(1v2) Mori Jin VS Ruby Rose & Weiss Schnee (9-0-0) FINISHED

[Spinoirr]

RWBY's greatest defender is absent...

What about me?

 

[EnderLord8]

What about me?

You're the second best. Weekly has too many feats, like fervently saying that Ruby beats Maka despite the AP difference and never wavering in the face of any argument that a RWBY character loses a battle, even when everything points to them losing, etc...

As for you... You defend the RWBY characters well, but not to the point of being like Weekly, but one of your great feat yours, is the RWBYxDragon Ball characters you have hidden up your sleeve...

By the way, any of these days do you want to try pitting my version of Weiss against one of yours?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bleh, will respond in a bit

 

[azontr]

RWBY's greatest defender is absent... Hmmm, what are the Whiterose duo's wincons?

They kiss, Mori is instantly stunlocked from seeing gay people and starts seizing, instant win

 

[Phoenks]

I thought Ruby was homophobic

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Where did weekly go

I have had a very long, very stressful day

 

[Spinoirr]

I thought Ruby was homophobic

Sigh. No, she was depressed and had a mental break down

In “The Perils of Paper Houses”, Ruby’s bond with Yang becomes damaged once again when Ruby’s pent up frustrations causes her to angrily lash out at Yang for seemingly prioritizing sorting out her own feelings for Blake than notice how angry and traumatized her own sister was and sarcastically told her how happy she was she and Blake were together now to hurt her, which in turn, annoys Yang that Ruby would talk to her like that. Yang was left dejected and frustrated Ruby would say those things and run off, and deflected any responsibility for her role in her sister's poor mental health, despite Weiss pointing out they all took Ruby for granted and giving her more burdens to bare, pushing her into that state.

 

[DavidTPPM]

We are homophobia scaling now

 

[azontr]

Sigh. No, she was depressed and had a mental break down

In “The Perils of Paper Houses”, Ruby’s bond with Yang becomes damaged once again when Ruby’s pent up frustrations causes her to angrily lash out at Yang for seemingly prioritizing sorting out her own feelings for Blake than notice how angry and traumatized her own sister was and sarcastically told her how happy she was she and Blake were together now to hurt her, which in turn, annoys Yang that Ruby would talk to her like that. Yang was left dejected and frustrated Ruby would say those things and run off, and deflected any responsibility for her role in her sister's poor mental health, despite Weiss pointing out they all took Ruby for granted and giving her more burdens to bare, pushing her into that state.

You didn't have to explain it blud

 

[Spinoirr]

You didn't have to explain it blud

Look I'm sick and tried of that "meme"

 

[Phoenks]

I was kidding bruh I don't even know non about that

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alrighty then, based on what I read it seems Mori is significantly more skilled (I can explain deeper if the profile doesn't explain it enough to you) in cqc and can amp his power by over 3x with his 3-step kick and higher attacks. This is almost a one-shot gap (should be around 6x) but the attack hits pressure points in the head so it should be enough to take them out with a direct hit. Similar thing should apply to the KoBD which could almost take out people capable of pretty much tanking 3-step kick.

It would, if not for the fact that due to the health bar mechanics of Aura, they are able to take hits from people well above their level of power without dying. Ruby in this key has taken hits from Tyrian, who is 8-A and was actively trying to knock her out and kill her team, and there have been instances of 8-B and 8-A characters taking direct hits from Low 7-B Maidens due to their Aura protecting them.

On another note if he gets past the aura he can hit them with all his acupuncture stuff which can cause things like paralysis, internal damage, and make people straight up explode from the inside. Also pain so overwhelming it makes people incapable of fighting completely. What's also worth noting is that as the fight goes on Mori will immensely improve in skill, finding more effective ways to counter them and copy their fighting styles into his own. So unlike the 8-A version of the fight, here time is actually on his side. But even from the start, Mori would immediately analyze their weaknesses from just a glance and start to come up with ways to take them down so it's not like he NEEDS time

It would take at least several dozen unblocked hits to take down one of their Aura.

