dark souls

Sukuna has like alot of passive stuff to help him basically be that really annoying mosquito so its basically somewhat hax vs brute power

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Gon in skills scales to Luffy
Luffy outskills JJK as a whole

So Gon outskills

 

[Mommyleona]

He sent an ant to another country in one punch

that counts as range?

 

[Mommyleona]

Fair enough. What's stopping Gon from vaporizing Sukuna with a fully charged Jajanken tho?

And Sukuna just stands there, then also lets it land?

 

[Machmatej]

And Sukuna just stands there, then also lets it land?

equal speed with Gon rapidly growing throughout the fight. he can't dodge everything. And no, Sukuna's analytical prediction and information analysisis via CE doesn't work here, nor will his rage power or accelerated development help close the AP gap.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

equal speed with Gon rapidly growing throughout the fight.

He won't grow. Gon is not Garou and this key is him sacrificing every trace of his potential in his lifespan to use for one single fight

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

equal speed with Gon rapidly growing throughout the fight. he can't dodge everything. And no, Sukuna's analytical prediction and information analysisis via CE doesn't work here, nor will his rage power or accelerated development help close the AP gap.

1) many have said it before but he did use up all of his potential in the transformation (I did forget about that part)

2) CE and Nen are on similar concepts and both do have auras. It could be possible for the analytical prediction and information analysis to work. While yeah maybe Sukunas rage power and or accelerated development wouldnt be doing much, he can still gain buffs from Black Flashes which could be possible given that Sukuna has to go all out against someone whos stronger than him

 

[Machmatej]

He won't grow. Gon is not Garou and this key is him sacrificing every trace of his potential in his lifespan to use for one single fight

Awakened Power and Empowerment (Depending on Gon's emotional state, whether it is extreme determination (against Razor) or almost uncontrollable anger (against Pitou) his aura becomes more powerful and changes in nature. For instance, if he is furious, his aura becomes more powerful, dark, and sinister. It is even able to put Morel, his disciples and Knov on edge.

Limitation Transformation: All previous abilities on a far higher level

 

[Mommyleona]

equal speed with Gon rapidly growing throughout the fight

He shouldnt have reactive power lvl here

Awakened Power and Empowerment

Except its involuntary, why would it happen here where none of his friends are hurt or anything?
Also any sorcerer has empowerment too, as well as BVs, which Sukuna abuses the most inverse

he can't dodge everything.

He has far greater mobility, range and can spam his attacks while Gon is (almost) a punch kick merchant, he also Mid regen if something does graze him

And no, Sukuna's analytical prediction and information analysisis via CE doesn't work here

why not? nen and ce seem pretty similiar, sukuna is also just generally way smarter

nor will his rage power or accelerated development help close the AP gap.

The ap gap isnt that big normally, cutting attacks should have no trouble damaging gon especially if he spams them(which Gon btw cant see at all), let alone domain expansion, where not ever ryu will save gon as it can only protect some parts of the body

 

[Machmatej]

He shouldnt have reactive power lvl here

He doesn't need reactive power level to get stronger.

Except its involuntary, why would it happen here where none of his friends are hurt or anything?
Also any sorcerer has empowerment too, as well as BVs, which Sukuna abuses the most inverse

1) many have said it before but he did use up all of his potential in the transformation (I did forget about that part)

doesnt work much since it relies on Ren Iirc

His awakened power and power growth just happens when he's mad and very emotional. Since he starts off in his transformed state, he's already pissed off, meaning his aura is already through the roof (way more fatal than Hisoka's Ren), and he should just be getting stronger passively.

He has far greater mobility, range and can spam his attacks while Gon is (almost) a punch kick merchant, he also Mid regen if something does graze him

Sukuna doesn't have that much better mobility, Gon is still keeping up with him. And saying that he'll just dodge everything in an equal speed match is just impossible. Ryu and Ko would let him survive pretty much every single attack due to the AP to Durability ratio. And range means nothing when Gon just expand his aura to stretch kilometers. Or throw paper at him.

why not? nen and ce seem pretty similiar, sukuna is also just generally way smarter

Because info analysis with CE relies on noticing the sparks before a major attack, which just don't exist with Nen techniques, at least not with Gon's simple rock, paper and scissors.

