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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

Tony_di_bugalu said:
If you look at the blog that is used for scaling Abigail it actually says demon kings in general but alas spanish should be more precise here.
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I don't see where it says that he's talking about demon kings in general in the blog.

Tony_di_bugalu said:
Except, you know, some demons don't care about the crown or the throne so we can't realistically place them in the same category.
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They are still demons, so by DMC definition they enjoy violence and fighting. Even honorable demons like Berial and Balrog have shown this, the latter even wanting to fight Argosax without seeking to be the demon king.

As a demon king you have to be more powerful than all the other demons because otherwise you could lose against some of them and even if they don't seek the throne you would still have lost your reputation (assuming you didn't die first).


Tony_di_bugalu said:
I guess you haven't played DMC2. Short explanation, Dante is the most serious he has ever been and basically went around killing everything (except Arius for very contrived Plot reasons) and the fact that Bolverk not only fought him once and managed to run away shows he is a cut above the rest.
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DMC4 Dante also literally killed every boss he faced, and even then he gave Berial a chance to escape in the first place probably because he was an honorable demon. He just probably do the same to Bolverk (also a demon warrior like Berial and Balrog), which explains why the latter survived the first time.

Tony_di_bugalu said:
If you bring the whole Argosax thing like Random did, there were actually talks about him scaling above Argosax but we never reached a consensus and the topic was forgotten.
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A debate that shouldn't even exist because it's ridiculous to think that a demon general is more powerful than a demon king.

Tony_di_bugalu said:
We are talking a very large group of people who worshipped evil to the point they created this tower, said tower contains a ton of knowledge and all of this was done before Mundus came into the picture. Using PoC here, the book of demons was actually found inside the temen-ni-gru library (the one you fight Lady in) and the book of demons was created by Matriarch Mathilda from a demon she sealed.

Mathilda as a name wasn't registered up until the 11 century (could be a bit wrong but it's irrelevant to the point) while the Matriarch existed like 1 thousand years prior to that.

Names in the DMC world existing in different eras compared to our real world is a thing and most likely the same with Allan.
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Tony_di_bugalu said:
It was an example of how things that are "modern" were already a thing way back in the past of DMC.

We can also go with PoC for this as Mathilda sealed a demons over 2k years ago and the name Mathilda (from a quick google search) didn't pop up until the 11 century.
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PoC is an alternate universe with differences in the Demon World history so expect that there will be some in the Human World history as well.
 
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Where is the source of this last statement? The one where it says breathing demonic air turns others into demons? The page says "Bradly Guide Mission 10", I checked both Dante's and Lucia's but there is no mention of Demons being able to transform humans into monsters on either of their Mission 10 sections

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Hey, here is a fun fact: Do not uninstall DMC HD Collection from Steam, or you'll lose everything you put there and you'll have to start from 0 :)
 
Drite77 said:
Do we consider Lady facing Blitzes in DMC 4 as cannon or not?
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Honestly, Lady faces an Angelo in DMC4 and should get some stuff for that. You have no idea how hard it was to even get her missile calc made.
 
Iirc long ago there was an attempt to get Lady scaled higher, cuz Dante counted her and Trish the strongest women he knew along whatever demons she faced in DMC4
 
Lady is stated to have fought multiple demon lords in BtN, so unless this was used as evidence to support her ratings, Lady maybe deserve anotther thread tbh.
 
Well, as I wait for RH to respond, I'll post this:

Ok lads, one thing's for sure, the current profile for the Games universe Lady sucks, so I took upon me to fix it, as you can find it here

The original profile is here, and I'll mention a few problems I have with it:
  1. The Keys are not well divided, there is no key for 2007 Anime and it, somehow, has a key for DMC 5
  2. Most of the explanations are ripped straight out of the DMC wiki, it is honestly embarrassing.
  3. No references where it matters the most
  4. No links for most of the abilities, and a lot of the links are just broken
  5. INT has no actual rating
  6. Notable attacks and techniques lacks a lot of her named attacks