So the duo will have to try to keep Mori at long distance which is going to be difficult given one of them is a swordsman - primarily a close range fighting style and even the other being a scythe user. That being said they do well against his power mimicry in the sense that Mori can't copy their "magical" abilities and his efficiency at copying weapons is pretty restricted due to him not having a weapon (and generally not using weapons at this point in the story).

Not at all, Weiss is primarily a long range fighter, 75% of her kit is spamming Dust attacks from a distance, and Ruby can easily swap to a ranged style due to half of her skillset being sniping.

Does anything stop Mori from just getting close to them and pummeling them until their aura is off and then either acupuncture then or hit them with something like the 3 step kick?

Weiss being able to keep him at a distance with AoE gravity fields and restraint glyphs, or freezing him in an AoE around herself if he gets close to her. Or just using a Time Dilation Glyph t amp both of their combat speeds to the point of just blitzing him in CQC. Ruby can also use her semblance to carry Weiss away to keep distance between them, as not only does her semblance significantly amp her speed but it also grants her flight.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah, Rwby characters with Aura are basically damage sponges as Aura is a forcefield that acts like a health bar taking dozens of hits from those comparable in power to break

 

[DavidTPPM]

It would, if not for the fact that due to the health bar mechanics of Aura, they are able to take hits from people well above their level of power without dying. Ruby in this key has taken hits from Tyrian, who is 8-A and was actively trying to knock her out and kill her team, and there have been instances of 8-B and 8-A characters taking direct hits from Low 7-B Maidens due to their Aura protecting them.

Ngl that's hard to believe since that should mean their durability is a tier higher than it's in the profile.

It would take at least several dozen unblocked hits to take down one of their Aura.

Given that Mori is hitting them with an already 2x AP advantage and has attacks that effectively enhance that by additional 3x would he actually struggle to do so? Even the 8-A value is only around 250 tons while Moris AP is 40 tons (meaning effectively 120 tons with martial arts like the 3-step kick).
Meaning even generously assuming 8-A durability, realistically 7ish normal hits should be enough to get through it normally. Especially if Mori uses stronger shit like KoBD or 3SK to speed it up.

Unless they have the optional equipment to restore the aura which iirc they are not given here. (I mean otherwise we'd be back to square 1 of Mori having no win cons)

Not at all, Weiss is primarily a long range fighter, 75% of her kit is spamming Dust attacks from a distance, and Ruby can easily swap to a ranged style due to half of her skillset being sniping.

I take the "Not at all" to mean as it wouldn't be hard to keep him at distance? Because in that case idrk about that. Mori can use bo-bup which makes it appear as if he teleported to close the distance or fire off a KoBD which would force them to move and use that to his advantage.
Generally just looking at them tells him their weaknesses so it shouldn't be hard for him to close the distance.

Weiss being able to keep him at a distance with AoE gravity fields and restraint glyphs,

Can you elaborate on those? Because the only thing I can find on the profile is them appearing below the user and then working but this version of Mori has fought against abilities that manifest directly below or around him and managed to counter and avoid them relatively well.

or freezing him in an AoE around herself

Can you elaborate

Ruby can also use her semblance to carry Weiss away to keep distance between them, as not only does her semblance significantly amp her speed but it also grants her flight.

That's the thing where she breaks apart into a red mist and flies around or am I confusing it with something? (I suck with names)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You're the second best. Weekly has too many feats, like fervently saying that Ruby beats Maka despite the AP difference and never wavering in the face of any argument that a RWBY character loses a battle, even when everything points to them losing, etc...

With the upcoming RWBY and Soul Eater revisions im working on, Ruby will have the AP advantage over Maka at the end of it

 

[EnderLord8]

With the upcoming RWBY and Soul Eater revisions im working on, Ruby will have the AP advantage over Maka at the end of it

good luck

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ngl that's hard to believe since that should mean their durability is a tier higher than it's in the profile.

