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Old Tier up to Universe level+ with Omnipotence (Shibai&OHTSUTSUKI GODS)

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The first thing I wanted to point out is that the VSBW’s interpretation of “the creation of the world,” or rather “the worlds,” is actually a mistranslation. It’s an unreliable rendering that doesn’t align at all with the original Japanese text, which conveys a completely different meaning. I want to make that clear before we go any further. In any case, I’ll provide the panels, the evidence, and everything necessary to demonstrate that it’s indeed a poor translation — and that, in reality, the text refers to a single god, a single world, and the concept of Genesis. But we’ll get into that later.

1.we’ll demonstrate the relativity of the gods. Each god, when they ascend to godhood — the divine realm — stands on equal footing with the others. The Ōtsutsuki, once they become gods, all share the same level of divinity. They possess relative equality in terms of their techniques and characteristics, meaning they are all capable of the same feats. In fact, all the Ōtsutsuki strive to reach this perfect divine state. There’s no clear hierarchy shown so far, no indication that one is superior to another. So we should assume that all gods exist as equals.

2.we’ll focus on the creation of the world, which operates on a universal scale. That’s what the second point will be about — proving that creation functions at that vast, cosmic level.

3. The term "GENESIS" here is used for narrative context no intention to harm/use/link directly to fictional gods.

4. The Term "OMNIPOTENCE" Used here refers to the RW MANIP/INFO MANIP T2 that Shibai already has on his profile. "OMNIPOTENT"&"OMNISCIENT" are Narrative Context too.

All the Ōtsutsuki share a common goal — to achieve perfection, to become what can truly be called a “god.” In the past, the Ōtsutsuki were seen and worshipped as gods in general. However, they aren’t true gods by nature — they’re alien beings. To become genuine gods, they must attain perfection by repeatedly consuming the divine chakra fruit and endlessly continuing the karmic cycle, again and again, until they reach a state where they can no longer evolve further — and at that point, they ascend into divinity.

So, all Ōtsutsuki are ultimately striving toward the same goal. This already establishes a kind of relativity among them. As described by Isshiki, and mentioned by both Momoshiki and Shikamaru, a god is perfect, unique, peerless, and flawless. Thus, every god shares these same divine qualities.

In chapters 79 of Boruto, Momoshiki explicitly describes the attributes of a god :Omnipotent,omniscience and Master the omnipotence. These traits themselves imply an equality among the gods, since they all possess the same fundamental nature.

Furthermore, in chapter 79, Momoshiki tells Boruto that he doesn’t know how many times an Ōtsutsuki who has become a god has manipulated human memory. This means that all divine Ōtsutsuki — all those who have reached godhood — have this same ability to alter human perception. Once again, that shows a kind of relativity. Momoshiki never makes distinctions between them. He doesn’t say “one god did this” or “only one god can do that.” The only specific divine act he refers to is the creation of the world where he use a Singular term cause he is talking about the Universe of Naruto/boruto but ig even if we assume the translation of "gods" and "worlds" it wouldn't change anything.

And that creation isn’t necessarily unique to a single god. If one god is capable of performing such a feat, then another god — being of the same nature — should also be capable of it. This is because they all share the same divine relativity. Every Ōtsutsuki seeks to reach the same ultimate state of existence, and no hierarchy among the gods has been shown so far. We can’t say that one god can perform an act that another cannot.

Now, in context, we know that Shibai Ōtsutsuki is the only confirmed god-like being introduced so far. But since Momoshiki never explicitly names him when speaking about “the god” who created the world, we can’t definitively conclude he was referring to Shibai. We can argue that it likely was him, but strictly speaking, all we can assert is that a god-like Shibai — an Ōtsutsuki of the same divine level — accomplished it.

In the Road of Boruto guidebook, it’s stated that “an Ōtsutsuki became a god,” referring to Eida’s Omnipotence who comes from shibai. This could indeed imply Shibai, but we don’t need to go that far for our reasoning. What matters is that this act was performed by a god of the same power and nature as Shibai.

Therefore, the creation of the world — or more accurately, the creation of the universe, as we’ll later demonstrate via the panels — can be achieved by Shibai Ōtsutsuki just as it could by any other divine Ōtsutsuki introduced in the future of Boruto: Two Blue Vortex.

Since all divine beings share the same attributes and characteristics, they exist in a state of relativity. Their ultimate goal is to become one and the same perfect being — to reach the same state of existence as that flawless god.


In chapter 79, according to the VSBW translation, the panel supposedly says, “The gods used omnipotence to create worlds.” But that’s actually incorrect. The accurate translation from Japanese states that “God created the world, and every constituent of that world was formed through omnipotence.”

