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Type-Moon High-Godly Immortality additions

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Now that the big obstacles are out of the way, ill make small P&A fixes until further notice.


Normally, when a person dies, aka when their soul exits their body,their soul scatters into spiritrons, and those spiritrons can no longer resist the current due to a lack of directionality, and flow into the Root to be recycled into something else, using the same spiritrons.


第六法に敗れたズェピアの体は霧散した。

けれどその霧散は彼が望んだ通りの霧散でした。

ズェピアという死徒を形成していた強大な霊子は拡散し、世界に留まった。

本来、肉体から離れ大気に散った霊子……魂のような物は、そのまま無に落ちていきます。

これは弱い流れが大きな流れに取り込まれるのと同じで、抗えない自然の働きです。

肉体という檻から解放された霊子は、意思すらも解脱した為に流れに逆らうという方向性がなく、大体である無に落ちて次の変換を待つのだとか。

……けれどズェピアはそうなる前、まだ生きていた頃に「タタリ」という方程式を完成させた。

ある一定の条件が整った地域ならば、彼の霧散した霊子は地域で発生した"噂"に収束し、再び現世に蘇る。


Defeated by the Sixth Method/Law, Zepia's body dissipated into mist.

Yet this dissipation was exactly the kind of dissipation he had desired.

The immense spiritrons that formed the Dead Apostle known as Zepia dispersed and remained in the world.

Normally, spiritrons—something akin to a soul—that separate from the physical body and scatter into the atmosphere eventually fade into nothingness.

This is akin to a weak current being absorbed by a larger flow, an irresistible force of nature.

Freed from the cage of the physical body, spiritrons lose even their will, leaving them with no directionality to resist the flow. They fall into the great nothingness, awaiting their next conversion.

...However, before this could happen, while he was still alive, Zepia had completed an equation known as "Tatari."


However, as you can hint from the last line, there are ways to have those dispersed spiritrons reconverge into their previous form. These should be considered methods of High-Godly Regeneration, as nothing in the franchise can destroy raw spiritrons, just make them lose their directionality and cause them to reform as something else. Not even the mystic eyes of death perception.

Third Magic

It allows for the spiritrons to converge as the same individual, allowing for complete immortality.

サーヴァント・ユニヴァースでは明確な死は存在しない。消滅したサーヴァントは時間をかけて、宇宙のどこかにランダムで『転生』((リポップ) する。それが『魂の物質化』というものだからだ。
In the Servant Universe, there is no such thing as a clear death.
Servants that have vanished will, over time, randomly 'reincarnate' (re-pop) somewhere in the universe.
This is due to the principle known as the 'Materialization of the Soul'.

Who gets it? All Servantverse profiles, as they are " Materialized Souls"
Tatari Equation (limited)

ある一定の条件が整った地域ならば、彼の霧散した霊子は地域で発生した"噂"に収束し、再び現世に蘇る。 If the conditions are right in a certain location, his dispersed spiritrons will converge with the local "rumors," allowing him to ressurect in the world once more.

The Tatari Profiles seem to already have this ability, but im just codifing it, and changing their regeneration to being limited.


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...However, that dispersal was the result that Zepia had intended.

The spirit particles, released from the cage of the physical body and scattered into the atmosphere, were also freed from consciousness, and so they would have simply flowed back to the nothingness that is the Root, to await their next transformation, but...

Zepia, who had completed the formula known as "Tatari" while he was alive, succeeded in remaining in the world even as he diffused the powerful spirit particles that had formed the body of the Dead Apostle.


I say that this ability is limited, as he is reliant on the contract with Altrouge, and his form is determined by rumors.
 
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This is all a plot to wank Servantverse Satsuki.

