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Maki Zenin VS Ruby Rose (10-6-2) FINISHED

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Doesn't that just make it easier for Maki to kill her?
Does the soul attack go through forcefields or something? And if it does, what does it do? RWBY characters can take large amounts of damage to their soul directly and be no worse for wear.
Against humans or monsters?
both. Humans in her verse just have an Aura barrier so she doesn't need to worry about decapitation them with her attacks. Maki does not have this luxury and ruby does not know that.
 
BTW Glass debunked the whole RWBY skill copy-paste thing.

So... uh yeah, I give this to Maki by eventually tagging Ruby with the SSK
Not at all, glass even admitted in the discussion thread that he hasn't actually seen any of the evidence I proclaimed and thus has not debunked any of the new arguments.
 
Bro weekly, read the thread first and make a big comment instead of making a bunch of small ones
How so? rwby characters can take damage to their soul and be no worse for wear.
Soul Split Katana is stated to ignore any substance (aka durability) to cut anything. If their aura/dura is also their souls, it's a win if they cut it
 
Does the soul attack go through forcefields or something? And if it does, what does it do? RWBY characters can take large amounts of damage to their soul directly and be no worse for wear.
If the forcefields are literally made up of her soul, then yeah, a soul-cutting blade would cut through the soul shield.

Like how a space cutting sword would cut through gojo's space barrier.


both. Humans in her verse just have an Aura barrier so she doesn't need to worry about decapitation them with her attacks. Maki does not have this luxury and ruby does not know that.
I kinda find it hard to believe she'd go for an instant kill against humans tbh.
 
Bro weekly, read the thread first and make a big comment instead of making a bunch of small ones

Soul Split Katana is stated to ignore any substance (aka durability) to cut anything. If their aura/dura is also their souls, it's a win if they cut it
A forcefield isn't a substance though

The forcefield is not their Aura/soul, it's a barrier created by their aura/soul.

Rwby characters have taken damage directly to their souls before and been no worse for wear. Pietro literally split his own soul in half twice to bring penny to life, and one of the antagonists in the novels had the majority of her soul absorbed by a Grimm and was fine.
 
If the forcefields are literally made up of her soul, then yeah, a soul-cutting blade would cut through the soul shield.

Like how a space cutting sword would cut through gojo's space barrier.
It's like Yamato but for Souls only.

RWBY characters are specially ****** by it.
see my previous comments. The barrier is not their aura/soul, it is a barrier created by their aura/soul. And they can take damage direcrly to their soul with no issue.
I kinda find it hard to believe she'd go for an instant kill against humans tbh.
It's not hard to believe at all, I can grab the scan from the guidebook but the whole reason why aura as a concept was created was so the writers could have the characters go all out against each other without them killing each othwr. Its why beacon allowed live ammunition and bladed weapons in casual sparring matches.
 
Also I swear if we bring back the yang vs overhaul 'does a forcefield count as matter' debate in 2025 I'm going to scream
 
A forcefield isn't a substance though
If curses, creatures of pure mystical energy have their dura ignored, idk why these forcefields can't be
The forcefield is not their Aura/soul, it's a barrier created by their aura/soul.
So why it matters. The source of a ability is not relevant

Pietro literally split his own soul in half twice to bring penny to life, and one of the antagonists in the novels had the majority of her soul absorbed by a Grimm and was fine.
I bet my ass that the Pietro's part is a nothing burguer, and the Grimm is just absoption
It is pretty much stated. Soul Split ignores the toughness of anything, it will cut Ruby like nothing and won't even feel
 
No resistance to soul hax on the profile. No proof that Ruby would be the same as the cases you brought up either.

If the forcefield is made up of some kind of "soul energy" then a soul-splitting blade should be able to cut through that just fine. And if she is slicing Ruby's soul to pieces with her attacks you would most definitely need some kind of resistance to back up her being able to survive something like that.

It's not hard to believe at all, I can grab the scan from the guidebook but the whole reason why aura as a concept was created was so the writers could have the characters go all out against each other without them killing each othwr. Its why beacon allowed live ammunition and bladed weapons in casual sparring matches.
I've heard from multiple people that Ruby does not go for the kill. So I would love to see evidence of her going for the kill as a first move against humans tbh.
 