Not exactly no, it doesnt enhance their durability, its more along the lines of damage absorption (Yang and Adam's semblances even function around this aspect, absorbing the damage of attacks theyre hit with and using it to make them stronger). It is, its even stated as such on the Aura ability profile:

vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aura_(RWBY)#Aura_Durability_and_Mechanics

Given that Mori is hitting them with an already 2x AP advantage and has attacks that effectively enhance that by additional 3x would he actually struggle to do so? Even the 8-A value is only around 250 tons while Moris AP is 40 tons (meaning effectively 120 tons with martial arts like the 3-step kick).
Meaning even generously assuming 8-A durability, realistically 7ish normal hits should be enough to get through it normally. Especially if Mori uses stronger shit like KoBD or 3SK to speed it up.

Correct in theory, but he would still have a hell of a time doing so given the combination of mobility, speed amplification, and all of Weiss' Dust bullshittery if he tries to get close

Unless they have the optional equipment to restore the aura which iirc they are not given here. (I mean otherwise we'd be back to square 1 of Mori having no win cons)

The only equipment they lose access to is the Revive Ring, which canonically had not been fully developed by Atlas at this point in the story. They still have the other restoratives though, Yang was even seen purchasing some in the timeskip comic between Volumes 3 and 4.

I take the "Not at all" to mean as it wouldn't be hard to keep him at distance? Because in that case idrk about that. Mori can use bo-bup which makes it appear as if he teleported to close the distance or fire off a KoBD which would force them to move and use that to his advantage.
Generally just looking at them tells him their weaknesses so it shouldn't be hard for him to close the distance.

It wouldnt no, Ruby spams her semblance in this key and if Jin is hard focusing Weiss it would be 100% in character for her to use her Semblance to intervene out get Weiss out of that

Can you elaborate on those? Because the only thing I can find on the profile is them appearing below the user and then working but this version of Mori has fought against abilities that manifest directly below or around him and managed to counter and avoid them relatively well.

She can manifest them anywhere she chooses, on any surface or even in midair, and can even set up instant traps by forming glyphs in front of opponents that are charging her, causing them to either bounce off/have their attacks reflected, or sending them flying forward past her.

Can you elaborate

Weiss has two techniques that do this, Nova and Frostbite. The former is her projecting Ice Dust in an AoE around herself to freeze enemies, while the latter is her imbuing her sword with Ice Dust and striking the ground to do the same.

That's the thing where she breaks apart into a red mist and flies around or am I confusing it with something? (I suck with names)

It is yes, specifically she breaks herself, her equipment, and anyone/anything she touches down into a cloud of massless, scattered molecules, which also significantly increases her speed, and she can then reassemble elsewhere at will.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Not exactly no, it doesnt enhance their durability, its more along the lines of damage absorption (Yang and Adam's semblances even function around this aspect, absorbing the damage of attacks theyre hit with and using it to make them stronger).

That is essentially how durability in general works ngl. Everyone and everything can take a certain amount of damage before getting destroyed.

Correct in theory, but he would still have a hell of a time doing so given the combination of mobility, speed amplification, and all of Weiss' Dust bullshittery if he tries to get close

I don’t think he'd let them go after he gets close once. Mori fought several opponents in a situation where he literally NEEDED to hold them because he was disoriented due to his ear canals being busted which completely destroyed his balance.
Plus Gaksu gives him an additional precog ability which allows him to tell opponents moves before they perform them by touching the opponent and Mori generally has better LS.

So once he gets close he'd probably hold onto the person he's near and throw them around to block the other persons attacks. In case he has to.

The only equipment they lose access to is the Revive Ring, which canonically had not been fully developed by Atlas at this point in the story. They still have the other restoratives though, Yang was even seen purchasing some in the timeskip comic between Volumes 3 and 4.

How do those work

It wouldnt no, Ruby spams her semblance in this key and if Jin is hard focusing Weiss it would be 100% in character for her to use her Semblance to intervene out get Weiss out of that

Wouldn't she have to grab her for that? Mori could just yank her out of the way

She can manifest them anywhere she chooses, on any surface or even in midair, and can even set up instant traps by forming glyphs in front of opponents that are charging her

These seem pretty dodgeable for Mori ngl. They're relatively similar to Greed and Megalodon which can basically appear right next to, below, or sometimes even inside the opponent and so Mori is already experienced with similar abilities.

And given Moris prediction skills he'd probably instantly recognize the threat and even the possible uses, and work around it.

