Eternatus ain't 2-A and neither are the rest of the mons

[Imaginym]

it could be done like Digimon does it, just adding an "up to [Certain Tier] for stronger members of the species", it doesn't need to be a varies rating for it to be reconciled

It could work. Varies tier usually seems like a copout and cheap way out of this stuff to me.

It could make sense, given the Pokémon world literally has both an in-game levelling system which is referenced in non-game material, and canon examples of different members of the same species provably having vastly different strength levels.

What of this option?

Regarding these posts:

Honestly so far I feel like the digimon solution is the best, saying "A tier, up to B tier for the strongest ones".

At the same time I think if people don't like the vaires tier for the avatars (which i will let the mods decide) we could still just nuke the 2-A galar scaling for being inconsistent.

In the first place our legendary scaling has been outdated and hyper-reliant on the manga for some reason whilst ignoring Anime scaling which honestly has been more consistent.

You're OP, so this seems to be you in favor of at least listing the proposal as to be considered

This is the exact thing the OP is revising.

And I 100% disagree with arbitrarily scaling to Cynthia just cuz. What part of the champion quote refers to her? At the absolute best, it would be a "possibly", but I wouldn't support such. Nothing connects that quote to Cynthia or any specific champion at all.

No I know.

That’s why I said “if anything”

Personally I’m split, because the rental mons shouldn’t be game mechanics or anything. On the other hand, yeah as you said, it’s kinda arbitrary.

I'm kind of the same with the rental stuff, yeah.

Is there any way to reconcile these stances?
In theory, Pokemon can be trained to legendary levels by the protagonist & the like. Could Rental Pokemon be instances of this?
& suppose we do dismiss Dynamax Adventures, what of Option 1, & only putting Zacian, Zamazenta & Eternatus at a possibly rating for the CT (Assuming the aforementioned Digimon option doesn't already cover that.), since Leon's statement of Eternatus being the strongest Pokemon may not be the most informed or carry much weight; Outside of DA (& that's assuming Leon knows of the CT through that & assuming those legendaries being there isn't something to be dismissed as player-conveniencing Game Mechanics.), why would Leon know the CT & whatnot well-enough to assert Eternatus is stronger?

 

[Arceus0x]

Is there any way to reconcile these stances?
In theory, Pokemon can be trained to legendary levels by the protagonist & the like. Could Rental Pokemon be instances of this?
& suppose we do dismiss Dynamax Adventures, what of Option 1, & only putting Zacian, Zamazenta & Eternatus at a possibly rating for the CT (Assuming the aforementioned Digimon option doesn't already cover that.), since Leon's statement of Eternatus being the strongest Pokemon may not be the most informed or carry much weight; Outside of DA (& that's assuming Leon knows of the CT through that & assuming those legendaries being there isn't something to be dismissed as player-conveniencing Game Mechanics.), why would Leon know the CT & whatnot well-enough to assert Eternatus is stronger?

See the issue is its unlikely he even really knows CT is in the tundra and "strongest Pokemon" statement is generally unreliable due to that. I don't know about using a possibly for this, it, in my honest opinion, opens up too many doors. For starters I'd be upgrading Mewtwo to 2-A turn one.
Besides that it yet again would lead to chainscaling in which case we'd yet again have trouble with half the mons at 2-A.

 

[Imaginym]

See the issue is its unlikely he even really knows CT is in the tundra and "strongest Pokemon" statement is generally unreliable due to that. I don't know about using a possibly for this, it, in my honest opinion, opens up too many doors. For starters I'd be upgrading Mewtwo to 2-A turn one.
Besides that it yet again would lead to chainscaling in which case we'd yet again have trouble with half the mons at 2-A.

I hope you'll forgive me if I'll wait to see what the other users I quoted in my post (& potentially other knowledgeable members.) have to say regarding this.

& of course, doing the Digimon option doesn't necessarily mean using the "Possibly" rating, right?

 

[Random-Helper323]

I would say we at least start with equal treatment and not scaling some legendaries solely for being legendary (beast trio) while others aren't even allowed to scale to the Pokemon they battle (Lugia) while others notably are allowed to do so (Mewtwo). These standards are clearly uneven.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I hope you'll forgive me if I'll wait to see what the other users I quoted in my post (& potentially other knowledgeable members.) have to say regarding this.

It's ok, bud.

 

[Lou_change]

Is it common knowledge in universe that the creation trio are even Pokemon?

 

[Arceus0x]

Is it common knowledge in universe that the creation trio are even Pokemon?

I think so

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Imaginym]

I would say we at least start with equal treatment and not scaling some legendaries solely for being legendary (beast trio) while others aren't even allowed to scale to the Pokemon they battle (Lugia) while others notably are allowed to do so (Mewtwo). These standards are clearly uneven.

How do you mean by "equal treatment"? Varies rating for all Legendaries? The OP's "We upgrade every legendary to 2-B, possibly 2-A." option? If it's the latter, doesn't Content Moderator LephyrTheRevanchist oppose it by opposing scaling to Cynthia.
& if it's the former, GyroNutz seems to have disagreed with using Varies without an evident basis of how the variation works, to paraphrase them.
Though, GyroNutz has only posted on the first page of this thread, so I don't know if their stance has changed.

FWIW, Thread Moderator LordTracer also posted this stance.

I was never a huge fan of the rental Pokemon scaling, so I lean in favor of Option 1, but I would like to see if there’s any good arguments in favor of keeping it.

That was also on page 1.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

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[Apex_Predator_GX]

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[Arceus0x]

And now I'm back and honestly I still don't see the point of leaving the tiers be, the scaling is extremely shaky at best and requires several jumps in logic, not to mention, as said before, the tons of crosscaling this could lead to.

 

[Arceus0x]

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