If curses, creatures of pure mystical energy have their dura ignored, idk why these forcefields can't be
Fair
So why it matters. The source of a ability is not relevant
Also fair
I bet my ass that the Pietro's part is a nothing burguer, and the Grimm is just absoption
It is pretty much stated. Soul Split ignores the toughness of anything, it will cut Ruby like nothing and won't even feel
No? It's a pretty major plot point considering Penny is the first artificial human as a result of pietro doing that.

The grimm isn't just absorption, it took part of her soul.

So ruby wouldn't feel it and also wouldn't be affected by the soul damage
 
No resistance to soul hax on the profile. No proof that Ruby would be the same as the cases you brought up either.

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If the forcefield is made up of some kind of "soul energy" then a soul-splitting blade should be able to cut through that just fine. And if she is slicing Ruby's soul to pieces with her attacks you would most definitely need some kind of resistance to back up her being able to survive something like that.

I've heard from multiple people that Ruby does not go for the kill. So I would love to see evidence of her going for the kill as a first move against humans tbh.
Sure, I can post scans of all of this when I get home
 
I mean, if damaging the soul is the thing it does, and the opponent can survive damage to their soul,, is the technique even that big of an advantage?
The thing with soul split katana is that it ignores every substance to hit the soul. It's just raw durability negation. Even if we assume that Ruby's soul stays fine, her body will be cut in half
 
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It's not just damage to the soul, its the sword going through Ruby as if she was made of butter.

Ruby will only see the sword and she will fall in two pieces
 
Okay, so the katana can cut her, sorry for the confusion

Next question, does it have any sort of ranged capabilities or it is strictly a melee weapon? Because with Ruby having prior knowledge, she would have no qualms with playing the range game the entire fight
 
So does Maki have a way to counter Ruby just using a hit and run strategy or just sniping her from outside her effective range? Or any way to counter the various Dust rounds Ruby has access to?
 
So does Maki have a way to counter Ruby just using a hit and run strategy or just sniping her from outside her effective range? Or any way to counter the various Dust rounds Ruby has access to?
Just chase her down. Maki can cover distance pretty well. And the rounds can just be swiped away by SSK or dodged.
 
If Ruby starts with CQC she isn't going to just be able to zoom off into the distance without being followed. And it's not like Maki can't just dodge or block the sniper rounds. Especially considering her reactions scale 3x higher than her base combat speed. Pair that with her analytical prediction and I doubt Ruby is able to win the fight with shooting alone.

Also consider that she could potentially just cut the soul of Ruby's Crescent Rose in their very first encounter. Its a huge weapon and it's not like Ruby can just dodge all her attacks forever.
 
Just chase her down. Maki can cover distance pretty well.
Ruby's Semblance amps her speed to the point that people comparable to her normally move in slow motion. If she moves away, Maki is not catching her.
And the rounds can just be swiped away by SSK or dodged.
Swiping he rounds away causes them to explode, inflicting whatever element they were onto Maki, Fire (Explodes and sets her on fire), Ice (Encases her in a block of ice durable enough that Ruby herself cannot physically break it), Lightning (Paralyzes her with AoE electricity), or Gravity (several times more powerful than her normal bullets and has an Aoe around the bullet itself, causing damage even if the bullet misses)
 
If Ruby starts with CQC she isn't going to just be able to zoom off into the distance without being followed.
You gave Ruby knowledge of the soul cutting attack, she isnt going to be going into CQC with that knowledge. And yes, se would be thanks to the speed amp from her semblance.
And it's not like Maki can't just dodge or block the sniper rounds.
See my comment above of what would happen if she tried that. It would be worse for her to do that.
Especially considering her reactions scale 3x higher than her base combat speed. Pair that with her analytical prediction and I doubt Ruby is able to win the fight with shooting alone.
Speed is equalized
 
You gave Ruby knowledge of the soul cutting attack, she isnt going to be going into CQC with that knowledge. And yes, se would be thanks to the speed amp from her semblance.
Why would she not go into CQC? That didn't seem to be an issue for you until we mentioned that it could cut her barrier.