So, it’s talking about one god and one world, not multiple gods and multiple worlds. And even if we were to assume the plural form — several gods and several worlds — it still wouldn’t change the scale of the act, which remains universal in nature. Let’s break this down.

The key term used to describe this act of creation is “Genesis.” This is a biblical term deliberately chosen by Kishimoto and Ikemoto, and it carries profound meaning. “Genesis” refers to the creation of the universe itself — the beginning of everything, the formation of heaven and earth, an absolute and flawless act of creation that marks the origin of all existence.

So, this already tells us that the text isn’t describing the creation of just a planet. The reference to the “beginning of the universe” — to “the creation of heaven and earth” — clearly points to the entire cosmological structure of the Naruto/Boruto universe.

Momoshiki explicitly states that through omnipotence, God created every constituent of this universe — every single thing that exists — all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality. In other words, the very essence of existence itself was shaped by omnipotence.
Because of the use of the term Genesis, it’s clear that the scope of this creation is not just Planetary.

We can reinforce this interpretation by examining Eida’s case. Eida possesses omnipotence, but she cannot fully control it, precisely because she isn’t an Ōtsutsuki or a divine being capable of perfect mastery over such a power. Even with limited control, she granted a relatively minor wish: fulfilling Kawaki’s subconscious desire to swap lives with Boruto so that he could become Naruto’s son.

Despite how small that wish seems, its consequences were massive. Eida’s uncontrolled omnipotence affected a beyond planetary scale going into outer spaces — and even extended to other dimensions, such as Code’s Dimension with juubi. That’s an interdimensional-scale effect from a flawed or partial use of omnipotence

Now, to suggest that a divine Ōtsutsuki god — one who is truly omnipotent and omniscient, and who wields omnipotence with absolute perfection — would be capable of less than Eida (or even only as much as Eida) would be just illogical.

The divine Ōtsutsuki gods fully master omnipotence.Their creative capacity operates at its maximum potential. Therefore, when the "GOD" is said to have created “the world” and “every constituent of it,” it must logically refer to the creation of the entire universe — the full space-time continuum of the Naruto/Boruto cosmology.

So, in conclusion:
All these linguistic, narrative, and thematic clues converge on one point — the Ōtsutsuki gods created the universe itself, along with every layer and law that defines its reality. Whether it was Shibai or another divine Ōtsutsuki is secondary, because Shibai mastered the Omnipotence anyways and They all possess the same omnipotence, the same attributes, and the same divine nature. Therefore, the feat of creating the universe applies collectively to the Ōtsutsuki gods as a whole, not to one individual alone like said before.


SHIBAI


SCALING FINALITY: UNIVERSAL + IN AP/RANGE(DURA,STRIKING... ARE NOT INCLUDED ONLY AP/RANGE) WITH REALITY WARPING/INFORMATION MANIP TYPE 2 FOR ALL OHTSUTSUKI GODS(Shibai Post Ascension and others if they are Introduced). (My second Thread so i'm sorry if there are Mistakes)
THANKS TO @Ghost and @TONYJC(He gave mostly all the panels)

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Bro beat me to my CRT😞. I share similar thoughts so I'm inclined to agree but I'm not seeing the scans, waiting for someone to confirm if it's just me
 
As discussed in private, I am generally fine with this and I think it is pretty odd to argue planets out of nowhere to be the interpretation for the world creation of a technique that's explicitly stated to work like programming language/building blocks for reality itself and since we outright see the scale of Omnipotence it's not a hard conclusion to come to be proposing this
 
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If the Otsutsuki predate the universe as you suggest in your writing, how exactly did the ones that ascended gather chakra fruit to eat with no planets and no living beings to gather chakra from to create the countless fruits needed?
 
If the Otsutsuki predate the universe as you suggest in your writing, how exactly did the ones that ascended gather chakra fruit to eat with no planets and no living beings to gather chakra from to create the countless fruits needed?
cause "countless" is a term used to design a Big Number, in this contexte it's not relevant cause ohtsutsuki can travel beetween dimensions so anothers universes so refutating via a thing where no contexte is here isn't really revelant here cause Ohtsutsuki are Spatial Creatures that travel anywhere
 
If the Otsutsuki predate the universe as you suggest in your writing, how exactly did the ones that ascended gather chakra fruit to eat with no planets and no living beings to gather chakra from to create the countless fruits needed?
Not really saying I agree with the OP (reading the fonts is giving me a headache lmao) but, the Otsutsuki Gods could have created the universe and just originated from another universe. Momoshiki says Omnipotence is the programming language used to "create world's" which already implies the existence of multiple universes to begin with. So the order of events could just go:

Some universe exists where Otsutsuki originate from -> an Otsutsuki becomes a god -> the god creates more universes including the one where the main story takes place in -> Shibai becomes a god there

So the idea of Otsutsuki gods predating some universes doesn't at all imply that they have to predate them ALL.
 
netural for now but did the translation helper confirm that translations used are correct ?
 
