Aizen is NOT that guy 😭✌🏽

[Ghostimuscrime]

Intro :
Hello folks, we are doing a quick minor inverse scaling rework today, a thing that bothered me in Aizen's profile is that Base Aizen is getting his 5C possibly 4A from Yamamoto which I believe is incorrect

Yamamoto :
Aizen does indeed pierce him but that's as admitted in the profiles, something Yamamoto let Aizen do, he taunts that Aizen could not possibly pierce him and when he does get pierced he reveals that it was just a set up to catch aizen and sacrifice all others along with him (ch393 iirc), implying Yamamoto most likely had lowered his durability to allow Aizen to pierce his body this is because he is taunting and playing into Aizen's ego to make him feel good about shutting up the old man and actually piercing his body which will raise his confidence and lower his guard resulting in greater advantage when his set up gets revealed, potentially giving him the instant W in the fight, paired with the fact that aizen admits inferiority and says BECAUSE he cant win against the dude he made an arrancar specifically to fight Yamamoto, yamamoto being consistently glazed to be the strongest in the guidebooks, Aizen in the novels admitting he doesn't wanna tackle Yamamoto until he gains immortality, it would stand to reason lore wise he should not be near the guy, We also know bleach characters are perfectly capable of lowering their level to allow lesser beings to be able to engage with them so this interp is logically consistent with everything.

Conclusion :
There are two ways to replace Aizen's value [Aizen downscales from Yamamoto in both ends]
33 exatons upscaling from Senjumaru as her power when nerfed is less than that of one court guard squad, since Aizen is above multiple of these, he scales. (this is accepted in the profiles)
2) 113.35 Exatons upscaling from Unohana, Unohana was able to block some of Zaraki's hits post awakening, this was zaraki without eyepatch so it's above his Gremmy fight self, this one would be an upgrade for Aizen, since usually he's scaled to a lesser version of the Zaraki meteor calc due to Royd being 80% of Yhwach's power so instead of 80% of the meteor calc, he will get 100% scaling. (currently not accepted in the profiles) Crossing out this proposal cuz I'm too lazy, someone else can implement this at a later date

Sandbox w/ updated proposal

Updated changes this thread makes :

• Aizen no longer scales to Yamamoto due to him stabbing Yamamoto being deemed no longer concrete enough for scaling
• Aizen downscales from Yamamoto due to having survived a significant fraction of his sacrificial hado at the epicenter
• Wonderweiss also downscales from Yamamoto, he fails to withstand any attack and every instance has his limbs ripped off like a bug but at least manages to make yamamotos face bloody
• aizen hops to his next accepted end which is above senjumaru for reasons underlined
• the new additions are bolded

Agree : @Damage3245 @Nierre, @Godernet
Disagree :
Neutral :

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Intro :
Hello folks, we are doing a quick minor inverse scaling rework today, a thing that bothered me in Aizen's profile is that Base Aizen is getting his 5C from Yamamoto who gets it from TYBW Post Unohana Training Zaraki which I believe is incorrect

Zaraki :
It's stated that Aizen can't deal with Yamamoto he thinks he is inferior to not just Yamamoto but also Zaraki, Aizen's base key oddly links to this scan from SAFWY which basically says Aizen's not really able to fw Zaraki and Yamamoto so scaling him to 80% of a much stronger zaraki makes no sense. The amp zaraki gets after training with unohana should be far beyond anything he had prior, the problematic chain goes like this



Yamamoto :
Aizen does indeed pierce him but that's as admitted in the profiles, something Yamamoto let Aizen do, he taunts that Aizen could not possibly pierce him and when he does get pierced he reveals that it was just a set up to catch aizen and sacrifice all others along with him (ch393 iirc), paired with the fact that aizen admits inferiority and says BECAUSE he cant win against the dude he made an arrancar specifically to fight Yamamoto and as yamamoto is consistently glazed to be the strongest, it works well with this interpretation

Conclusion :
So he should not get scaling towards either Zaraki or Yamamoto, for his replacement scaling we can simply scale him to Maximal Yammy since it was stated aizen is above that specific version which gives him 443.5 Petatons, obviously if anyone has any better ideas for his replacement scaling feel free to share with class, as a consequence of this, Unohana would loose her Bankai scaling as well since her 5C possibly 4A comes from him. That's all!

