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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

UnoRebaixadO said:
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Well, Vegeta did something similar in the manga. I’m not sure if that’s what you’re talking about.

Trunks also did this in the anime
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This scene always bothered me. Vegeta is repeatedly becoming 2% as powerful and fast but rose can’t just obliterate him
 
UnoRebaixadO said:
I think it's more likely that he uses his Ultra Instinct with the kaioken
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And "die*? Even disregarding the physical strain incurred by Kaio-ken multiplying the user's Ki by several times the normal limits, in the manga, he has already tried and failed; in the manga, Goku has already tried strengthening Ultra Instinct -Sign- via Power-Stressing, "relying on sheer power" through principles described as identical to those of Kaio-ken; which "destroys [the user's] body", drains physical stamina, inhibits the user's "sense and reason", and explicitly does not allow for the use of full potential of Ultra Instinct.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
It would be really cool if he could switch to other forms instantly and keep changing like a fan manga about DB that i saw.
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See Vs. Future Trunks, see Vs. Majin Buu, see Vs. Buuhan, see Vs. Beerus, see Vs. Hit, see Vs. Jiren (manga) or Vs. Jiren (anime).
StekFence said:
This scene always bothered me. Vegeta is repeatedly becoming 2% as powerful and fast but rose can’t just obliterate him
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Y'know, neither the Z-Fighters or the Zamases ever explicitly bring it up, but given that the only confirmed difference between Rosé and Blue is a Kai's soul, which only alters the form's color, I really don't see why Black wouldn't be losing energy.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Y'know, neither the Z-Fighters or the Zamases ever explicitly bring it up, but given that the only confirmed difference between Rosé and Blue is a Kai's soul, which only alters the form's color, I really don't see why Black wouldn't be losing energy.
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But it also strangely and very clearly doesn't lose Ki, either. At least, not in the same way Vegeta demonstrated back in U6vU7. Hell, the whole point of doing it against Black is to sidestep the fact Blue loses strength (while Black’s form seemingly doesn't) by repeatedly transforming to maintain 100%, which he also trained to be above Black’s SSR.

Something about Black, specifically, sidesteps the cost of Blue.
 
It appears to vary in size between the two use cases, as seen with the Granolah shot having it be much smaller.

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Additionally, the shot below is likely being the best form of comparison between it's height and Goku.
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Goku is 5'9, so you can probably pixel measure the exact high via Goku's body, accounting for Avatar's more crouched body rather than a straight standing comparison. Now, I dunno how exactly to do all that, so if I just used Goku as a reference point and just guessed the general height of the Avatar, I'd probably say something akin the Oozaru, Cell Max, or Giant Piccolo, which are like, what, over 100 feet tall?
 
RedReaper616 said:
But it also strangely and very clearly doesn't lose Ki, either. At least, not in the same way Vegeta demonstrated back in U6vU7. Hell, the whole point of doing it against Black is to sidestep the fact Blue loses strength (while Black’s form seemingly doesn't) by repeatedly transforming to maintain 100%, which he also trained to be above Black’s SSR.

Something about Black, specifically, sidesteps the cost of Blue.
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To be brutally honest the manga Goku Black arc is ass. Super manga up until Moro is mid as ****. It gets hyped up because saying the manga is better makes you sound smart but I seldom here meaningful reasons as to why.

Like even paneling and choreography is buns at times.
 
RedReaper616 said:
It appears to vary in size between the two use cases, as seen with the Granolah shot having it be much smaller.

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Additionally, the shot below is likely being the best form of comparison between it's height and Goku.
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Goku is 5'9, so you can probably pixel measure the exact high via Goku's body, accounting for Avatar's more crouched body rather than a straight standing comparison. Now, I dunno how exactly to do all that, so if I just used Goku as a reference point and just guessed the general height of the Avatar, I'd probably say something akin the Oozaru, Cell Max, or Giant Piccolo, which are like, what, over 100 feet tall?
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This megazord is listed as large size type 1 and 2

then around 100 meters
 
I thought it was wrong that other characters didn't have type 4 acausality in their DB profiles, for example Trunks, who is from the original timeline that was erased by Zeno, and that didn't match his destruction in another timeline. Changes in the past or present don't affect other timelines, so Trunks is protected from anything that happens in the future. Would give type 4 acausality to all profiles. This thing that is in the profile happens because of the timelines. Bills' hakai ended up creating another timeline by erasing Zamasu from the present, something wrong is not right.
 
How does link between body, soul and mind work in Dragon Ball. Is there for example soulless beings?
IIRC, mind and soul inexplicably linked, and killing soul would automatically kill mind too.
 