As you can see with the fix I have prepared, I changed several things, let's go with them:
  1. Removed PoC equipment, as that is considered an alternate timeline
  2. Removed resistance to Corruption type 2, yesterday I asked for someone to give me a screenshot of that ability, nobody did, so it'll be not on the profile. If someone can actually provide me with a scan proving Corruption type 2, I can add it back, otherwise, it stays out
  3. Removed the Crossbow from her Standard Equipment. Gotta be honest, I didn't see it, if I'm wrong, point it out to me and it'll be back there
  4. Added resistance to Emphatic, Mind and Madness manip, combined with resistance to feat and added the scans for that
  5. Added the scans for basically everything, as well as providing a better explanation for every ability instead of just "With Kalina Ann"
  6. Tried to move away from the plagiarised things from DMC wiki, still kept a few, but did my best to put my own spin instead of copying's someone work
  7. Added references in all abilities and all important stat things
  8. Added proper keys. DMC 3 is one, The Animated Series boasts a few abilities that Lady didn't on 3, as well as better feats for other categories, such as Weapon Mastery and Martial Arts. Combined DMC 4 and 5 as there is no reason they should be separated, at most, Lady from 5 gains a single new attack, which barely makes a difference
  9. Separated Lady's equipment by keys, DMC 4 adds equipment she didn't had before
  10. Dante's attacks with the Kalina Ann (Grapple and Paranoia) were added to Lady's notable attacks, as they shouldn't be exclusive to Dante as there is no indication he used his powers to alter it in any way
  11. Scaled a lot of DMC 4 Lady's stats with Blitz, once again, I asked, and nobody answered, but I think this is supposed to be true. If it isn't I'll remove it before posting a CRT to fix Lady's profile
However, the profile is not quite done, and I need a few people who have connections to Calc Group Members and have DMC 4 on PC to do a few things:
  1. The Image I'm using for her Shotgun is not hers, it is Coyote A's, so if someone can send me how her Shotgun actually looks I would be appreciated
  2. I calculated Lady kicking the Blonde ***** into the bench and got 53 Kilojoules. Doesn't back scale to her DMC 3 self, but now Lady has a vallue for her physicals
  3. I calculated Lady dodging Trish's Lighting and got Mach 146, an improvement over the baseline High Hypersonic+ (Only for the Animated series since, as I've stated before, I scaled DMC 4 Lady to Blitz, who is MHS+
  4. I calculated the power of Lady's handguns, since she legit just blew a Demon's arm with them, got 13 Megajoules, Wall level+, which is pretty neat. Once again, doesn't scale to herself in 3 as those guns seemed much weaker, but it scals to 4 and 5's handguns
Anyone who can do the 1st one I would appreciate a lot, and if anyone can get a CGM to evaluate those 3 calcs so that we can, at least, put some numbers into Lady's post DMC 3 keys, I would also appreciate it. Also worth noting I'll be making a CRT for this as I believe I can't just post this without one
 
Drite77 said:
Well, as I wait for RH to respond, I'll post this:

Ok lads, one thing's for sure, the current profile for the Games universe Lady sucks, so I took upon me to fix it, as you can find it here

The original profile is here, and I'll mention a few problems I have with it:
  1. The Keys are not well divided, there is no key for 2007 Anime and it, somehow, has a key for DMC 5
  2. Most of the explanations are ripped straight out of the DMC wiki, it is honestly embarrassing.
  3. No references where it matters the most
  4. No links for most of the abilities, and a lot of the links are just broken
  5. INT has no actual rating
  6. Notable attacks and techniques lacks a lot of her named attacks

