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Dragon Ball Heroes & XV: Power of Time

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Alright, it is me again, though let's just get into the main contents of the thread.

Anyway, we know that XV and Heroes are in the same multiverse so stuff in both game can be used for each others, but XV didn't namedrop Time Power, instead only implying it via the similarity between abilities in both XV Time Power and Heroes Time Power; until now



The explanation is already in the album, but in short, XV finally stated Supreme Kai of Time's power, which Frieza successfully obtained, is Power of Time, in the skill description. so this pretty much solidifies the fact that Time Power is a multiversal power in this XV and Heroes Multiverse. XV2 Frieza will also have Time Power if he ever have a profile in the future


Oke, Time Power already have CM1, so what the point of this part, anyway, having CM, which is the ability to manipulate concepts, doesn't mean it is concept itself, so this section is to prove Time Power nature is conceptual. Anyway, let's go to the arguments

First we need to see this terminology page, as we can see from it Time Energy/Power is Time, and metaphysical aspects like Causality, Fate, Luck/Probability, Law & Logic are pretty much parts of Time. So, conclusion: Time Power/Energy is Metaphysical Power/Energy and Time is a big Metaphysical Aspect that holds other aspects in it. Okay, this part is done

Second, Time Power is proven to be a fundamental power that holds dominion over all of existence. We know that Time Power is also Time in the terminology page, thus mean Time is a big fundamental aspect that holds dominion over all of existence

Third, is all of this just word salad?, no. Time Power and Time do have feats to support the notion of Time Power being conceptual. which is listed directly on the Time Power page, this blog also listed some notable feats of Time Power (ignore the blog's title; it is a remnant of the past lol). TLDR:
  • Time Power/Time give birth to timeline, space-time; shape history, responsible for dimensions and governs over existence
  • Distort Time Power/Time will in turn distort timeline, space-time, history, dimensions, existence
  • Erase/Destroy Time Power/Time will erase/destroy timeline, space-time, history, dimensions, existence
  • Restore Time Power/Time will restore timeline, space-time, history, dimensions, existence
  • And of course if you do anything to the timeline, space-time, history, dimensions, or existence. It doesn't affect Time Power/Time at all

So, Time Power/Time is a fundamental metaphysical power/aspect that is pretty much a universal abstract that actually impacts the physical world. Frieza literally stated this power can bend things to their will. It also shows it defines and gives shape/form to things, and all these things just participate in Time Power/Time which can be summed up nicely like this:
  • Time Power/Time (Abstract) -> timeline, space-time, history, dimensions, existence (Physical)
There is other lesser metaphysical aspects that also are parts of Time, and Time also responsible for a lot more, not just some physical existences, but i think the above explanation is enough


Anyway, wrap up: Time Power/Time is concept type 1

Anyway, this is explained in this album

TLDR: Time Power's energy which contains its haxes is unblockable and bypass immunity

4. Paralysis Inducement



Pretty much self-evident, Time Power's Energy/Ki have paralyzing effect


5. Void Manipulation

Anyway, we have the following voids or nonexistent dimensions:

the non-existent history; the World of Void, a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space; the <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space
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1. Time Power responsible for all dimensions and history; thus, it is also create all these voids
2. Time Power hold dominion over all things and bends all thing as well; thus, it can bend these voids as well
3. Time Power can restore void of nothing back to everything, which is Conversion to Existence
4. Time Power can erase things, and the act of erasing things is turning them into nothing. this overlaps with EE, Conversion to Nonexistence but powers overlaps with each others is normal
5. Can turn everything that exists back to state of zero


6. More stuff for Time Manipulation & Causality Manipulation

Causality Manipulation:
  1. Superior to Shenron who can retcon the past
  2. Stated to be able to bend history
Time Manipulation:
  1. More scans for time rewind, which Frieza also used to nullify all the results of Trunks' training.
  2. Time Loop, which can loop everything back to the beginning. Use to reset the fight


Anyway, this is everything



Agree: DarkDragonMedeus Oblivion_Of_The_Endless Imaginym

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The information doesn’t look as if it is a fundamental aspect of reality but just for the
Ziku World made up of information & data, is there anything showing someone affecting fundamental information outside of that digital space-time?
 