Yamamoto does not get his 5C from TYBW Post Unohana Training Zaraki. Here's the list: Fullbring Shikai Ichigo->Quilge->Quilge's Multipliers->Fullbring Bankai Ichigo->Yhwach->Royd->Yamamoto

He also currently upscales from Nerfed Squad Zero, who are currently 33+ Exatons, so that's where he'd go.

EDIT: Fullbring Bankai Ichigo is unaffected because we currently accept Fullpower FB Ichigo as relative to Fatigued Enraged FB Ichigo, though I suppose if this CRT passes we may need to separate them into keys. Bankai Ginjo would only be affected if we split the ratings for Ichigo. Ayon, Aura, Gremmy and Kenpachi (Edit 2: They wouldn't ignore that please) would also be affected if this CRT passes.

 

[Deceived3596]

Yeah, I think I disagree with this. But I'll check it out in more depth later on before I say anything. I'm busy right now, and I don't have enough time to read through everything and comment my thoughts about it as of this moment.

 

[Mommyleona]

Aizen also says a bunch of things like that his power was unequaled in SS and Gin says that Aizen's strength has no equal, so idk

 

[Kidkinsey]

Yeah its pretty clear aizen is below yama and Kenny. As for where to place him idk all the bleach calcs that are used on here but I know he would MASSIVELY UPSCALE from that yammy calc

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yamamoto does not get his 5C from TYBW Post Unohana Training Zaraki. Here's the list: Fullbring Shikai Ichigo->Quilge->Quilge's Multipliers->Yhwach->Royd->Yamamoto

ic, thanks for clarifying

He also currently upscales from Nerfed Squad Zero, who are currently 33+ Exatons, so that's where he'd go.

EDIT: Fullbring Bankai Ichigo is unaffected because we currently accept Fullpower FB Ichigo as relative to Fatigued Enraged FB Ichigo, though I suppose if this CRT passes we may need to separate them into keys. Bankai Ginjo would only be affected if we split the ratings for Ichigo. Ayon, Aura, Gremmy and Kenpachi would also be affected if this CRT passes.

isnt the scaling nerfed S0 < Full Gotei and aizen is only accepted in being above majority of the gotei and not all of them since that's stated on profiles

Yeah, I think I disagree with this. But I'll check it out in more depth later on before I say anything. I'm busy right now, and I don't have enough time to read through everything and comment my thoughts about it as of this moment.

sure no rush

 

[DragoZeroNova]

ic, thanks for clarifying

isnt the scaling nerfed S0 < Full Gotei and aizen is only accepted in being above majority of the gotei and not all of them since that's stated on profiles


sure no rush

No. Nerfed Squad Zero<One Full Power Squad (Presumably one of the strongest ones based on scaling, though idk man maybe some captains should be stronger) Aizen also scales above them on his profile.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Fullbring Shikai Ichigo->Quilge->Quilge's Multipliers->Yhwach->Royd->Yamamoto

Okay one issue with this and I think this came as a consequence of my last thread (in my defense I repeatedly clarified upscaling is only a 5x and 10x is used only for downscaling but he's upscaled 10x)
Quilge goes from 4.435 exa to 44 exa (volstandig to volstandig + blut) which should be a 5x not a 10x, so Quilge should be 22.175 exa (h6a+) with his blut instead
and 66.525 exa with Vol+Blut+Slaverei instead of the 133 exa on the profiles
the 487 exa on quilges profile comes out of nowhere too and Yhwach's profile makes 0 mention of Quilge so making it harder to track down


So assuming it is invalid, they naturally fall back to the 5C scale via zaraki as mentioned in my OP

No. Nerfed Squad Zero<One Full Power Squad (Presumably one of the strongest ones based on scaling, though idk man maybe some captains should be stronger) Aizen also scales above them on his profile.