The part about omnipotence needs to be replaced with reality warping, for a start.
it's just the name of the ability, i need to change it for the conclusion right? i changed it in the conclusion and in the start of my thread i explained the terms used.
 
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The first thing I wanted to point out is that the VSBW’s interpretation of “the creation of the world,” or rather “the worlds,” is actually a mistranslation. It’s an unreliable rendering that doesn’t align at all with the original Japanese text, which conveys a completely different meaning. I want to make that clear before we go any further. In any case, I’ll provide the panels, the evidence, and everything necessary to demonstrate that it’s indeed a poor translation — and that, in reality, the text refers to a single god, a single world, and the concept of Genesis. But we’ll get into that later.

1.we’ll demonstrate the relativity of the gods. Each god, when they ascend to godhood — the divine realm — stands on equal footing with the others. The Ōtsutsuki, once they become gods, all share the same level of divinity. They possess relative equality in terms of their techniques and characteristics, meaning they are all capable of the same feats. In fact, all the Ōtsutsuki strive to reach this perfect divine state. There’s no clear hierarchy shown so far, no indication that one is superior to another. So we should assume that all gods exist as equals.

2.we’ll focus on the creation of the world, which operates on a universal scale. That’s what the second point will be about — proving that creation functions at that vast, cosmic level.

3. The term "GENESIS" here is used for narrative context no intention to harm/use/link directly to fictional gods.

4. The Term "OMNIPOTENCE" Used here refers to the RW MANIP/INFO MANIP T2 that Shibai already has on his profile. "OMNIPOTENT"&"OMNISCIENT" are Narrative Context too.

All the Ōtsutsuki share a common goal — to achieve perfection, to become what can truly be called a “god.” In the past, the Ōtsutsuki were seen and worshipped as gods in general. However, they aren’t true gods by nature — they’re alien beings. To become genuine gods, they must attain perfection by repeatedly consuming the divine chakra fruit and endlessly continuing the karmic cycle, again and again, until they reach a state where they can no longer evolve further — and at that point, they ascend into divinity.

So, all Ōtsutsuki are ultimately striving toward the same goal. This already establishes a kind of relativity among them. As described by Isshiki, and mentioned by both Momoshiki and Shikamaru, a god is perfect, unique, peerless, and flawless. Thus, every god shares these same divine qualities.

In chapters 79 of Boruto, Momoshiki explicitly describes the attributes of a god :Omnipotent,omniscience and Master the omnipotence. These traits themselves imply an equality among the gods, since they all possess the same fundamental nature.

Furthermore, in chapter 79, Momoshiki tells Boruto that he doesn’t know how many times an Ōtsutsuki who has become a god has manipulated human memory. This means that all divine Ōtsutsuki — all those who have reached godhood — have this same ability to alter human perception. Once again, that shows a kind of relativity. Momoshiki never makes distinctions between them. He doesn’t say “one god did this” or “only one god can do that.” The only specific divine act he refers to is the creation of the world where he use a Singular term cause he is talking about the Universe of Naruto/boruto but ig even if we assume the translation of "gods" and "worlds" it wouldn't change anything.

And that creation isn’t necessarily unique to a single god. If one god is capable of performing such a feat, then another god — being of the same nature — should also be capable of it. This is because they all share the same divine relativity. Every Ōtsutsuki seeks to reach the same ultimate state of existence, and no hierarchy among the gods has been shown so far. We can’t say that one god can perform an act that another cannot.

Now, in context, we know that Shibai Ōtsutsuki is the only confirmed god-like being introduced so far. But since Momoshiki never explicitly names him when speaking about “the god” who created the world, we can’t definitively conclude he was referring to Shibai. We can argue that it likely was him, but strictly speaking, all we can assert is that a god-like Shibai — an Ōtsutsuki of the same divine level — accomplished it.

In the Road of Boruto guidebook, it’s stated that “an Ōtsutsuki became a god,” referring to Eida’s Omnipotence who comes from shibai. This could indeed imply Shibai, but we don’t need to go that far for our reasoning. What matters is that this act was performed by a god of the same power and nature as Shibai.

