Can self created characters be on VS Battle wiki

[Rogue_Forge]

If someone, for example me, were to make a fictional character in a comic and publish said comic, that is now a real fictional character, not a joke character or a fan character (FC) but it is an original character (OC)

So if that character were to get a profile would the character have a VS Battle wiki profile or an FC/OC Battle wiki profile

 

[SweetDao]

No, since it means the author knows of powerscaling and of the wiki.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

FC/OC Battle wiki profile

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[Rogue_Forge]

No, since it means the author knows of powerscaling and of the wiki.

So if any author knows of powerscaling they're work immediately is unusable? that sounds pretty dumb unless the author is explicitly using powerscaling rules to make their characters super OP

 

[SweetDao]

So if any author knows of powerscaling they're work immediately is unusable?

Yes.

that sounds pretty dumb unless the author is explicitly using powerscaling rules to make their characters super OP

Because you can't prove shit like that. What if he does "somehow" a 1-A structure, do you have a proof he did so because he knows about VSB (and for pws intent) or not? No one can know, so we just don't take it into account. Although, you could try FC/OC, perhaps.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Yes.

Because you can't prove shit like that. What if he does "somehow" a 1-A structure, do you have a proof he did so because he knows about VSB (and for pws intent) or not? No one can know, so we just don't take it into account. Although, you could try FC/OC, perhaps.

Ok but what about a verse that's not trying to be strong, where the author just focuses on story

Imagine if a writer knew about power scaling, but nothing in the story is ever even relevant to power scaling and characters are all just building busters with no outlier feats or statements, that verse would have no differences between it and other verses on vs battle wiki and the author is only trying to write a good story

And power scaling can actually help writers, when I know that one of my characters is like, building level, I wont give them super high feats, and if I do, I know I have to explain why or else the scaling doesn't make any sense

That literally causes the stories to be more cohesive and better as a result cause you wont just think "oh he destroyed a city before, why couldn't he do that now" because power scalers actually take the time to consider that stuff

And like, we have stories on vs battle wiki where the authors explicitly just want their characters to be OP, a lot of those people probably know about power scaling

 

[SweetDao]

Imagine if a writer knew about power scaling, but nothing in the story is ever even relevant to power scaling and characters are all just building busters with no outlier feats or statements, that verse would have no differences between it and other verses on vs battle wiki and the author is only trying to write a good story

"Imagine". Look, we can do as many what if as you want, if someone knows powerscaling ESPECIALLY of the forum/wiki itself, they can't be added. You could probably try FC/OC, since they are "mostly okay" with low tiering verse iirc.

And power scaling can actually help writers, when I know that one of my characters is like, building level, I wont give them super high feats, and if I do, I know I have to explain why or else the scaling doesn't make any sense

That literally causes the stories to be more cohesive and better as a result cause you wont just think "oh he destroyed a city before, why couldn't he do that now" because power scalers actually take the time to consider that stuff

This doesn't change anything. Any author, to their degree, "does powerscaling". The simple fact of "X character than X" is, factually, powerscaling. The fact that he knows about the stuff makes it iffy by default. Obviously, there may be some exceptions, like idk, if a scenarist of a large movie production for a really well known series (idk, Fast and Furious let's say) was seen to know about PWS, but ultimately he isn't the only one on the project, you could try to argue it's fine.

I think there is also the issue of "when" he interacted with PWS or the wiki. If the last time he was ever into that thing is, idk, 20 years ago, that's fine. At leats I would allow it, I think, if it was yesterday, yeah no. Maybe he's genuine and didn't create his story "based on VSB/PWS" but the fact you can't prove it is a big problem.

And like, we have stories on vs battle wiki where the authors explicitly just want their characters to be OP, a lot of those people probably know about power scaling

If you take Instant Death as an example, I'll come to your home.

Besides some chinese slop, most stuff has an explanation, I'd say. That they are satisfactory or not is another matter. If you take Alovenus and Ruphas, the whole point was showing a fight between two "omnipotent" children. If you take Isekai at Peace, Epilogue is just a massive joke since there are practically no fight in the verse (and also an excuse for MC to be protected ngl). Anos, Rimuru etc, all of them, while pretty strong, doesn't have any links to powerscaling. Of course, maybe both authors know about it and are actively participating in japanese pws, idk, perhaps, but since we can't prove it either, we'll just assume they are doing their things alone.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

If you take Instant Death as an example, I'll come to your home.

I mean... I was gonna...

But then I thought "hmm, I don't know the story very well so maybe there's more to it than just "overpowered MC""

 

[SweetDao]

I mean... I was gonna...