is that not what i exactly said? anyways the profile says this

nerfed Squad 0 members didn't even use the power of an entire Gotei squad, meanwhile Aizen was capable of mopping the floor with the majority of the Gotei 13's fighting force, making him superior to a Gotei 13 Squad, and thus superior to the nerfed power of a regular Squad 0 member

see this part seems a bit off to me, if a whole gotei squad is above nerfed s0 and aizen isnt above the whole gotei squad, why is he getting scaling?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Okay one issue with this and I think this came as a consequence of my last thread (in my defense I repeatedly clarified upscaling is only a 5x and 10x is used only for downscaling but he's upscaled 10x)
Quilge goes from 4.435 exa to 44 exa (volstandig to volstandig + blut) which should be a 5x not a 10x, so Quilge should be 22.175 exa (h6a+) with his blut instead
and 66.525 exa with Vol+Blut+Slaverei instead of the 133 exa on the profiles
the 487 exa on quilges profile comes out of nowhere too and Yhwach's profile makes 0 mention of Quilge so making it harder to track down


So assuming it is invalid, they naturally fall back to the 5C scale via zaraki as mentioned in my OP

is that not what i exactly said? anyways the profile says this

see this part seems a bit off to me, if a whole gotei squad is above nerfed s0 and aizen isnt above the whole gotei squad, why is he getting scaling?

We went over this on the last thread, where Quilge's Blut was accepted as 10x. This was due to the issues where both downscaling and upscaling was valid and more people wanted the 10x over the 5x. You were there for that https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleach-god-tier-calc-update.184691/page-5. Yhwach's profile doesn't mention Quilge because Ichigo's mention's Quilge. (I forgot to put him in that chain I'll edit him in)

Because he can take out multiple captains, which makes him superior to one single squad.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yamamoto :
Aizen does indeed pierce him but that's as admitted in the profiles, something Yamamoto let Aizen do, he taunts that Aizen could not possibly pierce him and when he does get pierced he reveals that it was just a set up to catch aizen and sacrifice all others along with him

Not really a bleach supporter but I would also like to point out that this wouldn't really change the fact that Aizen did in fact damage Yamamoto in this scene, even if he didn't block the attack on purpose it still did actual damage which does follow the rules on the AP page.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

But you're right, Aizen is not that guy. Chad is, I can't imagine...Chad losing

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

We went over this on the last thread, where Quilge's Blut was accepted as 10x. This was due to the issues where both downscaling and upscaling was valid and more people wanted the 10x over the 5x. You were there for that https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleach-god-tier-calc-update.184691/page-5. Yhwach's profile doesn't mention Quilge because Ichigo's mention's Quilge. (I forgot to put him in that chain I'll edit him in)

gang I held the same opinion twice which was also an opinion shared by staff

Because he can take out multiple captains, which makes him superior to one single squad.

Fair enough, nerfed s0 regulars can be the basis of Aizen's new tier

Not really a bleach supporter but I would also like to point out that this wouldn't really change the fact that Aizen did in fact damage Yamamoto in this scene, even if he didn't block the attack on purpose it still did actual damage which does follow the rules on the AP page.

if you lower your power to allow weaker beings to deal damage they don't really get any scaling

 

[DragoZeroNova]

gang I held the same opinion twice which was also an opinion shared by staff

Fair enough, nerfed s0 regulars can be the basis of Aizen's new tier

if you lower your power to allow weaker beings to deal damage they don't really get any scaling

The problem is that the 5x-10x thing is supposed to be dependant on feats. I explained multiple times in that thread that since he's getting both 5x and 10x based solely on VSBattles wiki rules (not in verse statements), one of them had to go. This is also something I'll end up covering in a later CRT, but assuming the minimum didn't work in that case. I will be revising Blut and some Visored mask ratings ratings anyways, but that will take a long time (December hopefully) so I'll ask for this part to just be put aside for now since I need to go through dozens of characters.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Disagree with this as other people as well, Aizen effortlessly tanked a fully charged forbidden Hado from Yamamoto, which will warrant scaling.
Yamamoto, even prior to this, was willingly to blow himself up to kill Aizen. There are also other implication on CFYOW that those 2 sit on the same tier as well.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Disagree with this as other people as well, Aizen effortlessly tanked a fully charged forbidden Hado from Yamamoto, which will warrant scaling.
Yamamoto, even prior to this, was willingly to blow himself up to kill Aizen. There are also other implication on CFYOW that those 2 sit on the same tier as well.

