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Base Deku's Durability Upgrade

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This is a simple CRT intended to apply this calculation to Final Act Deku's profile.


Based on the results, his durability should be upgraded from High 7-C to Low 7-B, as he was able to survive a point-blank explosion the size of Mount Fuji, and did so without having his Quirk (My Hero Academia Vol. 41 Chapter 419).

This only scales to Deku's last key.

Agree: 9 (Dalesean027, CastoriceTheFifth, MANOFGOD7, KLOL506, Vietthai96, Kingofwolves999, Anonymous_Learner, Elizhaa, 1000TonsofFun)
Disagree: 1 (TheRustyOne)
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This should also scale to his attack potency, since it's heavily implied in the series that his AP is relative to his durability.
 
I'll be honest. Why should we believe Izuku wasn't using One For All? I'd prefer just to have it as a supporting feat at best for OFA Izuku.

Let's think about this logically. In order to claim something, one needs to provide proof. The OP is claiming Base Izuku is the one who withstood this explosion, but I don't see such proof. In Chapter 417, Izuku is using One For All as he transfers most of it into Shigaraki.

At that point, they enter the vestige world, which doesn't follow the rules of reality. Yeah, Izuku doesn't look like he has OFA, but Izuku also changes ages at multiple points, and all of his injuries disappeared. I don't think relying on his physical appearance in this space means anything.

By Chapter 419, the scene is over and we return to the real world. We see AFO first, before the smoke clears and we see Izuku on the ground. Yes, he's not using OFA, but I don't see how that proves he wasn't using it when the explosion happened. After all, we don't see him until after the explosion ends and the smoke clears.

We don't see Izuku the moment the explosion happens. Before it happened, he was using One For All.

I have to disagree with this. The initial premise for this scaling to work requires proof that Izuku wasn't using One For All and was base when the explosion happen. We lack this proof, so it's better to assume he was using One For All, and it turned off after the explosion while he collapsed on the ground.

Actually, I think I have something that implies he likely did have One For All on.

There is another point where Izuku and Shigaraki are in the vestige where, and it ends with them being exploded out, which causes an explosion in the real world.

Chapter 287. In this case, AFO failed to steal OFA and they forced him out, which created an explosion. Izuku very clearly has OFA activated. I know the cause is different, but the end results appear similar, just one is more violent/powerful. Someone gets throw out of the vestige world and a explosion happens that knocked them away.

Well, that's my opinion about this. I'll leave you guys to argue if you agree with me or not. It isn't concert proof, but it's enough for me.
 
Does the explosion happen in the manga as well? If so can I see the scans?
 
Does the explosion happen in the manga as well? If so can I see the scans?
Right here.

This is Chapter 419. The explosion size is using the anime because we don't see the full blast in the manga.

Because we don't see the full blast, there is a chance it's a different size than in the anime, but we don't know.
 
Actually, doesn't that panel prove he has to reactivate OFA after a vestige clash? In the first panel after they are forced out, Deku has no OFA electricity around him, the vital visual cue that indicates when he's actually using the Quirk, and he immediately wonders whether Shigaraki managed to steal it, right before activating it again and answering himself that Shiggy couldn't steal it.

If OFA had still been active at that moment, the electricity would be visible around his body as well, and he wouldn't have any reason to question whether he still had the Quirk.

Furthermore, the idea that Deku still had OFA active right after giving it up, and then somehow deactivated it at the exact moment he desperately wanted to get up and stop All For One makes no sense. He was only able to use the remaining embers after Eri healed him slightly.

Expanding on this further, we know that Deku's body rewound itself just moments before losing his arms, and not even for an instant did OFA reactivate.

This is important because when All For One's body reverted to his teenage self, he began to glow again at around the same age and moment he stole the Glowing Baby's Quirk. By that same logic, Deku's rewind should have reverted him to a time when he had Full Cowl active, but that didn't happen. He simply didn't have OFA activated during the period in which he was inside Shigaraki's vestige world.

And yes, I know AFO's rewind doesn't affect the Quirks themselves, but it does affect his body. That's why he instantly loses the wings he stole from Hawks, and that's why he randomly starts glowing, his body was reverted to a point in time when he was using that glowing Quirk.