See my comment above of what would happen if she tried that. It would be worse for her to do that.

Swiping he rounds away causes them to explode, inflicting whatever element they were onto Maki, Fire (Explodes and sets her on fire), Ice (Encases her in a block of ice durable enough that Ruby herself cannot physically break it), Lightning (Paralyzes her with AoE electricity), or Gravity (several times more powerful than her normal bullets and has an Aoe around the bullet itself, causing damage even if the bullet misses)
So she has a method of dealing damage, sure. But I mean, all it really takes is one bullet before Maki decides it's better to dodge them.


Speed is equalized
Combat speed is equalized. Reaction speed is a separate form of speed which retains the same difference from combat speed it had before speed equalization (See speed equalization rules). So she still has 3x faster reactions in the fight.
 
Why would she not go into CQC? That didn't seem to be an issue for you until we mentioned that it could cut her barrier.
Because she's not an idiot...? You gave her knowledge of how the soul cutting sword works, why would she willingly risk it and go into CQC when she is literally wielding a sniper rifle she is an extert at shooting with? And it wasnt an issue because I was not aware of how it worked.

So she has a method of dealing damage, sure. But I mean, all it really takes is one bullet before Maki decides it's better to dodge them.
One bullet is genuinely all she would need because they scale to/above Ruby's AP, which is already over 2x higher than Maki's durability.
Combat speed is equalized. Reaction speed is a separate form of speed which retains the same difference from combat speed it had before speed equalization (See speed equalization rules). So she still has 3x faster reactions in the fight.
That...new. But not a massive issue for Ruby either. If Maki opts for dodging over blocking, it would take one, maybe two misses for Ruby to just opt for shooting the ground near Maki to hit her with the elemental effects rather than shooting her directly. Or just switching to Gravity rounds that have the aformentioned AoE around the bullet, meaning Maki would still get hurt even if she dodged the bullet itself.
 
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That...new. But not a massive issue for Ruby either. If Maki opts for dodging over blocking, it would take one, maybe two misses for Ruby to just opt for shooting the ground near Maki to hit her with the elemental effects rather than shooting her directly. Or just switching to Gravity rounds that have the aformentioned AoE around the bullet, meaning Maki would still get hurt even if she dodged the bullet itself.
Maki can jump on air to simulate flight. So she likely won't be near the ground for that to happen.
 
Maki can jump on air to simulate flight. So she likely won't be near the ground for that to happen.
Maki's air hopping will almost never NOT be useful 🗣️ 🔥
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Maki can jump on air to simulate flight. So she likely won't be near the ground for that to happen.
The gravity bullets would still be of use, or Ruby just baits her close to a solid surface like she did with Bolin during the Vytal Tournament

Also im curious, why exactly does she have higher reactions than combat speed? All the scans on her profile show her physically moving limbs and in some cases her entire body, that wouldnt be just reaction speed.
 
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The gravity bullets would still be of use, or Ruby just baits her close to a solid surface like she did with Bolin during the Vytal Tournament

Also im curious, why exactly does she have higher reactions than combat speed? All the scans on her profile show her physically moving limbs and in some cases her entire body, that wouldnt be just reaction speed.
Maki, while bloodied, bruised, and not fully realized, was able to intercept Human Naoya who was, debately, blitzing her and moving at (at least) transonic speed. Then, after training in the off-brand Hyperbolic Time Chamber, was able to precog dodge Curse Naoya when he was at Mach 3 mid-air when he was super close to her.
Due to her insane reactions and literal precog, she has comparable (though i'd argue superior) reactions to Kenjaku, a top tier in the verse who dodged piercing blood (which moves above Mach 1) at close range but isn't combat speed
 
Also im curious, why exactly does she have higher reactions than combat speed? All the scans on her profile show her physically moving limbs and in some cases her entire body, that wouldnt be just reaction speed.
Bad edit. Stuff like her blitzing Ogi is literally before getting her senses or reacting to Naoya. Actually surprised her speed section looks this bad.
 