The ap gap isnt that big normally, cutting attacks should have no trouble damaging gon especially if he spams them(which Gon btw cant see at all), let alone domain expansion, where not ever ryu will save gon as it can only protect some parts of the body

164 Kilotons vs 550 Kilotons to 5.5 Megatons durability and 6.3 Megatons AP. Sukuna's physical attacks aren't doing shit, and idk if cutting can make up for that difference either. And Gon can see the slashes if we're equalizing CE and Nen btw. Gyo is one of the basic Nen applications that Gon mastered and it's literally just applying Nen to your eyes to see invisible shit.

Edit: Gon can see the slashes and react accordingly by applying Ko to the part that's gonna be slashed, or just block with a reinforced limb, or just dodge.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Awakened Power and Empowerment (Depending on Gon's emotional state, whether it is extreme determination (against Razor) or almost uncontrollable anger (against Pitou) his aura becomes more powerful and changes in nature. For instance, if he is furious, his aura becomes more powerful, dark, and sinister. It is even able to put Morel, his disciples and Knov on edge.

Limitation Transformation: All previous abilities on a far higher level

Are you gonna force me to make a CRT just to remove it from this key despiste how obvious is it

 

[Machmatej]

Are you gonna force me to make a CRT just to remove it from this key despiste how obvious is it

the profiles are gonna get revised soon anyway. so you can do whatever you want, it's not like it changes the outcome. sukuna can't close the ap gap with his growth, nor can gon's growth be quantified. talking about how much stronger they can get is pretty pointless

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

the profiles are gonna get revised soon anyway

Do you know who is making it? Cuz I was planning to try it after JJK

 

[Machmatej]

Do you know who is making it? Cuz I was planning to try it after JJK

some guys were talking about in the downgrade thread. i'm waiting for them to finish too because i have some calcs i want to use to upgrade the verse

 

[Mommyleona]

he should just be getting stronger passively.

Why??? No.

Sukuna doesn't have that much better mobility,

He can freely air jump

And saying that he'll just dodge everything in an equal speed match is just impossible

Not really? starting distance is very big, there's a chance Gon wont be able to come close at all.

Ryu and Ko would let him survive pretty much every single attack due to the AP to Durability ratio

Except that he needs to reinforce the parts that are being attacked respectively, something he isnt capable of doing since he doesnt know what is hitting him, or where it will come from, and in Sukuna's domain ALL of his body is going to be hit simultaneously

And range means nothing when Gon just expand his aura to stretch kilometers.

1. he cant do that
2. what is that even supposed to achieve

Or throw paper at him.

Paper should be weaker than his normal punches, its not doing much even if it lands

Because info analysis with CE relies on noticing the sparks before a major attack,

No it doesnt rely just on that

Gon using Ko and Ryu is quite literally this. Obv jajanken too

164 Kilotons vs 550 Kilotons

only like a 3.3x gap, it isnt that big when Sukuna can spam it, we also have examples of Mahoraga not being affected by Sukuna's punches/kicks, yet being sliced clean through with dismantles

5.5 Megatons durability

again, only for parts of his body where he centers Nen, that wont be useful. also do i have to remind you of WCS, which also will one shot Gon?

And Gon can see the slashes if we're equalizing CE and Nen btw. Gyo is one of the basic Nen applications that Gon mastered and it's literally just applying Nen to your eyes to see invisible shit.

No. its layered, no one in Jjk can see Sukuna's slashes, despite any sorcerer already being able of seeing invisible attacks and etc, i think not even Gojo could actually see them, so even with verse equal Gon wont be seeing those slashes

 

[GodEarh206]

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