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Soul also include Info 2 and Concept iirc, so yeah soul erasure = info 2 and cm erasure
 
Soul also include Info 2 and Concept iirc, so yeah soul erasure = info 2 and cm erasure
yes but they need to rely on their soul to regenerate so it cant be high godly
"Yes, if one has the soul, one should be able to reconstruct their body even if the original body and genes have been lost."
 
yes but they need to rely on their soul to regenerate so it cant be high godly
Normally, when a person dies, aka when their soul exits their body,their soul scatters into spiritrons, and those spiritrons can no longer resist the current due to a lack of directionality, and flow into the Root to be recycled into something else, using the same spiritrons.
This mean soul is no more, as spiritrons is supernatural particle in the verse, soul is destroyed and turned to something else entirely
 
This mean soul is no more, as spiritrons is supernatural particle in the verse, soul is destroyed and turned to something else entirely
Soul are literally made of spiritrons, right?

They're still there just broken down to spiritrons.
 
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Spiritrons is true essence of soul, kinda a deeper essence
So are info and concepts

Correct me if I'm wrong, from the scan it seems similar to getting reduced to particles and recovering from that(No erasure). Unless there is proof that their info/concept get erased I don't see how this is HGR.

Do their informations and concepts get erased or just dispersed?
 
This mean soul is no more, as spiritrons is supernatural particle in the verse, soul is destroyed and turned to something else entirely
The soul, and identity can still be recovered from this state, this is what the third is all about.

Also, they're still recorded in the spiritrons, thats why Origin awakening can cause the user to recall their past lives, regardless of the form.
 
So are info and concepts

Correct me if I'm wrong, from the scan it seems similar to getting reduced to particles and recovering from that(No erasure). Unless there is proof that their info/concept get erased I don't see how this is HGR.

Do their informations and concepts get erased or just dispersed?
No, Concept and Info are just a part of soul, if soul is scattered and turned into spiritron, that mean the concept and info that are apart of soul disappear as well.

Still i will let Wankbeaker explain his thing, since i only have basic knowledges of Nasuverse
 
No, Concept and Info are just a part of soul, if soul is scattered and turned into spiritron, that mean the concept and info that are apart of soul disappear as well.

Still i will let Wankbeaker explain his thing, since i only have basic knowledges of Nasuverse
Concepts are made up of Spiritrons as well, so it does contain the "concept" of a person

地表にあるすべての存在が……物質だけでなく、概念までもが霊子分解されて……

All existence on the surface...Not just matter, but even concepts are being broken down into spiritrons...
 
Soul also include Info 2 and Concept iirc, so yeah soul erasure = info 2 and cm erasure
Weren't the conclussion of a different thread that we don't think the Soul actually includes that stuff though? But then again, we are waiting for the updated page o remove it. We basically gott the conclusion it's not Info 2, and the CM is only type 3...
 
Weren't the conclussion of a different thread that we don't think the Soul actually includes that stuff though? But then again, we are waiting for the updated page o remove it. We basically gott the conclusion it's not Info 2, and the CM is only type 3...
Is that so? Link it, if possible.
 
Weren't the conclussion of a different thread that we don't think the Soul actually includes that stuff though? But then again, we are waiting for the updated page o remove it. We basically gott the conclusion it's not Info 2, and the CM is only type 3...
There is another thread??
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There is another thread??
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Thread. (Not that it was never implemented, but it was decided best to leave it for its own thread.)

Though if we're gonna attempt to make this pass, I think it's best to do that now.

But yeah, let's get to it, the "information", is not actually information, but rather just a "record" of the servant (immortality 9)

And regarding the "concept", Again this seems much more like immortality 9... (It doesn't say the soul is a concept, but exists as a record in a conceptual plane"

So yeah, the idea that Spirirtrons/souls are both info and concept is moot....

So yeah, I disagree with this thread.
 
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then why did you say it was concluded in that thread that soul does not include concepts/information
thats just not true
 
It doesn't say the soul is a concept, but exists as a record in a conceptual plane"
No one is saying that the soul itself is a concept though??? It says that the soul holds a "record of all the bodies within the concept of the astral world." The astral world is described as conceptual and the soul itself is tied to this higher-order realm, which suggests that the soul contains conceptual elements.

No one is saying that the soul is concept on its own, its argued that the soul contains concept which also qualifies
 
@Wankbreaker

What are the sources for your quotes in the OP?