As you can see with the fix I have prepared, I changed several things, let's go with them:
  1. Removed PoC equipment, as that is considered an alternate timeline
  2. Removed resistance to Corruption type 2, yesterday I asked for someone to give me a screenshot of that ability, nobody did, so it'll be not on the profile. If someone can actually provide me with a scan proving Corruption type 2, I can add it back, otherwise, it stays out
  3. Removed the Crossbow from her Standard Equipment. Gotta be honest, I didn't see it, if I'm wrong, point it out to me and it'll be back there
  4. Added resistance to Emphatic, Mind and Madness manip, combined with resistance to feat and added the scans for that
  5. Added the scans for basically everything, as well as providing a better explanation for every ability instead of just "With Kalina Ann"
  6. Tried to move away from the plagiarised things from DMC wiki, still kept a few, but did my best to put my own spin instead of copying's someone work
  7. Added references in all abilities and all important stat things
  8. Added proper keys. DMC 3 is one, The Animated Series boasts a few abilities that Lady didn't on 3, as well as better feats for other categories, such as Weapon Mastery and Martial Arts. Combined DMC 4 and 5 as there is no reason they should be separated, at most, Lady from 5 gains a single new attack, which barely makes a difference
  9. Separated Lady's equipment by keys, DMC 4 adds equipment she didn't had before
  10. Dante's attacks with the Kalina Ann (Grapple and Paranoia) were added to Lady's notable attacks, as they shouldn't be exclusive to Dante as there is no indication he used his powers to alter it in any way
  11. Scaled a lot of DMC 4 Lady's stats with Blitz, once again, I asked, and nobody answered, but I think this is supposed to be true. If it isn't I'll remove it before posting a CRT to fix Lady's profile
However, the profile is not quite done, and I need a few people who have connections to Calc Group Members and have DMC 4 on PC to do a few things:
  1. The Image I'm using for her Shotgun is not hers, it is Coyote A's, so if someone can send me how her Shotgun actually looks I would be appreciated
  2. I calculated Lady kicking the Blonde ***** into the bench and got 53 Kilojoules. Doesn't back scale to her DMC 3 self, but now Lady has a vallue for her physicals
  3. I calculated Lady dodging Trish's Lighting and got Mach 146, an improvement over the baseline High Hypersonic+ (Only for the Animated series since, as I've stated before, I scaled DMC 4 Lady to Blitz, who is MHS+
  4. I calculated the power of Lady's handguns, since she legit just blew a Demon's arm with them, got 13 Megajoules, Wall level+, which is pretty neat. Once again, doesn't scale to herself in 3 as those guns seemed much weaker, but it scals to 4 and 5's handguns
Anyone who can do the 1st one I would appreciate a lot, and if anyone can get a CGM to evaluate those 3 calcs so that we can, at least, put some numbers into Lady's post DMC 3 keys, I would also appreciate it. Also worth noting I'll be making a CRT for this as I believe I can't just post this without one
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Hold on, I'll get to this. I'm not sure Lady needs keys though.

For the Angelo, her Kalina Ann allows for killing it with the bayonet device.

I'm also interested in the Blade and Assault being able to dig through the ground at high speeds including stone and even steel ground.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
I'm not sure Lady needs keys though.
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She does, she gets new stuff in the Animated Series and in DMC 4 that she doesn't have in DMC 3, she is also clearly much more skilled

Edit: For the Blades and Assaults, ground ain't going to yield a lot '-', for Lady being able to kill things with her Kalina Ann, I'm skeptical of scaling to "Can kill an Angelo in two hits", but I already made her striking strength 8-C via hurting Blitzes
 
Drite77 said:
She does, she gets new stuff in the Animated Series and in DMC 4 that she doesn't have in DMC 3, she is also clearly much more skilled
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Same equipment and whatnot, so it's a bit debatable.
Drite77 said:
Edit: For the Blades and Assaults, ground ain't going to yield a lot '-', for Lady being able to kill things with her Kalina Ann, I'm skeptical of scaling to "Can kill an Angelo in two hits", but I already made her striking strength 8-C via hurting Blitzes
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Not for the higher tiers. This is for the weakest demons.
 