Weiss has two techniques that do this, Nova and Frostbite. The former is her projecting Ice Dust in an AoE around herself to freeze enemies, while the latter is her imbuing her sword with Ice Dust and striking the ground to do the same.

I appreciate the wiki links but ngl a gif would probably be better.

It is yes, specifically she breaks herself, her equipment, and anyone/anything she touches down into a cloud of massless, scattered molecules, which also significantly increases her speed, and she can then reassemble elsewhere at will.

Can she disassemble people while she herself is disassembled? And does she have any potential time or stamina limit or could she potentially just stay untouchable for the entire fight?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That is essentially how durability in general works ngl. Everyone and everything can take a certain amount of damage before getting destroyed.

Not exactly, durability is the maximum amount of power you can withstand without serious injury. Aura barriers are very different, because they can withstand damage from attacks significantly above the user's own physical durability, but can also be brought down by constant attacks from stuff significantly weaker than them. It's why fodder Grimm are still considered threats in large numbers, because enough hits from an 8-C will eventually break even a Low 7-B's Aura barrier. It's why it doesn't have a set durability on the profiles, because it's damage absorption, not static durability

I don’t think he'd let them go after he gets close once. Mori fought several opponents in a situation where he literally NEEDED to hold them because he was disoriented due to his ear canals being busted which completely destroyed his balance.
So once he gets close he'd probably hold onto the person he's near and throw them around to block the other persons attacks. In case he has to.

Unless he can physically interact with something like Ruby's semblance state, he doesn't exactly have a choice. If they want to be moved out of cqc range, Ruby herself and Weiss down into scattered molecules and fly away with her.

How do those work

They're basically just healing items, like in a video game. Healing potions and canisters of condensed energy that restore their vitality and aura.

Wouldn't she have to grab her for that? Mori could just yank her out of the way

Yes and no, it's less 'grab' and more 'fly into', and if need be she can just grab both of them and then just fling Jin somewhere else, assuming Jin doesn't jave a resistance to being broken down like that.

These seem pretty dodgeable for Mori ngl. They're relatively similar to Greed and Megalodon which can basically appear right next to, below, or sometimes even inside the opponent and so Mori is already experienced with similar abilities.

Offensively sure, but a lot of their applications are defensive and utility for Weiss and her allies. If need be she can even make gravity glyphs around to lock Mori in place if he gets into cqc with her.

I appreciate the wiki links but ngl a gif would probably be better.

I'll see if i can find some, grimm eclipse stuff is kind of annoying to get scans for.

Can she disassemble people while she herself is disassembled? And does she have any potential time or stamina limit or could she potentially just stay untouchable for the entire fight?

She can yes, I'll grab scans of that as well. She is only limited by her Aura, Aura fuels semblances so if she runs out she can't use that ability anymore, but she can mitigate that with her Aura restorative equipment.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I appreciate the wiki links but ngl a gif would probably be better.

5:43 she uses Nova and then immediately follows up with Frostbite

Can she disassemble people while she herself is disassembled? And does she have any potential time or stamina limit or could she potentially just stay untouchable for the entire fight?

At 3:54 and 6:26

 

[DavidTPPM]

Not exactly, durability is the maximum amount of power you can withstand without serious injury. Aura barriers are very different, because they can withstand damage from attacks significantly above the user's own physical durability, but can also be brought down by constant attacks from stuff significantly weaker than them.

Isn't that exactly how durability generally works. Damage stacks up the more you hit something, it's why something as weak as a small river can reshape stones.

Unless he can physically interact with something like Ruby's semblance state, he doesn't exactly have a choice. If they want to be moved out of cqc range, Ruby herself and Weiss down into scattered molecules and fly away with her.

Not if Mori holds Weiss and doesn't let Ruby get to them.

Also molecules aren't really that untouchable just because they're disconnected. Especially if they're clumped up in a cloud, Mori could just blow the cloud apart if it gets close with a wide range attack. Air itself is also separate molecules capable of moving other molecules, and Moris main attacks are based around him manipulating air.

They're basically just healing items, like in a video game. Healing potions and canisters of condensed energy that restore their vitality and aura.