Just saying, that can't be considered fully charged but yeah

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

if you lower your power to allow weaker beings to deal damage they don't really get any scaling

Yeah, but the problem is there's no actual way to prove that Yamamoto lowered his durability or smth.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Aizen effortlessly tanked a fully charged forbidden Hado from Yamamoto, which will warrant scaling.

"effortlessly tanked" and it's him running for dear life after mere seconds of exposure

his body got bloodied up and he's not even withstanding the full force the attack, just a small fraction of the whole volume, there's no way you saw this and thought "yeah he's face tanked this"
as well as ignored the novels saying he cant fw Yamamoto to say he can

The problem is that the 5x-10x thing is supposed to be dependant on feats. I explained multiple times in that thread that since he's getting both 5x and 10x based solely on VSBattles wiki rules (not in verse statements), one of them had to go. This is also something I'll end up covering in a later CRT, but assuming the minimum didn't work in that case. I will be revising Blut and some Visored mask ratings ratings anyways, but that will take a long time (December hopefully) so I'll ask for this part to just be put aside for now since I need to go through dozens of characters.

the chain you mentioned assuming it is how it is gives Aizen 17 exatons after correction btw

 

[Infinite9Luck]

"effortlessly tanked" and it's him running for dear life after mere seconds of exposure

his body got bloodied up and he's not even withstanding the full force the attack, just a small fraction of the whole volume, there's no way you saw this and thought "yeah he's face tanked this"
as well as ignored the novels saying he cant fw Yamamoto to say he can

Not really, the attack fully covered him and his body, so he tanked the full thing, and he just got out. Do you expect him to stay inside just because? Without any noticeable damage as well…
Which is the definition of scaling.

Otherwise he would have been even severely damaged or not even got out to begin with if he wasn't relative.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

"effortlessly tanked" and it's him running for dear life after mere seconds of exposure

his body got bloodied up and he's not even withstanding the full force the attack, just a small fraction of the whole volume, there's no way you saw this and thought "yeah he's face tanked this"
as well as ignored the novels saying he cant fw Yamamoto to say he can


the chain you mentioned assuming it is how it is gives Aizen 17 exatons after correction btw

?? how do we get 17 Exa?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah, but the problem is there's no actual way to prove that Yamamoto lowered his durability or smth.

Not how it works, since we are conservatively scaling in the wiki the burden of proof falls on those who think aizen should scale

and even from that there's more evidence pointing against Aizen than in support of him, like I said in my op, he's conceded inferiority several times, modified an arrancar just to fight him, ran away from his attacks and the hit he did make was a set up so it makes more sense to assume he did lower his durability if he set up aizen to pierce him in the first place (man I said all this in my OP why'd ya make me repeat smh)

Not really, the attack fully covered him and his body, so he tanked the full thing, and he just got out

Not how it works, the attack had a volume of a whole city block, aizen's human bodily volume makes up a tiny fraction of the whole attack, he'd have to withstand all of it to get scaling

Without any noticeable damage as well…
Otherwise he would have been even severely damaged or not even got out to begin with if he wasn't relative.

HE CAME OUT BLOODIED, it's one of the most explicit evidences of him NOT coming out unscathed, the disingenuousness is crazy bro

?? how do we get 17 Exa?

4.435*5*0.8 (ichigo's value * quilge blut 5x * 80% to account for Royd)

this is JUST based on the chain you mentioned at the start, as i said above hed be higher based on nerfed s0 stuff (unless im missing the slaverei amp i dont recall if its involved in the chain)

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Not how it works, since we are conservatively scaling in the wiki the burden of proof falls on those who think aizen should scale

and even from that there's more evidence pointing against Aizen than in support of him, like I said in my op, he's conceded inferiority several times, modified an arrancar just to fight him, ran away from his attacks and the hit he did make was a set up so it makes more sense to assume he did lower his durability if he set up aizen to pierce him in the first place (man I said all this in my OP why'd ya make me repeat smh)


Not how it works, the attack had a volume of a whole city block, aizen's human bodily volume makes up a tiny fraction of the whole attack, he'd have to withstand all of it to get scaling

HE CAME OUT BLOODIED, it's one of the most explicit evidences of him NOT coming out unscathed, the disingenuousness is crazy bro


4.435*5*0.8 (ichigo's value * quilge blut 5x * 80% to account for Royd)

this is JUST based on the chain you mentioned at the start, as i said above hed be higher based on nerfed s0 stuff (unless im missing the slaverei amp i dont recall if its involved in the chain)

The chain I mentioned (Which I'm not going to bother with since like I said, I'm doing a CRT on Blut ratings later) means Quilge's full multipliers since I didn't want to write them all out.