Therefore, the creation of the world — or more accurately, the creation of the universe, as we’ll later demonstrate via the panels — can be achieved by Shibai Ōtsutsuki just as it could by any other divine Ōtsutsuki introduced in the future of Boruto: Two Blue Vortex.

Since all divine beings share the same attributes and characteristics, they exist in a state of relativity. Their ultimate goal is to become one and the same perfect being — to reach the same state of existence as that flawless god.


In chapter 79, according to the VSBW translation, the panel supposedly says, “The gods used omnipotence to create worlds.” But that’s actually incorrect. The accurate translation from Japanese states that “God created the world, and every constituent of that world was formed through omnipotence.”

So, it’s talking about one god and one world, not multiple gods and multiple worlds. And even if we were to assume the plural form — several gods and several worlds — it still wouldn’t change the scale of the act, which remains universal in nature. Let’s break this down.

The key term used to describe this act of creation is “Genesis.” This is a biblical term deliberately chosen by Kishimoto and Ikemoto, and it carries profound meaning. “Genesis” refers to the creation of the universe itself — the beginning of everything, the formation of heaven and earth, an absolute and flawless act of creation that marks the origin of all existence.

So, this already tells us that the text isn’t describing the creation of just a planet. The reference to the “beginning of the universe” — to “the creation of heaven and earth” — clearly points to the entire cosmological structure of the Naruto/Boruto universe.

Momoshiki explicitly states that through omnipotence, God created every constituent of this universe — every single thing that exists — all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality. In other words, the very essence of existence itself was shaped by omnipotence.
Because of the use of the term Genesis, it’s clear that the scope of this creation is not just Planetary.

We can reinforce this interpretation by examining Eida’s case. Eida possesses omnipotence, but she cannot fully control it, precisely because she isn’t an Ōtsutsuki or a divine being capable of perfect mastery over such a power. Even with limited control, she granted a relatively minor wish: fulfilling Kawaki’s subconscious desire to swap lives with Boruto so that he could become Naruto’s son.

Despite how small that wish seems, its consequences were massive. Eida’s uncontrolled omnipotence affected a beyond planetary scale going into outer spaces — and even extended to other dimensions, such as Code’s Dimension with juubi. That’s an interdimensional-scale effect from a flawed or partial use of omnipotence

Now, to suggest that a divine Ōtsutsuki god — one who is truly omnipotent and omniscient, and who wields omnipotence with absolute perfection — would be capable of less than Eida (or even only as much as Eida) would be just illogical.

The divine Ōtsutsuki gods fully master omnipotence.Their creative capacity operates at its maximum potential. Therefore, when the "GOD" is said to have created “the world” and “every constituent of it,” it must logically refer to the creation of the entire universe — the full space-time continuum of the Naruto/Boruto cosmology.

So, in conclusion:
All these linguistic, narrative, and thematic clues converge on one point — the Ōtsutsuki gods created the universe itself, along with every layer and law that defines its reality. Whether it was Shibai or another divine Ōtsutsuki is secondary, because Shibai mastered the Omnipotence anyways and They all possess the same omnipotence, the same attributes, and the same divine nature. Therefore, the feat of creating the universe applies collectively to the Ōtsutsuki gods as a whole, not to one individual alone like said before.


SHIBAI


SCALING FINALITY: UNIVERSAL + IN AP/RANGE WITH REALITY WARPING/INFORMATION MANIP TYPE 2. (My second Thread so i'm sorry if there are Mistakes)
THANKS TO @Ghost and @TONYJC(He gave mostly all the panels)

AGREE:

karo_senpaii

Ghostimuscrime

Sasukesama0492

DavidTPPM

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NEUTRAL:

Pluto321


This is only for his God key right? As there's no way to verify someone without godhood can replicate such
 
I agree, we already have statements of momoshiki creating his “seed bed” world, Omnipotence is in reference to something much bigger, especially since we’ve already seen its scale is far larger than a planet.
 
The first thing I wanted to point out is that the VSBW’s interpretation of “the creation of the world,” or rather “the worlds,” is actually a mistranslation. It’s an unreliable rendering that doesn’t align at all with the original Japanese text, which conveys a completely different meaning. I want to make that clear before we go any further. In any case, I’ll provide the panels, the evidence, and everything necessary to demonstrate that it’s indeed a poor translation — and that, in reality, the text refers to a single god, a single world, and the concept of Genesis. But we’ll get into that later.