Yeah Mori ain't letting them drink potions mid fight. They would have to get far away from him and that's going to be nearly impossible to do more than once.

Yes and no, it's less 'grab' and more 'fly into', and if need be she can just grab both of them and then just fling Jin somewhere else, assuming Jin doesn't jave a resistance to being broken down like that.

So what if Mori just dodges or surrounds himself with a giant vortex?

Offensively sure, but a lot of their applications are defensive and utility for Weiss and her allies. If need be she can even make gravity glyphs around to lock Mori in place if he gets into cqc with her.

How does that work? And how common is it in character?

I'll see if i can find some, grimm eclipse stuff is kind of annoying to get scans for.

Alright

She can yes, I'll grab scans of that as well. She is only limited by her Aura, Aura fuels semblances so if she runs out she can't use that ability anymore, but she can mitigate that with her Aura restorative equipment.

At 3:54 and 6:26

She seemed to be out of breath from it pretty fast ngl. But I don't have context of the previous scenes so I can't say if she got tired beforehand or something like that.

Also it does seem to show that Mori can in fact interact with her, at least using air manip. Since she's still physical and can't just fly through solid objects or anything like that. Mori can completely surround his opponents with powerful air vortexes that shred the opponent inside (even ones made out of 2 KoBDs) and even surround himself which he used to absorb and block attacks made out of fire and air. So if it comes to it he could probably absorb her in her semblance state into his kick and blast her away into the ground, but worst case scenario he should either way be at least able to repel her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Isn't that exactly how durability generally works. Damage stacks up the more you hit something, it's why something as weak as a small river can reshape stones.

Is it not no. We have durability as a static value, if you're below a certain threshold you won't be damaged and if you are above a certain threshold you can get oneshot, whereas damage absorption is more flexible in the damage you can take but once it hits a limit its gone. Aura barriers dont have a static durability, it's how they're able to withstand blows from people 10x+ stronger than the user, but can still be broken by fodder 8-C Grimm after enough time.

Not if Mori holds Weiss and doesn't let Ruby get to them.

Like I said, Ruby can just break them both down and leave Jin somewhere else.

Also molecules aren't really that untouchable just because they're disconnected. Especially if they're clumped up in a cloud, Mori could just blow the cloud apart if it gets close with a wide range attack. Air itself is also separate molecules capable of moving other molecules, and Moris main attacks are based around him manipulating air.

That wouldn't do much of anything to Ruby, she has the ability to disperse her molecules while in her semblance state and then bring them back together into one cloud. She would just pull herself back together if mori tried that.

Yeah Mori ain't letting them drink potions mid fight. They would have to get far away from him and that's going to be nearly impossible to do more than once.

Ruby and Wriss having multiple layers of speed amps between Ruby's blitz level speed semblance, weiss' velocity glyphs, and the time dilation glyphs would give them more opportunities than youd think.

So what if Mori just dodges or surrounds himself with a giant vortex?

Ruby in her semblance state can also become a vortex so not much would happen.

How does that work? And how common is it in character?

Very common if she's forced into CQC. She can create a glyph under her feet that lock herself and/or her opponent to the ground. Alternatively she can create a finger-sized gravity glyph to instantly accelerate herself in order to avoid an attack. She can also create attraction glyphs on any vertical surface that pull the opponent towards those surfaces. There's also the aforementioned forcefield and time dilation that she has

Alright

5:43 she uses Nova and then immediately follows up with Frostbite

She seemed to be out of breath from it pretty fast ngl. But I don't have context of the previous scenes so I can't say if she got tired beforehand or something like that.

She was only out of breath from carrying her entire team, she was just fine after carrying Nora. She also carries Weiss in that same video without being out of breath.

Also it does seem to show that Mori can in fact interact with her, at least using air manip. Since she's still physical and can't just fly through solid objects or anything like that. Mori can completely surround his opponents with powerful air vortexes that shred the opponent inside (even ones made out of 2 KoBDs) and even surround himself which he used to absorb and block attacks made out of fire and air. So if it comes to it he could probably absorb her in her semblance state into his kick and blast her away into the ground, but worst case scenario he should either way be at least able to repel her.