If you want the full list, it's Fullbring Shikai Ichigo<Vol Quilge<Vol Blut Quilge (Blut multiplier)<Ayon<Ayon+Vol+Blut (Blut Multiplier) Quilge<Fullbring Bankai Ichigo<Yhwach>Royd (75%). It wouldn't be 17, it'd be ~99 again. Which I'm not going to be dealing with until my CRT as I need to revise dozens of characters.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I disagree. To explain why:

Kubo stated in the Q&A that Aizen could defeat Unohana. SS Aizen > Unohana <~~UF No Eye Patch Zaraki > Gremmy Fight Shikai Eye Patch Zaraki > SAFWY Zaraki forms

Aizen taking precautions against Zaraki doesn't mean he's weaker than him. He can also take precautions against his own Arrancars.

Furthermore, due to Aizen's superior statement to the Arrancars, the result is Aizen > Wonderweiss and Cien. Wonderweiss is a scale to Yamamoto, while Cien is strong enough to fight SAFWY Zaraki. Cien considered himself weaker than Aizen, and he's never seen Aizen of the Hogyoku.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The chain I mentioned (Which I'm not going to bother with since like I said, I'm doing a CRT on Blut ratings later) means Quilge's full multipliers since I didn't want to write them all out.

If you want the full list, it's Fullbring Shikai Ichigo<Vol Quilge<Vol Blut Quilge (Blut multiplier)<Ayon<Ayon+Vol+Blut (Blut Multiplier) Quilge<Fullbring Bankai Ichigo<Yhwach>Royd (75%). It wouldn't be 17, it'd be ~99 again. Which I'm not going to be dealing with until my CRT as I need to revise dozens of characters.

okay then it's 4.435 * 5 * 5 * 0.75 = 83.15 exatons (still 5c)

(ima leave it at this since you wanna set it aside for future revisions)

Kubo stated in the Q&A that Aizen could defeat Unohana. SS Aizen > Unohana <~~UF No Eye Patch Zaraki > Gremmy Fight Shikai Eye Patch Zaraki > SAFWY Zaraki forms

would you mind elaborating what you mean by the UF

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

would you mind elaborating what you mean by the UF

Unoha(Mama)ana Fight

 

[Arkenis]

Would a likely not be better? There's too much not to say he doesn't scale and the arguments you've given isn't good enough.

paired with the fact that aizen admits inferiority

This is in relation to bankai and he further says probably, knowing Aizen and his set up this wouldn't be one sided.

he taunts that Aizen could not possibly pierce him and when he does get pierced he reveals that it was just a set up to catch aizen and sacrifice all others along with him (ch393 iirc),

Set up a plan to kill him but it doesn't require Yamamoto lowering his durability, just requires he be stabbed to make sure its Aizen.

BECAUSE he cant win against the dude he made an arrancar specifically to fight Yamamoto and as yamamoto is consistently glazed to be the strongest, it works well with this interpretation

Not winning ≠ not scaling

Aizen can't deal with Yamamoto he thinks he is inferior to not just Yamamoto but also Zaraki,

Same thing, him wanting to avoid them just shows they are threats, not that he doesn't scale.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Snip

You need affirmative evidence to get him there, my argument isn't that he cannot do shit and yamamotos spit EE's him to oblivion, it's to say that, the conclusion used to make the connection isnt valid because the other more likelier interpretation exists which goes along perfectly with surrounding statements, there's more reason telling us it is likely not the case then there is implying to us that it is
with 0 positivies and a few negatives the classic occams razor interp would be that he does not scale

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Anyways, I gotta head out soon, I'll update my proposals and respond to newer comments when I come home

 

[Arkenis]

