DBZ Kai/Toei: Goku's Resistance to BFR

[SwordLegendz01]

Honestly, I have some quibbles in previous threads about Goku's resistance to BFR. Okay, this might be a repeat of previous threads. According to the ability, it's mentioned that Goku resists being teleported by Porunga, but most people say that's because Goku is stronger than Porunga, so I'll address some points here that it's not a limitation of Porunga like Shenron's.

• First point:

When Bulma asks Porunga to bring Goku back to Earth, Porunga claims that Goku refused to return. Is it true that Porunga can't do it because he's weaker than Goku? It seems irrelevant, because if he couldn't, he would have said like Shenron

“That is an impossible request. I was made by a God. I cannot grant a wish that surpasses the power of God.”

Instead, he wouldn't have said that Goku refused because he would return on his own.

“I cannot. He refuses to come back, he says he will return on his own.”

We even see Porunga as if he is trying to fulfill the wish, marked by his glowing eyes, implying that he can

• Second point:

Porunga needed to ask Goku to teleport him because Goku wanted to train. This case is similar to Vegeta's, where Vegeta wanted to attack Frieza, which Porunga should have also asked Vegeta about because of his determination to fight at that time. We know that Porunga forcibly transported everyone on Planet Namek without asking whether they wanted to or not. If we ignore this too then it is concluded that Vegeta was weaker than Guru/Porunga at that time.

• Third Point:

Dende makes a wish to Porunga to teleport everyone on Namek to Earth. Goku explicitly requests that the request not be teleported to either of them (himself and Frieza), suggesting he's worried it might affect him, who would then forcibly bring Goku and Frieza to Earth. Someone suggested that Porunga respects Goku's wishes. However, to make a wish to Porunga, he would need to use the Namekian language, making that argument irrelevant since we don't know if Dende said something about Goku not wanting to be sent to Earth or if he simply excluded Goku and Frieza, as it's shown that Dende needed to be the translator for their wishes.

At least some of these points support Goku gaining "Resistance to BFR." While Goku hasn't resisted BFR from other characters, no other character has ever been shown forcibly teleporting Goku using the same power concept as Porunga. They're essentially using something like a portal and are contact-based, so through this thread I propose adding to Goku's profile:

Resistance to BFR (Managed to resist being forcibly teleported by Porunga, even though he was initially concerned that the wish to teleport everyone on Namek would affect him. Porunga still managed to teleport Vegeta and Piccolo, even with Vegeta’s intense determination to attack Frieza at the time)

Note: I'm not sure about adding this to the manga profile, because Vegeta's supporting scenes are only in DBZ Kai/DBZ Toei and DBZ Manga doesn't have them so I'm hesitant to add it even though we have some supporters like in the first point.

Agree: @VinnyXD @Greatsage13th @RedReaper616 @UnoRebaixadO @DesuGoten @ProudLearner @Killerdrone123 @LuffyRuffy46307 @AyOgUyS @TheNothing84 @DarkDragonMedeus @Vietthai96 @Dereck03

 

[Pluto321]

netural but I really correctly that because porunga was weaker than Goku at that, I don't Super Shenron would have any problem bfr goku to some place. So it can be Resistance to Bfr for shenron and porunga only.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

netural but I really correctly that because porunga was weaker than Goku at that, I don't Super Shenron would have any problem bfr goku to some place. So it can be Resistance to Bfr for shenron and porunga only.

Again, I've added a scan of Vegeta, he had a strong urge to attack Frieza but Porunga teleported him without asking if he needed to be teleported or not, especially since we're supposed to scale Vegeta above Porunga, right? Especially since Vegeta was just resurrected, which he also said he got stronger after being resurrected.

 

[VinnyXD]

Honestly I always thought Vegeta proved this was wrong. He clearly wanted Frieza and still got teleported away

 

[Greatsage13th]

makes sense

 

[SwordLegendz01]

makes sense

Thanks

 

[RedReaper616]

Honestly, I have some quibbles in previous threads about Goku's resistance to BFR. Okay, this might be a repeat of previous threads. According to the ability, it's mentioned that Goku resists being teleported by Porunga—

Agree. I honestly forgot that was accepted and thought it was just a remnant of the old profiles, hence why it’s not on GTku’s. Goku should not have resistance to BFR for this.

That said, you can totally put Non-Conventional Resistance to BFR from Android Saga onward thanks to Instant Transmission granting him Interdimensional Range for teleporting and allowing him to travel across the Living World, meaning that he can just Teleport back.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I agree 100%. I had never thought of that, good job sword.

 

[DesuGoten]

I agree

 

[ProudLearner]

I agree FRA

 

[Killerdrone123]

Agree fra

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Everything looks fine to me.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Agree. I honestly forgot that was accepted and thought it was just a remnant of the old profiles, hence why it’s not on GTku’s. Goku should not have resistance to BFR for this.

I agree 100%. I had never thought of that, good job sword.

I agree

I agree FRA

Agree fra

Everything looks fine to me.

Thank you!

 

[AyOgUyS]

Agree

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Agree

Counted, thanks!

 

[AyOgUyS]

Counted, thanks!

ur welcome! :3

 

[SwordLegendz01]

bump

 

[TheNothing84]

Easily fine for me.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm unsure atm.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

I'm unsure atm.

Why? This isn't the same argument as before. I'm using Vegeta, who is exclusive to the anime where he wanted Frieza but was still teleported by Porunga without asking him anything, this contradicts Porunga's limitations that people have always brought up before, especially are we to consider Vegeta weaker than Porunga? even after he was revived.

 

[RedReaper616]

Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever seen a moment where Staff has disagreed with or been unsure of a downgrade created by and supported by Supporters before. Not saying it’s a bad thing—Just a neat little first time experience.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Nvm I kind of had too much stuff on my feed and was skimming through a lot of things. After I understood what was proposed, I agree with the removal.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Nvm I kind of had too much stuff on my feed and was skimming through a lot of things. After I understood what was proposed, I agree with the removal.

Thank you!

 

[Vietthai96]

Why Thought-Based?, resistance is resistance, you can't think to resisting stuff

The resistance is fine however

 

[TheNothing84]

Why Thought-Based?, resistance is resistance, you can't think to resisting stuff

The resistance is fine however

I think he want imply that he resists Thought-Based BFR , not that he resists in a Thought-Based way.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Why Thought-Based?, resistance is resistance, you can't think to resisting stuff

As @TheNothing84 said, I did it to specify the type of BFR Goku resists

The resistance is fine however

Thank you

 

[Vietthai96]

Thought-Based is just method of activation, not really something you need to put in resistance, because if you resist X power, the method of activation, either thought-based or passive, you are going to resist it nonetheless

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Thought-Based is just method of activation, not really something you need to put in resistance, because if you resist X power, the method of activation, either thought-based or passive, you are going to resist it nonetheless

Okay, I understand. I'll delete it

 

[Spinoirr]

To add onto this Bardock also resisted BFR in the Super Manga

 

[SwordLegendz01]

To add onto this Bardock also resisted BFR in the Super Manga

That's different, Toronbo is shown asking Bardock for permission to teleport him to Planet Vegeta via telepathy, comparing the case to this thread there are slightly different details. But let's focus on the thread first, because we have Vegeta being forcibly teleported here even though he really wanted Frieza at the time.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Bump

 

[Dereck03]

Thread seems fine.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Thread seems fine.

Finally... Thanks!