Slight correction, she herself is not physical, Aura users can just interact with nonphysical opponents. And as I explained above, she can just come back together if her molecules are blown apart, seeing as thats something she does herself anyways.

 

[Phoenks]

Uhm, there is a lot of very obvious exaggeration and extrapolation going on here ... But I'm unable to get into it RN.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Uhm, there is a lot of very obvious exaggeration and extrapolation going on here ... But I'm unable to get into it RN.

For which side?

 

[Phoenks]

Yours

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yours

How so?

 

[Spinoirr]

Aura does work like a health bar, it can take dozens of hits from comparable characters and is in verse shown as a health bar

 

[Phoenks]

Unless he can physically interact with something like Ruby's semblance state, he doesn't exactly have a choice. If they want to be moved out of cqc range, Ruby herself and Weiss down into scattered molecules and fly away with her.

Ruby's semblance state is not intangible.

She's literally been hit out of it before. I've seen it in clips. In fact, I've even seen her end up hitting a solid wall and being transformed back into her normal state

Not to mention, just because it molecularly disassembled her doesn't mean those molecules can't be interacted with. Clearly the molecules are still somewhat bunched together given that form is still solidly visible.

That wouldn't do much of anything to Ruby, she has the ability to disperse her molecules while in her semblance state and then bring them back together into one cloud. She would just pull herself back together if mori tried that.

This is pure wank.

Ruby being able to reassemble herself from breaking herself down with her own ability is not at all the same as being able to reassemble herself after her broken down molecules have been scattered away by Mori's vortex air manipulation.

There is absolutely no evidence of her being able to do that. And if there was, you would need to first get it accepted that she has High level regeneration because wtf?

Slight correction, she herself is not physical, Aura users can just interact with nonphysical opponents. And as I explained above, she can just come back together if her molecules are blown apart, seeing as thats something she does herself anyways.

Molecules are physical building blocks of matter. She is not immaterial.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby's semblance state is not intangible.

She's literally been hit out of it before. I've seen it in clips. In fact, I've even seen her end up hitting a solid wall and being transformed back into her normal state

Not to mention, just because it molecularly disassembled her doesn't mean those molecules can't be interacted with. Clearly the molecules are still somewhat bunched together given that form is still solidly visible.

She is intangible. You may want to look at our profile for Aura, because Aura users can physically interact with intangible things, her being hit out of it by Aura users is not evidence of her not being intangible. Not sure where youre getting the idea that she's transformed back from hitting a wall before, can you post the clip youre referring to? I can post multiple clips of her dispersing around walls and going through them outright but I genuinely do not know what instance youre referring to.

This is pure wank.

Ruby being able to reassemble herself from breaking herself down with her own ability is not at all the same as being able to reassemble herself after her broken down molecules have been scattered away by Mori's vortex air manipulation.

There is absolutely no evidence of her being able to do that. And if there was, you would need to first get it accepted that she has High level regeneration because wtf?

She has pulled herself back together after splitting up her molecules before yes. Even as early as volume 4 she has had the ability to split up into multiple independent clusters of molecules. Its not regeneration, its elemental intangibility, she cant do this outside of her Semblance state.

Molecules are physical building blocks of matter. She is not immaterial.

Its elemental intangibility. Its literally on her profile.

 

[Spinoirr]

Ruby should be intangible given she literally turns into a cloud of molecules without any mass at all

Do not worry, Ruby is capable of traveling at an extreme velocity from one point to another by breaking herself down to her molecular components, thus negating her mass and then reassembling them at the destination, theoretically making it possible for her to transport all of us in the same way, as mass no longer matters.​

—Penny Polendina​

 

[Spinoirr]

It's more like trying to punch a cloud of gas, as gas is a cloud of molecules but also you're solid attacks go through it like nothing. Hence elemental Intangibility

 

[Thermor]

Voting Mori here.

 

[Phoenks]

She is intangible. You may want to look at our profile for Aura, because Aura users can physically interact with intangible things, her being hit out of it by Aura users is not evidence of her not being intangible. Not sure where youre getting the idea that she's transformed back from hitting a wall before, can you post the clip youre referring to? I can post multiple clips of her dispersing around walls and going through them outright but I genuinely do not know what instance youre referring to.