You need affirmative evidence to get him there, my argument isn't that he cannot do shit and yamamotos spit EE's him to oblivion, it's to say that, the conclusion used to make the connection isnt valid because the other more likelier interpretation exists which goes along perfectly with surrounding statements, there's more reason telling us it is likely not the case then there is implying to us that it is
with 0 positivies and a few negatives the classic occams razor interp would be that he does not scale

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Anyways, I gotta head out soon, I'll update my proposals and respond to newer comments when I come home

I disagree with that fully but that's why I said likely should suffice better than not at all.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Ngl, Aizen unironically might be weaker than Uryu

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Not how it works, since we are conservatively scaling in the wiki the burden of proof falls on those who think aizen should scale

and even from that there's more evidence pointing against Aizen than in support of him, like I said in my op, he's conceded inferiority several times modified an arrancar just to fight him, ran away from his attacks and the hit he did make was a set up so it makes more sense to assume he did lower his durability if he set up aizen to pierce him in the first place (man I said all this in my OP why'd ya make me repeat smh)

Okay, but burden of proof also falls on you to actually make a convincing argument for this downgrade. I really don't like when VSB down graders say this as if they are exempt from having to do the same exact thing lol You're assuming he lowered his durability with no actual proof, as it is never verbatim stated or directly mentioned anywhere in the scans you linked that Yamamoto did that. Letting someone hit you with an attack =/= automatically lowering your durability so you are damaged by said attack, I can let someone punch me in the face and my durability doesn't automatically lower itself just because I decided not to dodge or otherwise block the punch dawg.

 

[Saqphire]

I sorta agree with the arguments but disagree with the conclusion FRA simply due to the nature of Reiatsu. If Aizen was this much weaker (1 to the power of 26 btw) in his base compared to Yamamoto, he would have never been able to do any of the feats he did against Yama even if Yama was nerfed due to how it's established that weaker Reiatsu cannot put a scratch on way stronger Reiatsu and that Aizen would've had his hax and power straight up power nulled by that much superior reiatsu. Knowing the former, the argument that "Yamamoto let him pierce him" doesn't work here because of that, if Aizen was super inferior then Yama wouldn't need that plan in the first place

Even if peak Yamamoto scaled lower over here, the argument would still stand because the CRT implies Aizen doesn't downscale from him yet the mechanics of Reiatsu alongside his feats with Yamamoto simply demands that he does + also as arguments have provided, Yamamoto didn't one-shot Aizen anyway with Hado 96 which someone who is 4-A should be able to do to a 5-C if that was the case, the conclusion becomes simply absurd

At the worst he should downscale from Yamas peak which is 4-A

 

[Damage3245]

@Saqphire Yamamoto is 5-C, possibly 4-A.

So the gap wouldn't be as wide as 1 to the power of 26.

 

[Saqphire]

@Saqphire Yamamoto is 5-C, possibly 4-A.

So they gap wouldn't be as wide as 1 to the power of 26.

I stand corrected then. Either way my point is that Aizen downscales from Yama regardless

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The updated proposal is Aizen's new tier to be 33 exatons (moon level) by being above multiple squads which are individually above the nerfed squad 0, the rest of this crt will be focusing on simply removing Yamamoto's scaling to Aizen

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Spoiler: Counters

I stand corrected then. Either way my point is that Aizen downscales from Yama regardless

he's not gonna be sent to high-6a anymore so there would not be a reason to downscale

(1 to the power of 26 btw)

This argument is kind of a nothing burger, bleach has had far far worse power gaps between characters and tiers and would not be anything new when it comes to scaling the verse and honestly this line is outright arbitrary as hell, nothing whatsoever says x or y can't be [insert] number of times weaker or stronger, even with downscaling you gotta endure like a significant portion of their attacks, unless you're arguing yamamoto's attacks were beyond the finite ranges it is not justified to ask for a downscale for someone who only endured so utterly little

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Okay, but burden of proof also falls on you to actually make a convincing argument for this downgrade. I really don't like when VSB down graders say this as if they are exempt from having to do the same exact thing lol You're assuming he lowered his durability with no actual proof, as it is never verbatim stated or directly mentioned anywhere in the scans you linked that Yamamoto did that. Letting someone hit you with an attack =/= automatically lowering your durability so you are damaged by said attack, I can let someone punch me in the face and my durability doesn't automatically lower itself just because I decided not to dodge or otherwise block the punch dawg.