If OFA and the embers were the same thing, and Deku was still using them in the vestige world, then Eri's rewind should have brought his body back to a moment where he had Full Cowl active right before losing his arms. But that didn't happen. And if OFA and the embers are not the same thing, then Deku would have needed to reactivate the embers right before taking Shigaraki’s explosion, something we never see. Instead, just a few moments later, he's shown completely Quirkless and helpless on the ground.

TheRustyOne's argument relies on the idea that Deku somehow activated the embers, not even the actual Quirk he had given away just minutes earlier, right before being forced out of the vestige world, and then somehow deactivated those same embers by the time the scene cuts back to him moments later.

Without any evidence that Deku used OFA or the embers before or during his confrontation with Shigaraki in the vestige world, without rewind restoring him to a point in time where he had Full Cowl active, and with the previous vestige clash showing he wasn't using his Quirk immediately after being expelled, there is more than enough support to conclude that he was not using Full Cowl during or after the explosion of this calc.
 
And yes, I know AFO's rewind doesn't affect the Quirks themselves, but it does affect his body. That's why he instantly loses the wings he stole from Hawks, and that's why he randomly starts glowing, his body was reverted to a point in time when he was using that glowing Quirk.
You literally posted a page saying that AFO’s quirks aren’t affected by Rewind.

The wings disappeared because he deactivated the quirk.

He starts glowing because he was using the glowing baby’s quirk. If your argument that he was reverted a time when he used the quirk was true then we should’ve seen Ultimate Quirk Combo from Kamino Ward.
 
You literally posted a page saying that AFO’s quirks aren’t affected by Rewind.

The wings disappeared because he deactivated the quirk.

He starts glowing because he was using the glowing baby’s quirk
What? You can literally see the rewind effect on the little wings before they disappear. AFO's Quirks not being affected by rewind only means he isn't gaining or losing Quirks as he gets younger, he always had the glowing Quirk even a hundred years later.

His wings disappeared because rewind affects his physical body. Since his body was returned to a point in time where those wings didn't exist, they were simply rewound out of existence.

The same thing happens with the glowing Quirk. Do you really think AFO started glowing because he just randomly chose to? Why would he even do that, and how would it help him in any way? He started glowing because rewind reverted his body to a point in time when he naturally had that Quirk active, I thought that was obvious when we saw him in teenage years using the glowing Quirk.
 
IMO it’s more likely he’s not using OFA on his body when this explosion happens.

During all the Vestige World stuff, this explosion via AFO’s return is something Deku was not prepared for. He had just thrown everything into Shigaraki, including his own self/his OFA factor, which is what leaves the ember.

He was in the middle of hearing Shigaraki out, comforting him, when this explosion goes off. The likelihood that Full Cowl is still activated when he just transferred the Quirk and is pretty much calmed down from the fight is kinda low to me.
 
What? You can literally see the rewind effect on the little wings before they disappear. AFO's Quirks not being affected by rewind only means he isn't gaining or losing Quirks as he gets younger, he always had the glowing Quirk even a hundred years later.

His wings disappeared because rewind affects his physical body. Since his body was returned to a point in time where those wings didn't exist, they were simply rewound out of existence.

The same thing happens with the glowing Quirk. Do you really think AFO started glowing because he just randomly chose to? Why would he even do that, and how would it help him in any way? He started glowing because rewind reverted his body to a point in time when he naturally had that Quirk active, I thought that was obvious when we saw him in teenage years using the glowing Quirk.
So if Rewind doesn’t affect his quirks why did it get rid of the wings? Heck if this is what is going on, why aren’t the several mutation quirks he uses constantly getting shut down?

Therefir if that’s the case then answer me why we don’t see AFO get reverted to when he was using Ultimate Quirk Combination from Kamino? Why didn’t we see AFO get reverted to any point when he was using a specific quirk from his past like when he changed his face to meet Kotaro?
 