Molecules are not intangible.

Even if you argue some kind of weak elemental intangibility, Mori Jin's NPI is superior to that.

Non-Physical Interaction (Darkness, Energy & Soul/Spirit; Can fight with and interact with Borrowed Powers, which can manifest themselves as spirits of the dead, elemental energy,[22] and even things like shadows and darkness[23])

She has pulled herself back together after splitting up her molecules before yes. Even as early as volume 4 she has had the ability to split up into multiple independent clusters of molecules. Its not regeneration, its elemental intangibility, she cant do this outside of her Semblance state.

This is her ability. If you want to argue she can regenerate from someone else scattering her molecules, you would need a thread and evidence of that. Which would also likely put her at High regeneration.

Without that, you are indeed wanking here. Her being able to reassemble herself is not the same as reassembling after another person has scattered her.

Do not worry, Ruby is capable of traveling at an extreme velocity from one point to another by breaking herself down to her molecular components, thus negating her mass and then reassembling them at the destination, theoretically making it possible for her to transport all of us in the same way, as mass no longer matters.

I love how this makes zero sense.

Molecules have mass lmfao.

RWBY writing moment.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Voting Mori here.

We havent even finished debating if he can win or not yet

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Molecules are not intangible.

Again, its elemental intangibility

Even if you argue some kind of weak elemental intangibility, Mori Jin's NPI is superior to that.

Looking at his profile he does not have the type of NPI required to be able to interact with Ruby.

Intangibility

Intangibility is the ability to pass through things physically. Characters with this ability are simply unaffected by attacks, as they pass through their bodies. This can also allow them to pass through walls and other physical objects. The exact mechanics of intangibility differ depending on...

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Jin has NPI that affects Darkness, Energy, and Souls/Spirits, which would be Type 2 NPI, Immaterial, while Ruby has Type 1 NPI, which is Elemental. Ergo he would not be able to physically interact with her in her semblance state.

This is her ability. If you want to argue she can regenerate from someone else scattering her molecules, you would need a thread and evidence of that. Which would also likely put her at High regeneration.

Without that, you are indeed wanking here. Her being able to reassemble herself is not the same as reassembling after another person has scattered her.

She isnt regenerating though, you are making up an ability she does not have.

 

[Spinoirr]

It's more like trying to punch a cloud of gas, as gas is a cloud of molecules but also you're solid attacks go through it like nothing. Hence elemental Intangibility

I feel like you're taking it too literally

I punch, someone who turns into gas (a cloud of molecules). Did I actually physically hit them or not? That's elemental Intangibility

 

[Phoenks]

Again, its elemental intangibility

Elemental intangibility is not real intangibility. Elemental intangibility just turns you into a form that makes you harder to physically interact with, such as water, air, and fire.

Water, air, and fire are all physical things though. They are not immaterial. You can physically interact with water, fire, and air, it is just more difficult than it would be with a solid, especially since they can typically reform through that element.

However, this does not make them impossible to physically interact with. Nor does it make them "intangible" by the dictionary definition of intangibility. That being something which lacks "physical presence."

Looking at his profile he does not have the type of NPI required to be able to interact with Ruby.

You're being extremely disingenuous to the point that it is comical.

Mori Jin literally has NPI required to interact with things that are actually intangible and immaterial, which is already way beyond the capacity of Ruby's pseudo-intangibility (elemental intangibility)

The guy can interact with literal darkness, energy, and souls, all of which completely lack a physical presence. So explain to me why we should not assume he should not also be capable of interacting with someone who simply has a more diluted physical presence? One of those things is very, very clearly superior to the other.

And this can not be compared to a case of something like... a character who can interact with souls VS a character who is intangible by virtue of having BDE Type 1 and such. Because in that case, both are actually immaterial and intangible, but through differing mechanics.

Here, Ruby does not even reach the baseline of being an immaterial entity. She is just a cloud of molecules. It is completely ridiculous to assume Mori wouldn't be able to interact with that given his NPI.