1.we’ll demonstrate the relativity of the gods. Each god, when they ascend to godhood — the divine realm — stands on equal footing with the others. The Ōtsutsuki, once they become gods, all share the same level of divinity. They possess relative equality in terms of their techniques and characteristics, meaning they are all capable of the same feats. In fact, all the Ōtsutsuki strive to reach this perfect divine state. There’s no clear hierarchy shown so far, no indication that one is superior to another. So we should assume that all gods exist as equals.

2.we’ll focus on the creation of the world, which operates on a universal scale. That’s what the second point will be about — proving that creation functions at that vast, cosmic level.

3. The term "GENESIS" here is used for narrative context no intention to harm/use/link directly to fictional gods.

4. The Term "OMNIPOTENCE" Used here refers to the RW MANIP/INFO MANIP T2 that Shibai already has on his profile. "OMNIPOTENT"&"OMNISCIENT" are Narrative Context too.

All the Ōtsutsuki share a common goal — to achieve perfection, to become what can truly be called a “god.” In the past, the Ōtsutsuki were seen and worshipped as gods in general. However, they aren’t true gods by nature — they’re alien beings. To become genuine gods, they must attain perfection by repeatedly consuming the divine chakra fruit and endlessly continuing the karmic cycle, again and again, until they reach a state where they can no longer evolve further — and at that point, they ascend into divinity.

So, all Ōtsutsuki are ultimately striving toward the same goal. This already establishes a kind of relativity among them. As described by Isshiki, and mentioned by both Momoshiki and Shikamaru, a god is perfect, unique, peerless, and flawless. Thus, every god shares these same divine qualities.

In chapters 79 of Boruto, Momoshiki explicitly describes the attributes of a god :Omnipotent,omniscience and Master the omnipotence. These traits themselves imply an equality among the gods, since they all possess the same fundamental nature.

Furthermore, in chapter 79, Momoshiki tells Boruto that he doesn’t know how many times an Ōtsutsuki who has become a god has manipulated human memory. This means that all divine Ōtsutsuki — all those who have reached godhood — have this same ability to alter human perception. Once again, that shows a kind of relativity. Momoshiki never makes distinctions between them. He doesn’t say “one god did this” or “only one god can do that.” The only specific divine act he refers to is the creation of the world where he use a Singular term cause he is talking about the Universe of Naruto/boruto but ig even if we assume the translation of "gods" and "worlds" it wouldn't change anything.

And that creation isn’t necessarily unique to a single god. If one god is capable of performing such a feat, then another god — being of the same nature — should also be capable of it. This is because they all share the same divine relativity. Every Ōtsutsuki seeks to reach the same ultimate state of existence, and no hierarchy among the gods has been shown so far. We can’t say that one god can perform an act that another cannot.

Now, in context, we know that Shibai Ōtsutsuki is the only confirmed god-like being introduced so far. But since Momoshiki never explicitly names him when speaking about “the god” who created the world, we can’t definitively conclude he was referring to Shibai. We can argue that it likely was him, but strictly speaking, all we can assert is that a god-like Shibai — an Ōtsutsuki of the same divine level — accomplished it.

In the Road of Boruto guidebook, it’s stated that “an Ōtsutsuki became a god,” referring to Eida’s Omnipotence who comes from shibai. This could indeed imply Shibai, but we don’t need to go that far for our reasoning. What matters is that this act was performed by a god of the same power and nature as Shibai.

Therefore, the creation of the world — or more accurately, the creation of the universe, as we’ll later demonstrate via the panels — can be achieved by Shibai Ōtsutsuki just as it could by any other divine Ōtsutsuki introduced in the future of Boruto: Two Blue Vortex.

Since all divine beings share the same attributes and characteristics, they exist in a state of relativity. Their ultimate goal is to become one and the same perfect being — to reach the same state of existence as that flawless god.


In chapter 79, according to the VSBW translation, the panel supposedly says, “The gods used omnipotence to create worlds.” But that’s actually incorrect. The accurate translation from Japanese states that “God created the world, and every constituent of that world was formed through omnipotence.”

So, it’s talking about one god and one world, not multiple gods and multiple worlds. And even if we were to assume the plural form — several gods and several worlds — it still wouldn’t change the scale of the act, which remains universal in nature. Let’s break this down.

The key term used to describe this act of creation is “Genesis.” This is a biblical term deliberately chosen by Kishimoto and Ikemoto, and it carries profound meaning. “Genesis” refers to the creation of the universe itself — the beginning of everything, the formation of heaven and earth, an absolute and flawless act of creation that marks the origin of all existence.