But then I thought "hmm, I don't know the story very well so maybe there's more to it than just "overpowered MC""

By all mean, it's a mediocre isekai, but it's like all the slop you see around really. If ID is "meant for the guy to be OP" then some random ass shit like "I was exiled from the hero party and now I'm doing an Harem of OP Girls" stuff would also be. Heck, most manwha/manhua and isekai are power fantasy with OP characters.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Alright, but what if I make a comic... and I just don't let anyone know Its made by me and you cant tell

And then I get profiles for it, and then blindsight people a year later with multiple out of pocket High 1-A statements and feats

Could you even hypothetically stop someone from doing that? because it would be pretty hard to even track down the one who made the comic

Anyways, I think I got my answer for my original question, I don't like a lot of the changes that were made to the site that would relate to this kind of stuff but this is something I feel neutral on, I don't really care if my characters aren't on here cause there's still FC/OC Battle wiki

 

[SweetDao]

Alright, but what if I make a comic... and I just don't let anyone know Its made by me and you cant tell

And then I get profiles for it, and then blindsight people a year later with multiple out of pocket High 1-A statements and feats

Could you even hypothetically stop someone from doing that? because it would be pretty hard to even track down the one who made the comic

We can't do anything against that. Maybe someone will find something about you and pws, maybe not. Maybe some stuff that are currently indexed are made by PWS in disguise, maybe not. Typically, if you were a genuine author and wanted to purely write a story, you would admit it's your own story and refuse it to be indexed, typically due to this.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I think, theoretically, someone else could add your characters to the wiki, if your work got popular enough and wasn't clearly made for powerscaling. But you, as the author and user of VSBW, would have to be entirely hands-off.

A fan of your work, probably only one who found your work organically and doesn't know you personally, could then add your verse to the wiki. But I don't think you'd ever be allowed to add your own series to the main wiki

Wasn't there a moderator here that made a published comic? And they couldn't add it to the wiki? Seems to be some precedent

 

[Galactidot]

I think, theoretically, someone else could add your characters to the wiki, if your work got popular enough and wasn't clearly made for powerscaling. But you, as the author and user of VSBW, would have to be entirely hands-off.

A fan of your work, probably only one who found your work organically and doesn't know you personally, could then add your verse to the wiki. But I don't think you'd ever be allowed to add your own series to the main wiki

Wasn't there a moderator here that made a published comic? And they couldn't add it to the wiki? Seems to be some precedent

Bruh Stan Lee literally knew about powerscaling, as do many of the current writers for Marvel and DC.

The Sonic IDW team pretty explicitly knows about it as well, along with Tailstube and the official Sonic Twitter. This is an extreme example, as they even likely know about the wiki.

Are we just gonna deny all of them because of this? Remove them from the wiki? This is a very dumb rule when we've been violating it since conception.

It should be simple as the creator can't add it, as long as it's noteworthy. If I wanted to, I could literally go on a spree of hunting down verses who's creators know about powerscaling and chop away so many indie productions.

Just make it so a fan has to add it, so long as battleboarding isn't intentional.

 

[Galactidot]

By this logic we just nuke IDW Sonic and anything written by Ian Flynn out of existence

 

[Agnaa]

If someone, for example me, were to make a fictional character in a comic and publish said comic, that is now a real fictional character, not a joke character or a fan character (FC) but it is an original character (OC)

So if that character were to get a profile would the character have a VS Battle wiki profile or an FC/OC Battle wiki profile

Yes.

Because you can't prove shit like that. What if he does "somehow" a 1-A structure, do you have a proof he did so because he knows about VSB (and for pws intent) or not? No one can know, so we just don't take it into account. Although, you could try FC/OC, perhaps.

SweetDao is wrong here.

From our Editing Rules you can find:

It is prohibited to include any personal verses or personal works of VS Debaters within the wiki, except in cases where the work has been officially published by a reputable and well-established company with a significant level of distribution and recognition in the industry. This includes, but is not limited to, large movie productions, major video game releases, and popular comic book runs. For smaller or less-known companies, decisions may be made on a case-by-case basis. It is recommended to consider the level of distribution and recognition in determining whether to include the work in the wiki.

In previous cases where we discussed this, i.e.

Wasn't there a moderator here that made a published comic? And they couldn't add it to the wiki? Seems to be some precedent

Potents by @The_real_cal_howard, and an amateur film that was sold at local film stores partially created by an old user, the rough idea we went with is:

1. It needs to have notability outside of battleboarding circles (Suggsverse fails this).
2. It can't be introduced to the site by its creator (or by someone who heard about it directly from its creator, etc.) It needs to have made its way here through organic spread.

And more recently, we've decided to, on a case by case basis, remove verses if we've deemed them to have too much directly-sourced vsbw brainrot.

So, just knowing about battleboarding doesn't exclude your verse works from being on the site, but it is a place where we would tread with caution. And verses from that niche don't enter the site as easily as verses from other niches.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Potents by @The_real_cal_howard, and an amateur film that was sold at local film stores partially created by an old user

Oh wow that's pretty neat

 

[SweetDao]

SweetDao is wrong here.

Learning new stuff every day...thanks for the correction.