Then there is also the fact that Mori Jin can quite literally make his own elemental air attacks, which would affect Ruby regardless of this argument.

She isnt regenerating though, you are making up an ability she does not have.

You are the one making up something she doesn't have, which is the ability to reassemble after her disassembled molecules have been scattered away by an external force.

Something which you have yet to prove. And if you were to prove it, it would indeed be a form of regeneration. Very blatantly so. The ability to reform after being reduced to scattered molecules is High regeneration.

 

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Elemental intangibility is not real intangibility. Elemental intangibility just turns you into a form that makes you harder to physically interact with, such as water, air, and fire.

Water, air, and fire are all physical things though. They are not immaterial. You can physically interact with water, fire, and air, it is just more difficult than it would be with a solid, especially since they can typically reform through that element.

However, this does not make them impossible to physically interact with. Nor does it make them "intangible" by the dictionary definition of intangibility. That being something which lacks "physical presence."

Intangibility

Intangibility is the ability to pass through things physically. Characters with this ability are simply unaffected by attacks, as they pass through their bodies. This can also allow them to pass through walls and other physical objects. The exact mechanics of intangibility differ depending on...

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Mon frere this feels more like an argument against Elemental Intangibility being included on the intangibility profile

You're being extremely disingenuous to the point that it is comical.

Mori Jin literally has NPI required to interact with things that are actually intangible and immaterial, which is already way beyond the capacity of Ruby's pseudo-intangibility (elemental intangibility)

The guy can interact with literal darkness, energy, and souls, all of which completely lack a physical presence. So explain to me why we should not assume he should not also be capable of interacting with someone who simply has a more diluted physical presence? One of those things is very, very clearly superior to the other.

And this can not be compared to a case of something like... a character who can interact with souls VS a character who is intangible by virtue of having BDE Type 1 and such. Because in that case, both are actually immaterial and intangible, but through differing mechanics.

Here, Ruby does not even reach the baseline of being an immaterial entity. She is just a cloud of molecules. It is completely ridiculous to assume Mori wouldn't be able to interact with that given his NPI.

Then there is also the fact that Mori Jin can quite literally make his own elemental air attacks, which would affect Ruby regardless of this argument.

Non-Physical Interaction

The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings or objects. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects or life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm. It should be noted that the...

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The Non-Physical Interaction profile hard contradicts this line of thought. You need to have specific showings of interacting with specific types of intangibility in order to be able to argue you can interact with them in a vs sense.

You are the one making up something she doesn't have, which is the ability to reassemble after her disassembled molecules have been scattered away by an external force.

Something which you have yet to prove. And if you were to prove it, it would indeed be a form of regeneration. Very blatantly so. The ability to reform after being reduced to scattered molecules is High regeneration.

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Still waiting for that scan you claimed you had about Ruby's semblance being stopped by a wall btw

 

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Genuinely this feels like a gripe with the way we treat intangibility and NPI, feels like this is a conversation for a separate thread.

 

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The Non-Physical Interaction profile hard contradicts this line of thought. You need to have specific showings of interacting with specific types of intangibility in order to be able to argue you can interact with them in a vs sense.

This only applies to things that are different forms of actual immaterial/more abstract than physical. As they have more specific mechanics and levels going for them.

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You are the one making up something she doesn't have, which is the ability to reassemble after her disassembled molecules have been scattered away by an external force.

You seem to have critically, and probably purposefully, missed the main factor of my argument. An external force that scatters her is not the same as her scattering herself.

If she was to activate her semblance, but then have all her molecules blown away by one of Mori Jin's wind kicks, there is no evidence to suggest she'd be able to reform from that. As that is now an external force acting on her molecules and further separating them. Rather than her own ability doing that job.

Oh and btw, here is an instance where Ruby is kicked out of her semblance by a kick. (2:41)

Should be noted that Aura users only even have NPI with preparation according to the profile. And it has nothing to do with something like Ruby's ability. It seems completely conditional, even.

Non-Physical Interaction with Preparation: If attacked by a Chill, specialized Huntsmen are often used to save people by removing the incorporeal Grimm from a person's body.