So, this already tells us that the text isn’t describing the creation of just a planet. The reference to the “beginning of the universe” — to “the creation of heaven and earth” — clearly points to the entire cosmological structure of the Naruto/Boruto universe.

Momoshiki explicitly states that through omnipotence, God created every constituent of this universe — every single thing that exists — all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality. In other words, the very essence of existence itself was shaped by omnipotence.
Because of the use of the term Genesis, it’s clear that the scope of this creation is not just Planetary.

We can reinforce this interpretation by examining Eida’s case. Eida possesses omnipotence, but she cannot fully control it, precisely because she isn’t an Ōtsutsuki or a divine being capable of perfect mastery over such a power. Even with limited control, she granted a relatively minor wish: fulfilling Kawaki’s subconscious desire to swap lives with Boruto so that he could become Naruto’s son.

Despite how small that wish seems, its consequences were massive. Eida’s uncontrolled omnipotence affected a beyond planetary scale going into outer spaces — and even extended to other dimensions, such as Code’s Dimension with juubi. That’s an interdimensional-scale effect from a flawed or partial use of omnipotence

Now, to suggest that a divine Ōtsutsuki god — one who is truly omnipotent and omniscient, and who wields omnipotence with absolute perfection — would be capable of less than Eida (or even only as much as Eida) would be just illogical.

The divine Ōtsutsuki gods fully master omnipotence.Their creative capacity operates at its maximum potential. Therefore, when the "GOD" is said to have created “the world” and “every constituent of it,” it must logically refer to the creation of the entire universe — the full space-time continuum of the Naruto/Boruto cosmology.

So, in conclusion:
All these linguistic, narrative, and thematic clues converge on one point — the Ōtsutsuki gods created the universe itself, along with every layer and law that defines its reality. Whether it was Shibai or another divine Ōtsutsuki is secondary, because Shibai mastered the Omnipotence anyways and They all possess the same omnipotence, the same attributes, and the same divine nature. Therefore, the feat of creating the universe applies collectively to the Ōtsutsuki gods as a whole, not to one individual alone like said before.


SHIBAI


SCALING FINALITY: UNIVERSAL + IN AP/RANGE WITH REALITY WARPING/INFORMATION MANIP TYPE 2 FOR ALL OHTSUTSUKI GODS(Shibai Post Ascension and others if they are Introduced). (My second Thread so i'm sorry if there are Mistakes)
THANKS TO @Ghost and @TONYJC(He gave mostly all the panels)

AGREE:

karo_senpaii

Ghostimuscrime

Sasukesama0492

DavidTPPM

sageof8paths

K'rimuru

Elyartaker

DISAGREE:


NEUTRAL:

Pluto321


😩😩 You totally beat me to it! But I wanted to add that Shibai doesn’t just possess Omnipotence in the form of reality-warping, he is Omnipotence itself by nature. That means the potency of his Omnipotence permeates every aspect of his being, extending across all stats. To use Omnipotence in its Absolute form you have to be both Omnipotence and Omniscience.
 
I was going to express doubt given the history, but I am behind on Boruto/Blue Vortex stuff and thus I am on the more open-minded end of being surprised. But based on the interview text describing "Genesis," I tend to look at that as seeing the Low 2-C creation thing being legit.
 
I was going to express doubt given the history, but I am behind on Boruto/Blue Vortex stuff and thus I am on the more open-minded end of being surprised. But based on the interview text describing "Genesis," I tend to look at that as seeing the Low 2-C creation thing being legit.
Thank you for your understanding! and Can i know what was your doubt ? i am just curious if you don't mind telling
 
Not really saying I agree with the OP (reading the fonts is giving me a headache lmao) but, the Otsutsuki Gods could have created the universe and just originated from another universe. Momoshiki says Omnipotence is the programming language used to "create world's" which already implies the existence of multiple universes to begin with. So the order of events could just go:

Some universe exists where Otsutsuki originate from -> an Otsutsuki becomes a god -> the god creates more universes including the one where the main story takes place in -> Shibai becomes a god there

So the idea of Otsutsuki gods predating some universes doesn't at all imply that they have to predate them ALL.
this is mostly just theorycrafting based on very little if anything at all…
 
this is mostly just theorycrafting based on very little if anything at all…
Yes? cause we don't know like said by David if we don't have the context of a Situation why would it debunk anything ? even your Question is a Hypotesis , for Example Kaguya eated a Divine chakra fruit but WHY the planet is not already DEAD? we just simply don't know for the moment so you can't say "KAGUYA DIDN'T EAT THE CHAKRA FRUIT" cause the Planet wasn't destroyed, the ONLY FACT that we know is that Kaguya eated it.
And the ONLY fact here that we KNOW it's the fact that the "GODS" created the "WORLDS"(=Universes) so wait 2 years later when the Ohtsutsuki Arc comes for your "Possible" debunk even if it's a additional information that not gonna do anything.
 