Drite77 said:
Where is the source of this last statement? The one where it says breathing demonic air turns others into demons? The page says "Bradly Guide Mission 10", I checked both Dante's and Lucia's but there is no mention of Demons being able to transform humans into monsters on either of their Mission 10 sections

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Its from 3124 artbook actually, it says Msira was a human before they change completely into demon because breathing in demon air
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
Same equipment and whatnot, so it's a bit debatable.
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She doesn't have the shotgun until DMC 4, her speed changes with better feats in each of the keys, her abilities get better (Hysteric in DMC 4 is much better then her Hysteric in DMC 3, for example), she gets better skill feats in each installment and she gets attacks she didn't had in DMC 4, like Multipleand Double Barrels, her own weapons get stronger (They go from working like normal guns to exploding huge pieces of Demons)

I don't see why she wouldn't have new keys
 
Thehunter077 said:
Its from 3124 artbook actually, it says Msira are was a human before they change completely into demon because breathing in demon air
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And any proof Lady breathed said Demonic Air? It's clearly not passive as none of the humans in 5 or the Animated Series were transformed into Demons
 
Drite77 said:
And any proof Lady breathed said Demonic Air? It's clearly not passive as none of the humans in 5 or the Animated Series were transformed into Demons
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I never remember Lady even went into Demon World, so we shouldn't scale or give her resistance. Patty maybe can although Alan Tears protected her or simply because of being Alan's descendants.

Also we don't know if animated series and 5 make large enough portal to demonic air sphread through Human realm, Abigail just summoned another demons and 5 make it clear that most of humans got drained for Urizen juice.
 
Thehunter077 said:
I never remember Lady even went into Demon World
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She didn't she was just close to a Demon Portal, which I believe still gives her the disease resistance, but I don't know the full context and if just being near a portal doesn't make you ill I'll remove it
 
Drite77 said:
She didn't she was just close to a Demon Portal, which I believe still gives her the disease resistance, but I don't know the full context and if just being near a portal doesn't make you ill I'll remove it
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I honestly don't remember being near portal could give you disease unless you touch it or be very close to it to feel its side effects.
 
Ang4I00 said:
That's because the Demon World was already "replacing" Human World and the Demon World nexus was there, just being near a portal obviously doesn't count
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Then I wonder who gave that resistance to Lady to begin with '-'. Guess she'll just stay with a high tolerance to pain all of the mental things
 
Drite77 said:
Then I wonder who gave that resistance to Lady to begin with '-'. Guess she'll just stay with a high tolerance to pain all of the mental things
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... I think he meant that she was within the vacinity of the event so she would have it as a result?
 
SuperSonicTL said:
... I think he meant that she was within the vacinity of the event so she would have it as a result?
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But if there is nothing that says Demon portals do those things we can't equate them. The Demon World being fused into the Human world is a mucher bigger deal then being closer to a portal, same for the Demonic Air, as there is no proof the air was contamined
 
Something, something, the nexus and a simple ass portal are way too different so being near a portal doesn't mean someone can be near a nexus.

Lady should have most resistances to whatever lesser and low level demons have and can use offensively

Lady in 3 practically tanked a point blank Kalina Ann explosion

Lady's profile is outdated as heck, I blame Lightning for that

The anime kalina ann explosion should be a low-ball

In 4 she claims she could defeat the angelos if she had proper gear (which is weird considering her strongest weapon that we know of is Kalina Ann)

Yes, she folds Nante.

Something, something.
 
Lady should have resistance to Demon World's passives since in Fortuna she was helping Trish deal with the invasion of demons after Agnus opens the Main Hell Gate which according to him the infection of demonic power in the Island was so high that it fells being in the Underworld himself!
 
Mister6ame6 said:
Lady should have resistance to Demon World's passives since in Fortuna she was helping Trish deal with the invasion of demons after Agnus opens the Main Hell Gate which according to him the infection of demonic power in the Island was so high that it fells being in the Underworld himself!
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Yet, none of the citizens were affected by it?
 
Drite77 said:
Yet, none of the citizens were affected by it?
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Some humans in DMC aren't exactly normal and do resist things, but it is strange for a whole populace to do so. We do know that portals do turn humans into things sometimes, such as DMC2 and DMC3.

Lady should resist the passives that come from demons themselves though.
 
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