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Agree with this thread but I have a question.

You said a void realm is either 0D or L1A per this statement. But from your scan, it feels like the said "non-existent realm" which is devoid of space and time apparently have space and time existing within it as we can see through Tournament of Power so what you have to say about that? Is it even allowed on the wiki?

Heck, the scan you used for Subspace said clearly:
This means the "Room of Spirit and Time" and "Sugoroku Space" are inside a dimension called 【Subspace】which is devoid of the concepts of time and space
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So it doesn't make sense to me personally speaking?
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Agree with this thread but I have a question.

You said a void realm is either 0D or L1A per this statement. But from your scan, it feels like the said "non-existent realm" which is devoid of space and time apparently have space and time existing within it as we can see through Tournament of Power so what you have to say about that? Is it even allowed on the wiki?

Heck, the scan you used for Subspace said clearly:

So it doesn't make sense to me personally speaking?
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You can have a pocket void dimension within a normal dimension; fiction does have this stuff. The matter isn't what surrounds the dimension, but the nature of the dimension itself—what its composition is. You can have a space-time contain a void, doesn't suddenly change the nature of said void
 
Vietthai96 said:
You can have a pocket void dimension within a normal dimension; fiction does have this stuff. The matter isn't what surrounds the dimension, but the nature of the dimension itself—what its composition is. You can have a space-time contain a void, doesn't suddenly change the nature of said void
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Then what you meant in that Ben 10 thread?
 
Vietthai96 said:
what i mean is that void either 0D or Low 1-A, you can't assign dimensionality texts to them, like 6D or 234324D
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But then it begs the question how it contain pocket dimensions in the first place when it can't have a dimension by itself? Are you implying DB voids are L1A since 0D is not possible?
 
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But then it begs the question how it contain pocket dimensions in the first place when it can't have a dimension by itself? Are you implying DB voids are L1A since 0D is not possible?
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because its nature is devoid of dimensionality, you can contain a lot of thing in it, but it doesn't change the nature of the dimension in it; a void contain a rock doesn't mean the void is suddenly rock
 
Vietthai96 said:
because its nature is devoid of dimensionality, you can contain a lot of thing in it, but it doesn't change the nature of the dimension in it; a void contain a rock doesn't mean the void is suddenly rock
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Wait a moment. Are you implying RoSaT and Sugoroku Space are of similar nature then?
 
Vietthai96 said:
what i mean is that void either 0D or Low 1-A, you can't assign dimensionality texts to them, like 6D or 234324D
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Tbh this is wrong as 0D still implies that they are dimensioned beings, as they exist as a point (a 1D line is made of 0D points after all, same with how a 2D thing is made of 1D lines, and so on, and points do exist as part of space unlike BDE entities), but that space is clearly not smaller than a 1D object of course.

BDE 1 has simply no dimensionality, but also no set size as while that stuff is just impossible irl, fiction does not treat these things as anything special.

But regardless, just wanted to clear the idea that BDE 1 and 0D are the same, as they're just not.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Tbh this is wrong as 0D still implies that they are dimensioned beings, as they exist as a point (a 1D line is made of 0D points after all, same with how a 2D thing is made of 1D lines, and so on, and points do exist as part of space unlike BDE entities), but that space is clearly not smaller than a 1D object of course.

BDE 1 has simply no dimensionality, but also no set size as while that stuff is just impossible irl, fiction does not treat these things as anything special.

But regardless, just wanted to clear the idea that BDE 1 and 0D are the same, as they're just not.
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yeah, sorry, kind of like to use 0D out of habit, but it is undimensional; 0D is a point that does not have extension in any directions but still take up space

But i always somehow fallen into old habit of writing 0D instead of undimensional
 
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