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It doesn’t make sense for “God” to be a single being when people can become “gods” by absorbing planets, and there are multiple of them. If he’s supposed to be unequaled, then you can’t claim that all gods are the same. You cannot scale one being above another being, who is said to be unmatched.


Man, I read everything and I still don’t understand how you concluded that he created the universe. From what I can see, to become a god you need to absorb countless planets, but you’re saying that an Ōtsutsuki who became a god created the universe — which would mean there was nothing before him, so he couldn’t have absorbed planets. How did he become a god then?


As for “Genesis”, that doesn’t really help. It only shows that he created something from nothing. And since one needs to absorb planets to ascend to a divine level, and the “universe” isn’t even mentioned (only the “world”), it’s more likely that he only created a planet — specifically, Earth.


In my opinion, that’s insufficient for a Low 2-C level, and since we don’t have a defined timeframe, it can’t be 5-B either. I’d say this is an unquantifiable feat until more information is available.

Not really saying I agree with the OP (reading the fonts is giving me a headache lmao) but, the Otsutsuki Gods could have created the universe and just originated from another universe. Momoshiki says Omnipotence is the programming language used to "create world's" which already implies the existence of multiple universes to begin with. So the order of events could just go:

Some universe exists where Otsutsuki originate from -> an Otsutsuki becomes a god -> the god creates more universes including the one where the main story takes place in -> Shibai becomes a god there

So the idea of Otsutsuki gods predating some universes doesn't at all imply that they have to predate them ALL.
To support such a claim, we would at least need evidence of the existence of other universes, and confirmation that “world” means “universe” here rather than “planet.”
Since they absorb the life force of planets to reach that level, it’s much more plausible that “world” refers to a “planet,” not a space-time continuum of universal scale.

I disagree
 
it’s more likely that he only created a planet — specifically, Earth.
Really? Momoshiki saying "creating the world" gives me the impression he is talking about a shared construct. Momoshiki doesn't share Earth with Boruto. He does share the universe tho. For Momoshiki, Earth is just a random ass planet, no more significant than the countless ones he destroyed. You really think he'd refer to Earth as "the world" as if it is his world as well? Idk maybe the translations differ.

To support such a claim, we would at least need evidence of the existence of other universes, and confirmation that “world” means “universe” here rather than “planet.”
Kaguya's dimensions, Momoshikis dimension, Kara dimension, and before you say they are pocket dimensions, Momoshiki's was stated to be a parallel dimension compared to the main one.

Since they absorb the life force of planets to reach that level, it’s much more plausible that “world” refers to a “planet,” not a space-time continuum of universal scale.
Hmm. The otsutsuki devour countless planets, undergo evolution for years and achieve the ultimate power of creating one planet. Yeah makes sense. Even the derivative ninjutsus can create moons. Omnipotence being hyped up to create a planet makes no sense.
As for “Genesis”, that doesn’t really help. It only shows that he created something from nothing
OPs point is that Genesis with the capital G is a biblical term used to imply the creation of the universe.
 
To support such a claim, we would at least need evidence of the existence of other universes,
We wouldn't. If YOU are making an argument based on the lack of other universes then YOU need to provide evidence of that being the case.
An absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence 🗣️
and confirmation that “world” means “universe” here rather than “planet.”
The OP covers that pretty decently. We don't have a direct verbatim confirmation but we have enough contextual evidence to conclude so.
Since they absorb the life force of planets to reach that level, it’s much more plausible that “world” refers to a “planet,” not a space-time continuum of universal scale.
No it isn't. Nothing implies the creation of the worlds has anything to do with them absorbing them. Both because that's never even implied to be the case and because it goes directly against what the actual purpose of them absorbing the God trees achieves.

And the context of the statement makes no sense to refer to a planet either. The statement is Momoshiki describing something that's meant to be this godly feat performed to hype up "the ultimate power to make anything real" . Same Momoshiki who has created planets himself and is at least comparable to Kaguya who made at least 5 planets herself, at least one of which Momoshiki literally visited.

So to say it's merely referring to a planet would make absolutely no sense as he'd just be describing something he and others he considers inferior are fully capable of.
 