To clarify, you are proposing High-Godly Regen?

Can you summarize the conditions/circumstances/timeframes of this?
 
Just read this.
Yea,
@Wankbreaker

What are the sources for your quotes in the OP?
The servant verse scan is from Saber Wars II, the rest are from Melty Blood’s L Route.


To clarify, you are proposing High-Godly Regen?
I am.
Can you summarize the conditions/circumstances/timeframes of this?
For the third magic? Absolutely 0 conditions. Timeframe is unknown, however.

For Zepia’s TATARI equation, his form is limited to the rumors of the location his spiritrons converge in, however the actual timeframe of formation doesn’t seem to be that long.
 
Something worth reviewing is this.
Thread. (Not that it was never implemented, but it was decided best to leave it for its own thread.)

Though if we're gonna attempt to make this pass, I think it's best to do that now.

But yeah, let's get to it, the "information", is not actually information, but rather just a "record" of the servant (immortality 9)

And regarding the "concept", Again this seems much more like immortality 9... (It doesn't say the soul is a concept, but exists as a record in a conceptual plane"

So yeah, the idea that Spirirtrons/souls are both info and concept is moot....

So yeah, I disagree with this thread.
 
For the third magic? Absolutely 0 conditions. Timeframe is unknown, however.
So, you said:
Who gets it? All Servantverse profiles, as they are " Materialized Souls"
Are the servants themselves causing their manifestation from scattered spiritrons to happen, or is this via an outside party/intelligence?
For Zepia’s TATARI equation, his form is limited to the rumors of the location his spiritrons converge in, however the actual timeframe of formation doesn’t seem to be that long.
You said:
Zepia, who had completed the formula known as "Tatari" while he was alive, succeeded in remaining in the world even as he diffused the powerful spirit particles that had formed the body of the Dead Apostle.
Is there a "force" that is directing the spiritrons after dispersal, or something? What are the steps in achieving this outcome?
 
No one is saying that the soul itself is a concept though??? It says that the soul holds a "record of all the bodies within the concept of the astral world." The astral world is described as conceptual and the soul itself is tied to this higher-order realm, which suggests that the soul contains conceptual elements.

No one is saying that the soul is concept on its own, its argued that the soul contains concept which also qualifies
It did not say the astral world is a concept itself. If you look at the scan, “record of all the bodies within the concept of the astral world,” you see that concept in this context means an idea or a thought, as in the soul exists within or as part of what we think of as the astral world. What we consider a conceptual realm is not a realm that is a concept, but a realm that contains concepts, since there is such a thing as “this thing exists within this concept.” Concepts are supposed to be non-local. Other than that, I agree with Dark Soul.
 
So, you said:

Are the servants themselves causing their manifestation from scattered spiritrons to happen, or is this via an outside party/intelligence?
The soul seemingly does it on its own. Keep in mind that Servantverse characters arent actually servants,so servants shouldnt be gaining this.
You said:

Is there a "force" that is directing the spiritrons after dispersal, or something?
It's the Root's flow that normally guides them there to be recycled. In Zepia's case, his spiritrons do go there, but they can reform entirely intact thanks to Altrouge's contract.
What are the steps in achieving this outcome?
 
The soul seemingly does it on its own. Keep in mind that Servantverse characters arent actually servants, so servants shouldnt be gaining this.
Sorry. Can you provide an example of a character to whom this would apply? I'm trying to understand the mechanics of what you're proposing.
It's the Root's flow that normally guides them there to be recycled. In Zepia's case, his spiritrons do go there, but they can reform entirely intact thanks to Altrouge's contract.
Which functions... how, exactly?
 
Servantverse Servants are Servants, though.
Nope. They’re humans or divine spirits whose souls are completely materialized with the Third Magic. The servant verse actually doesn’t connect to the Throne at all.
They’re “servants” the same way Beasts are.
 
OP has been banned and their translations might be sketch (Pending further investigation) so this thread should be closed.
 
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