Qurbonboev said:
How does link between body, soul and mind work in Dragon Ball.
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Unclear. We know these elements work together to make Ki, we know that the Soul traditionally “holds” the mind (as seen when people die and their minds go with their Souls), we know that the Soul and Body intermingle (as seen with Goku Black) which affects the output of Ki, and we know that Ki is another word for Spirit (the Yardrat understanding of controlling life energy( which is another word for Soul (as Moro consumes your Soul via your Ki). Also, somewhere in the mix, there’s your Life Span.
Qurbonboev said:
Is there for example soulless beings?
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Robots. Like A19 or A16.
Qurbonboev said:
IIRC, mind and soul inexplicably linked, and killing soul would automatically kill mind too.
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As traditionally happens when you die.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Unclear. We know these elements work together to make Ki, we know that the Soul traditionally “holds” the mind (as seen when people die and their minds go with their Souls), we know that the Soul and Body intermingle (as seen with Goku Black) which affects the output of Ki, and we know that Ki is another word for Spirit (the Yardrat understanding of controlling life energy( which is another word for Soul (as Moro consumes your Soul via your Ki). Also, somewhere in the mix, there’s your Life Span.

Robots. Like A19 or A16.

As traditionally happens when you die.
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In some universes, destiny also exists in the soul, If I'm not mistaken, in Re:zero it's like this

maybe one day
 
Qurbonboev said:
Yes, but there are plenty of characters in fiction that can comeback from soul and body erasure if mind is intact. Do Dragon Ball characters have a way to erase mind directy? Would hakai work on them?
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In DB, when the Hakai erases you…you just get erased. So there’s no real way to quantify that outside of the fact that when your mind typically goes with your Soul when wiped out. If you mean targeting the mind for attacks in erasure general, not really a thing in Dragon Ball.
 
I don't think so. She only has two film appearances, I think, Second Coming and Wrath of the Dragon. In the first she blatantly doesn't scale to Broly, (who also isn't 2-C anyway), and in the second she blatantly doesn't scale to Hirudegarn, as even his suppressed, rampaging bottom half no-sells her and sends her careening, causing Gohan to power up to try and fight it. With that in mind, she doesn't have any 2-C scaling. Oh, she also appears in Fusion Reborn, where she faces nameless fodder, watches and cheers as Gohan cleans up big names, and then goes offscreen with Gohan for awhile. (Meaning nothing meaningful).

I think the best you could do is analyzing her efforts against the Fusion Reborn fodder, see who or what they are, and try to scale from there. But she's definitely not 2-C.
 
I mean she did survive an attack that caused SSJ Vegeta some trouble and eventually caused him to pass out, though he was damaged and was more focusing on creating force field to protect civilians at the time in fairness.
Also the attack Vegeta blocked was Pre-Tranformed Hirudegarn while Videl took the posted transformed fire blast.
 
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Tots_Real said:
I mean she did survive an attack that caused SSJ Vegeta some trouble and eventually caused him to pass out, though he was damaged and was more focusing on creating force field to protect civilians at the time in fairness.
Also the attack Vegeta blocked was Pre-Tranformed Hirudegarn while Videl took the posted transformed fire blast.
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Oh yeah true and real, videl is leagues higher then Ssj vegeta
 
StekFence said:
Oh yeah true and real, videl is leagues higher then Ssj vegeta
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I mean it's Begeta, he exists to job.
Toei Tein and Yamcha were already stronger than him in base during the the Cell Saga, never underestimate his ability to make the villain look strong.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
for example Trunks, who is from the original timeline that was erased by Zeno, and that didn't match his destruction in another timeline. Changes in the past or present don't affect other timelines, so Trunks is protected from anything that happens in the future.
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Are you implying he should have been erased with the timeline? Does the Time Machine have Acausality, too? Does the heart virus medicine disappear from history? Why would they be fundamentally linked to and bound by their timeline? Future Zamasu was of Future Trunks's world, and Zamases exist after Zen-Oh's erased the timeline.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Bills' hakai ended up creating another timeline by erasing Zamasu from the present
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Because of time travel.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I thought it was wrong that other characters didn't have type 4 acausality in their DB profiles, for example Trunks, who is from the original timeline that was erased by Zeno, and that didn't match his destruction in another timeline. Changes in the past or present don't affect other timelines, so Trunks is protected from anything that happens in the future. Would give type 4 acausality to all profiles. This thing that is in the profile happens because of the timelines
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No, this is just weird mechanic of DB timeline, or fiction in general


LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Bills' hakai ended up creating another timeline by erasing Zamasu from the present, something wrong is not right
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Zamasu/Black was literally protected by the Time Ring
 
  1. If Piccolo and Kami share one soul, why do they possess separate bodies and Ki?
  2. Cell was created through gene and cell recombination (biotechnology) and has an individual soul. Why does he possess the Ki of his genetic constituents?
  3. How can Ki be transferred and absorbed without transferring one's soul—and, thus, their consciousness?
  4. Goku and Future Trunks are separate beings with separate souls. Why, then, did Trunks possess "the same [Ki] as [Goku]" as a Super Saiyan?
  5. Why is the emotion of evil capable of producing evil Ki, which feels distinct from normal Ki?
  6. Why couldn't Goku sense Spopovich's Ki if he was only undead, not soulless?
  7. Do planets and stars have souls? They possess Ki.
  8. Why are mortals even capable of developing God Ki and the Ki of the Gods of Destruction if they do not possess godly souls?
  9. Why couldn't Goku recognize Kami's Ki after he possessed Shen's body; or Piccolo's Ki after he merged with Nail? Why couldn't Krillin recognize Goku's Ki after he returned from the Medical Machine? Why couldn't Vegeta recognize Goku and Gohan's Ki after they returned from the Room of Spirit and Time; or Gohan's Ki after his training with Piccolo in preparation for the Tournament of Power? Why couldn't Gohan recognize Goku's Ki after he became a Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Buu? Why couldn't Piccolo recognize Gohan's Ki after his potential was fully unleashed by the Elder Kai?
 
ki is a concept bro 🔥
Nullflowerblush said:
  1. If Piccolo and Kami share one soul, why do they possess separate bodies and Ki?
  2. Cell was created through gene and cell recombination (biotechnology) and has an individual soul. Why does he possess the Ki of his genetic constituents?
  3. How can Ki be transferred and absorbed without transferring one's soul—and, thus, their consciousness?
  4. Goku and Future Trunks are separate beings with separate souls. Why, then, did Trunks possess "the same [Ki] as [Goku]" as a Super Saiyan?
  5. Why is the emotion of evil capable of producing evil Ki, which feels distinct from normal Ki?
  6. Why couldn't Goku sense Spopovich's Ki if he was only undead, not soulless?
  7. Do planets and stars have souls? They possess Ki.
  8. Why are mortals even capable of developing God Ki and the Ki of the Gods of Destruction if they do not possess godly souls?
  9. Why couldn't Goku recognize Kami's Ki after he possessed Shen's body; or Piccolo's Ki after he merged with Nail? Why couldn't Krillin recognize Goku's Ki after he returned from the Medical Machine? Why couldn't Vegeta recognize Goku and Gohan's Ki after they returned from the Room of Spirit and Time; or Gohan's Ki after his training with Piccolo in preparation for the Tournament of Power? Why couldn't Gohan recognize Goku's Ki after he became a Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Buu? Why couldn't Piccolo recognize Gohan's Ki after his potential was fully unleashed by the Elder Kai?
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Nullflowerblush said:
  1. If Piccolo and Kami share one soul, why do they possess separate bodies and Ki?
  2. Cell was created through gene and cell recombination (biotechnology) and has an individual soul. Why does he possess the Ki of his genetic constituents?
  3. How can Ki be transferred and absorbed without transferring one's soul—and, thus, their consciousness?
  4. Goku and Future Trunks are separate beings with separate souls. Why, then, did Trunks possess "the same [Ki] as [Goku]" as a Super Saiyan?
  5. Why is the emotion of evil capable of producing evil Ki, which feels distinct from normal Ki?
  6. Why couldn't Goku sense Spopovich's Ki if he was only undead, not soulless?
  7. Do planets and stars have souls? They possess Ki.
  8. Why are mortals even capable of developing God Ki and the Ki of the Gods of Destruction if they do not possess godly souls?
  9. Why couldn't Goku recognize Kami's Ki after he possessed Shen's body; or Piccolo's Ki after he merged with Nail? Why couldn't Krillin recognize Goku's Ki after he returned from the Medical Machine? Why couldn't Vegeta recognize Goku and Gohan's Ki after they returned from the Room of Spirit and Time; or Gohan's Ki after his training with Piccolo in preparation for the Tournament of Power? Why couldn't Gohan recognize Goku's Ki after he became a Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Buu? Why couldn't Piccolo recognize Gohan's Ki after his potential was fully unleashed by the Elder Kai?
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Ki being a concept now
 
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