We wouldn't. If YOU are making an argument based on the lack of other universes then YOU need to provide evidence of that being the case.
An absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence 🗣️

The OP covers that pretty decently. We don't have a direct verbatim confirmation but we have enough contextual evidence to conclude so.

No it isn't. Nothing implies the creation of the worlds has anything to do with them absorbing them. Both because that's never even implied to be the case and because it goes directly against what the actual purpose of them absorbing the God trees achieves.

And the context of the statement makes no sense to refer to a planet either. The statement is Momoshiki describing something that's meant to be this godly feat performed to hype up "the ultimate power to make anything real" . Same Momoshiki who has created planets himself and is at least comparable to Kaguya who made at least 5 planets herself, at least one of which Momoshiki literally visited.

So to say it's merely referring to a planet would make absolutely no sense as he'd just be describing something he and others he considers inferior are fully capable of.
Get Ninja'd goon
 
It doesn’t make sense for “God” to be a single being when people can become “gods” by absorbing planets, and there are multiple of them. If he’s supposed to be unequaled, then you can’t claim that all gods are the same. You cannot scale one being above another being, who is said to be unmatched.


Man, I read everything and I still don’t understand how you concluded that he created the universe. From what I can see, to become a god you need to absorb countless planets, but you’re saying that an Ōtsutsuki who became a god created the universe — which would mean there was nothing before him, so he couldn’t have absorbed planets. How did he become a god then?


As for “Genesis”, that doesn’t really help. It only shows that he created something from nothing. And since one needs to absorb planets to ascend to a divine level, and the “universe” isn’t even mentioned (only the “world”), it’s more likely that he only created a planet — specifically, Earth.


In my opinion, that’s insufficient for a Low 2-C level, and since we don’t have a defined timeframe, it can’t be 5-B either. I’d say this is an unquantifiable feat until more information is available.


To support such a claim, we would at least need evidence of the existence of other universes, and confirmation that “world” means “universe” here rather than “planet.”
Since they absorb the life force of planets to reach that level, it’s much more plausible that “world” refers to a “planet,” not a space-time continuum of universal scale.

I disagree
1. In a Theist Position the fact that there are many beings with the Title of "GOD" it is illogical and absurd but in the Fiction and pws this situation debunks the "TIER 0" not a L2C scale and the Term "OMNIPOTENT"/"OMNIPOTENCE" means ALL-POWERFUL/ALL-DOING/ALL-CAPACITY so in fiction it can be interpreted in Any ways possible and in Boruto it's RW MANIP/INFO MANIP T2. "GOD" is a term hyperbolic in Fiction that authors use to Reepresent their deitys, tell me in what Moment Ikemoto introduced "GOD" as 1? and Ikemoto is not illogical here cause one More Time the term "GOD" can be used at any meanings cause in Fiction "GOD" is The Absolute so you can use it like you want and "unmatched" is used in Boruto to say that "GODS" are nothing equal to humans,ohtsutsuki,shinihami and ect... not Beetween them. So saying that it's illogical for you it's okay but here we don't care about what you it's illogical or not FOR YOU.

2. "Genesis" doesn't only mean "creation from nothing" stop lying and look to the proofs and use the cells that operate your nervous system that transmit messages to your muscle and glandular cells(Neurons btw) and look to the proofs or go research for information cause "Genesis" means the Beginning of The World/The creation of Heaven and Earth, And why it's more suitable that it's a planet cause they eat planets? wdym? Kaguya who just Eated 1 planet can create Solar system strcutures ? Momoshiki created a Dimension with 1 planet and Eida who has a Omnipotence of Temu can affect an a Interdimensional Range with her wish and the "Absolute Beings" of The Manga Boruto are stated to be Perfect in Any way possible (Power,existance..) are supposed to have lower feats with their More Powerful Power introduced for nom (Omnipotence)? if you wanna be relevant here back-up your counter-arguments and don't message here if it's for "they eat planets then it's more reliable that they create 1 SINGLE PLANET" even your logic isn't reliable how they a countless number of plnaets that gave them significatly more power or ALL the Chakra of a planetary structure and they do that repeatedly and only create "1 single Planet"??

3.You're repeting your argument. AND WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF OTHERS DIMENSIONS WITH THE DIMENSION OF JUUBI(Where code was when Ishhiki Died),5 Dimensions of Kaguya,1 of Momoshiki... thanks to that we know that ohtsutsukis are spatial beings that travel arounds spaces and others dimensions and 1 more Time it's a "Non-context Situation" so do the effort to read and have a Good comprehension.

4. THANK YOU FOR READING!
 
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