The second half is wrong because you’re equating yourself with bleach characters even tho they’re capable of lowering their durability to allow lesser beings to interact with them.

I would need evidence normally but not when we have several panels showing us that it was a set up, then it becomes a reasonable interpretation as it would help further his agenda by taunting Aizen into a trap gaining him battlefield advantage, it’s a logical conclusion to draw from all things considered as well as ties in with how we scale with minimal assumptions on here, if there is room for two interps the one that upscales a character becomes the non conservative stance and the burden of proof would be on you

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I disagree with that fully but that's why I said likely should suffice better than not at all.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a possibly but hate half ratings look ugly as hell

 

[Saqphire]

he's not gonna be sent to high-6a anymore so there would not be a reason to downscale

Except I sent several reasons related to Reiatsu that pretty much only leads to Aizen at the very worst just downscaling from Yamamoto

This argument is kind of a nothing burger, bleach has had far far worse power gaps between characters and tiers and would not be anything new when it comes to scaling the verse

Those power gaps need to be fixed in that case which I will explain why

and honestly this line is outright arbitrary as hell, nothing whatsoever says x or y can't be [insert] number of times weaker or stronger, even with downscaling you gotta endure like a significant portion of their attacks, unless you're arguing yamamoto's attacks were beyond the finite ranges it is not justified to ask for a downscale for someone who only endured so utterly little

The statement from Kenpachi saying "weaker reiatsu dont affect stronger reiatsu" comes from when Ichigo was 7-B aka a bit over 11 Megatons and Kenpachi was 6-B aka almost 39 Teratons. The difference between 5-C and 4-A is obviously much larger than that yet Yamamoto still needs an elaborate plan to self-boom himself alongside Aizen, which wouldn't be necessary if the power difference was this large. If we just used your current proposal of his new AP (33 exatons) over Yamamoto's current rating (365 exatons), then I would agree with your CRT actually since said power difference is smaller here compared to SS Kenny vs SS Ichigo so your CRT would be congruent with my line of thinking (that Aizen downscales)

 

[Damage3245]

Except I sent several reasons related to Reiatsu that pretty much only leads to Aizen at the very worst just downscaling from Yamamoto

Shinji downscales from Aizen without being 5-C. Gin can harm Aizen without being 5-C.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The statement from Kenpachi saying "weaker reiatsu dont affect stronger reiatsu" comes from when Ichigo was 7-B aka a bit over 11 Megatons and Kenpachi was 6-B aka almost 39 Teratons. The difference between 5-C and 4-A is obviously much larger than that yet Yamamoto still needs an elaborate plan to self-boom himself alongside Aizen, which wouldn't be necessary if the power difference was this large. If we just used your current proposal of his new AP (33 exatons) over Yamamoto's current rating (365 exatons), then I would agree with your CRT actually since said power difference is smaller here compared to SS Kenny vs SS Ichigo so your CRT would be congruent with my line of thinking (that Aizen downscales)

Yamamoto tanks the attack and lies injured with a charred body, he wouldn’t be definitively as strong as his regular self so it makes perfect sense to detonate an arm when you’re out of juice as a last minute resort to try and **** up aizen, the situation is dire enough that he’s willing to sacrifice his own men anyway

Not like Yamamoto is staying at 365 exatons, he’d probably be changed to 80ish (see my back and forth with nova)

I’ll take it you’re fine with it since they’re not in different ballparks?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

The second half is wrong because you’re equating yourself with bleach characters even tho they’re capable of lowering their durability to allow lesser beings to interact with them.

...It's called an analogy...

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Just to be clear, my future CRT does not mean for sure that Quilge will be downgraded since there will be multiple proposals. But yes, there's a possibility he and thus Yamamoto goes back down.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

...It's called an analogy...

I understand what analogies are Alipheese, I am telling you it is simply an inapplicable analogy

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I understand what analogies are Alipheese, I am telling you it is simply an inapplicable analogy

No, it really doesn't look like you do. Anyways, you still haven't used any further evidence and found a scan that goes against my point, so I'll stay with my current stance of disagreeing. Will see how the thread progresses though.