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Fixing the Strongest Verse in the World (Part 0 of 4(?)) | Defining the Canon of Baki the Grappler (Staff Votes 2-0-0; GRACE)

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Hello everyone! I'm going through the arduous and uncharted journey of fixing Baki the Grappler! But before we get to the good stuff, we've got to establish some ground rules, i.e. Canon.

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Grappler Baki Canon

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This blog will be used as reference for what is and isn't considered canon in the series, which will help for future revisions.

Agree: @Robo432343, @LegendariumOfLies, @RigelBR7, @Armorchompy (Agrees with all, tentative lower canon for Anime and Yuenchi), @Bimbitesthedust, @SlendVeny, @NikHelton, @NotoriouSoda, @Jigoshi, @DarkDragonMedeus (Same opinion as Armor)

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Mostly seems fine. My first point of concern is the bit about the Netflix anime. While I don't doubt that the original story is being closely adhered to, the "we're sticking to the manga" part is implying just that, not canonicity. Most modern anime (read: those that don't have original filler or go their own way like 2003 FMA) follow the source story basically 1-to-1. If I were to write a Baki fanfiction in a way that fit the existing canon perfectly I would be "sticking to the manga" but that wouldn't make it canon. Direct author involvement is usually the metric we use and that doesn't seem to be implied here.

As for the side stuff I'm not sure about Itagaki actually writing all of these - I think him being listed as an author could just be to credit him for the original work. For example, he is listed as one for Yueenchi, but (using Google Translate) this is what the summary says: "The novel version of "Baki" by master of fighting novels, Baku Yumemakura.", which seems to be crediting Yumemakura as the primary or sole writer. A lot of others (this seems to be a website difference) just straight-up only list him as the original creator, which is basically just like George Lucas getting credited in a modern Star Wars production even though he's had nothing to do with it. As far as I'm concerned any manga that's actually made by Itagaki is fully canon, but the rest should probably be treated a bit more carefully - still probably canon (except the Retsu Gaiden) but to be taken with a pinch of salt if anything crazy happens.
 
Armorchompy said:
Mostly seems fine. My first point of concern is the bit about the Netflix anime. While I don't doubt that the original story is being closely adhered to, the "we're sticking to the manga" part is implying just that, not canonicity. Most modern anime (read: those that don't have original filler or go their own way like 2003 FMA) follow the source story basically 1-to-1. If I were to write a Baki fanfiction in a way that fit the existing canon perfectly I would be "sticking to the manga" but that wouldn't make it canon. Direct author involvement is usually the metric we use and that doesn't seem to be implied here.
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That all seems fair, yeah. Though, there is some stuff with Revenge Tokyo, seeing as that came out as the anime was airing the Death Row Prison Saga; it would make no sense for him to make 20 years after originally making it, unless he was promoting or collaborating in some form with the Netflix series. Unfortunately, though, there isn't any other information on it beyond that, so we can only speculate. I'd be fine dropping it down to Tertiary Canon if you think it belongs there.
Armorchompy said:
As for the side stuff I'm not sure about Itagaki actually writing all of these - I think him being listed as an author could just be to credit him for the original work. For example, he is listed as one for Yueenchi, but (using Google Translate) this is what the summary says: "The novel version of "Baki" by master of fighting novels, Baku Yumemakura.", which seems to be crediting Yumemakura as the primary or sole writer. A lot of others (this seems to be a website difference) just straight-up only list him as the original creator, which is basically just like George Lucas getting credited in a modern Star Wars production even though he's had nothing to do with it. As far as I'm concerned any manga that's actually made by Itagaki is fully canon, but the rest should probably be treated a bit more carefully - still probably canon (except the Retsu Gaiden) but to be taken with a pinch of salt if anything crazy happens.
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As far as his involvement with the Gaidens, it gets sort of weird. For things like Yuenchi, based on what it says about the manga adaption of it, it seems like he produced drafts/concepts for the series before Yumemakura fleshed it fully out. So while he may have written it, Itagaki seemed to have some level of involvement in the production of it.

Though, like with the anime, I'm not gonna die on that hill and I'd be fine taking the Gaiden's with some caution moving forward.

I take it you agree on the rest?
 
Da3ggman said:
That all seems fair, yeah. Though, there is some stuff with Revenge Tokyo, seeing as that came out as the anime was airing the Death Row Prison Saga; it would make no sense for him to make 20 years after originally making it, unless he was promoting or collaborating in some form with the Netflix series. Unfortunately, though, there isn't any other information on it beyond that, so we can only speculate. I'd be fine dropping it down to Tertiary Canon if you think it belongs there.
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That's a good point, at the very least he directly endorsed it.
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As far as his involvement with the Gaidens, it gets sort of weird. For things like Yuenchi, based on what it says about the manga adaption of it, it seems like he produced drafts/concepts for the series before Yumemakura fleshed it fully out. So while he may have written it, Itagaki seemed to have some level of involvement in the production of it.
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Original concept being by Itagaki is good support for sure. For both this and the anime I'm not really sure exactly how our canon system would classify them and I find it kind of arbitrary on some level, but I see them as kind of like a tertiary+. As a baseline it's canon but if John Yuenchi tosses the Czech Republic into low orbit that's probably an outlier
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Though, like with the anime, I'm not gonna die on that hill and I'd be fine taking the Gaiden's with some caution moving forward.

I take it you agree on the rest?
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Yeah
 
Armorchompy said:
That's a good point, at the very least he directly endorsed it.

Original concept being by Itagaki is good support for sure. For both this and the anime I'm not really sure exactly how our canon system would classify them and I find it kind of arbitrary on some level, but I see them as kind of like a tertiary+. As a baseline it's canon but if John Yuenchi tosses the Czech Republic into low orbit that's probably an outlier
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I can agree with all that. Should I mark you as agreeing with their canonicity, with the note of them being sort of “lower” canons than the rest, but not Teritiary?
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Da3ggman said:
I can agree with all that. Should I mark you as agreeing with their canonicity, with the note of them being sort of “lower” canons than the rest, but not Teritiary?

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sure i suppose?
 
Looks great.
Also, another reason why Isekai can't scale with Baki is that Isekai's feats are far beyond what we saw in Baki Grappler. We have High 7-C, 6-C calculations, and a 6-B statement.
 
please staff check this out
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