One bullet is genuinely all she would need because they scale to/above Ruby's AP, which is already over 2x higher than Maki's durability.
2x< isn't a one-shot difference and Maki is extremely used to fighting with significant injuries. Not to mention it takes a helluva lot to put her down anyway with her endurance and stamina. She survived being ignited on fire by a Special Grade cursed spirit (Jojo) while she was barely a Grade 2 sorcerer. With the gap in their APs being like 100x at the time. Albeit she was very nearly killed, but that should give you an idea of her endurance.


That...new. But not a massive issue for Ruby either. If Maki opts for dodging over blocking, it would take one, maybe two misses for Ruby to just opt for shooting the ground near Maki to hit her with the elemental effects rather than shooting her directly. Or just switching to Gravity rounds that have the aformentioned AoE around the bullet, meaning Maki would still get hurt even if she dodged the bullet itself.
Given Maki's senses, reactions, and acrobatics, it is very likely she just aim dodges their trajectories and jumps/flips out of their range. With her 3x advantage in reactions she'll be quicker to react to Ruby's firing. And it isn't like she can hit her in mid-air either since she can just flip around and jump off the air itself.

If Ruby turns this into a battle of stamina by continuously running away, she is going to run out of aura trying to spam Maki with bullets before Maki even breaks a sweat.
 
Maki, while bloodied, bruised, and not fully realized, was able to intercept Human Naoya who was, debately, blitzing her and moving at (at least) transonic speed.
Not wrong, but underselling it. A Maki who was prepared for Naoya to come straight to her got blitzed from hundreds of meters away (Possibly kilometers since he flew to the other side of the city to build up the speed).


Meaning Naoya traveled hundreds upon hundreds of meters before Maki could even move a meter (From the looks of it, it seems like she didn't even have time to move her arms an inch, let alone a meter but eh). But her precog let her evade every single attack from Naoya with no-diff. So it allows her to react to peeps much much faster than her.
 
2x< isn't a one-shot difference and Maki is extremely used to fighting with significant injuries. Not to mention it takes a helluva lot to put her down anyway with her endurance and stamina. She survived being ignited on fire by a Special Grade cursed spirit (Jojo) while she was barely a Grade 2 sorcerer. With the gap in their APs being like 100x at the time. Albeit she was very nearly killed, but that should give you an idea of her endurance.
Under normal circumstances no, but it would be significantly more due to it being a piercing weapon (a bullet) thatis also well above Ruby's normal AP
Given Maki's senses, reactions, and acrobatics, it is very likely she just aim dodges their trajectories and jumps/flips out of their range. With her 3x advantage in reactions she'll be quicker to react to Ruby's firing. And it isn't like she can hit her in mid-air either since she can just flip around and jump off the air itself.
Again, she doesnt need to hit her directly if she is using gravity bullets, they have an AoE field around the bullet itself as it is traveling through the air that can still hurt the opponent just from the bullet passing by them
If Ruby turns this into a battle of stamina by continuously running away, she is going to run out of aura trying to spam Maki with bullets before Maki even breaks a sweat.
No? Ruby is able to fight for multiple days straight without rest and she has tons of equipment that she can use to restore her Aura on the fly.
 
Under normal circumstances no, but it would be significantly more due to it being a piercing weapon (a bullet) thatis also well above Ruby's normal AP
Maki isn't taking a direct hit from a bullet. If she parries or strikes the bullet, you said it explodes. That's not a piercing attack. That is an AoE elemental attack from what you've said.


Again, she doesnt need to hit her directly if she is using gravity bullets, they have an AoE field around the bullet itself as it is traveling through the air that can still hurt the opponent just from the bullet passing by them
I just told you she could jump away from the ground and flip around in the air. And she could do this extremely quickly because her reactions are 3x faster than Ruby's in this scenario.


No? Ruby is able to fight for multiple days straight without rest and she has tons of equipment that she can use to restore her Aura on the fly.
You're wanking her stamina. She had to take multiple breaks for some amount of time to recharge between those days. And Aura is NOT an unlimited resource by any means. If she spams aura she will run out quickly.

Meanwhile Maki has actually fought while previously injured and survived for hours even after being engulfed in flames by a guy nearly 100 times stronger than her.
 
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