Therefir if that’s the case then answer me why we don’t see AFO get reverted to when he was using Ultimate Quirk Combination from Kamino? Why didn’t we see AFO get reverted to any point when he was using a specific quirk from his past like when he changed his face to meet Kotaro?
The Ultimate Quirk Combination is different than the glowing form, because AFO was likely using that glowing Quirk for a much longer time.

He didn't just stole it and deactivated, he went to wherever that guy was, killed him, stole his Quirk, and came back to his brother with the Quirk still active. On top of that, he is petty enough that he would keep using the Quirk of the glowing baby just because he got more attention than he ever did at the time, so naturally that's one of the states the rewind lingers on rather than the very brief use of the Ultimate Quirk Combination at Kamino, or other forms.
So if Rewind doesn’t affect his quirks why did it get rid of the wings? Heck if this is what is going on, why aren’t the several mutation quirks he uses constantly getting shut down?
None of those transformation Quirks stick around for long anyway, do they? A good example is AFO turning a large portion of his arms into Rivet Stab, something he wouldn't be able to turn back without rewind, his spear-like bones, which vanished entirely along with him when he got rewound out of existence, even though they were the product of a Quirk.

Edit: Right now there's 3 mods approval, which should be enough.
 
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The Ultimate Quirk Combination is different than the glowing form, because AFO was likely using that glowing Quirk for a much longer time.

He didn't just stole it and deactivated, he went to wherever that guy was, killed him, stole his Quirk, and came back to his brother with the Quirk still active. On top of that, he is petty enough that he would keep using the Quirk of the glowing baby just because he got more attention than he ever did at the time, so naturally that's one of the states the rewind lingers on rather than the very brief use of the Ultimate Quirk Combination at Kamino, or other forms.

None of those transformation Quirks stick around for long anyway, do they? A good example is AFO's spear-like bones, they vanished entirely along with him when he got rewound out of existence, even though they were the product of a Quirk.
It was still a transformation used in his life time and should’ve appeared.

Again so why didn’t his face change to the one he used to manipulate Kotaro? He had that face for a while.

Omni Factor Unleashed begs to differ. That giant mutated form should’ve nearly instantly disappeared based on what you’re saying but instead it lasts for an entire chapter. We even see AFO grow bone wings and they don’t disappear. In fact they stay for 10 pages straight. This growth persists for over seven pages and doesn’t disappear. Rivet Stab lasts several pages as well

Why aren’t any of these powers being rewound away?
 
It was still a transformation used in his life time and should’ve appeared.
I don't see why it should. His rewind is running at an extremely accelerated rate, and a few minutes of using a Quirk is nothing compared to how fast his body is being reverted, it would be less than an instant, considering how fast he went from his weakened form to his prime self.
Again so why didn’t his face change to the one he used to manipulate Kotaro? He had that face for a while
How do you even know he kept that face active beyond the moments he used it to meet Kotaro and his family? This makes no sense, AFO wasn't even using that face when he rescued Shimura, and that was just some time after Shimura killed his family!
Omni Factor Unleashed begs to differ. That giant mutated form should’ve nearly instantly disappeared based on what you’re saying but instead it lasts for an entire chapter.
He keeps certain Quirks active by sacrificing the rewind time he has left. He didn't bother doing that with Hawks' Quirk because it was useless to him, so why would he waste time maintaining a Quirk that offers him nothing?
We even see AFO grow bone wings and they don’t disappear. In fact they stay for 10 pages straight. This growth persists for over seven pages and doesn’t disappear. Rivet Stab lasts several pages as well.
And none of this contradicts what I said. As long as he keeps his Quirks constantly active, it stays, otherwise it gets overwritten by the rewind process.

That's why you still can't explain how AFO's physical body reverts from massive, permanent changes like turning large portions of his arms into Rivet Stab, or how his spear-like bones disappeared entirely along with him.
 
Dunno about 20 PSI unc, all I'm seeing is concrete destruction. Which doesn't qualify for 20 psi, in-fact, it's nowhere close.

Maybe I'm wrong, but, all I see is concrete destruction.
 
Dunno about 20 PSI unc, all I'm seeing is concrete destruction. Which doesn't qualify for 20 psi, in-fact, it's nowhere close.

Maybe I'm wrong, but, all I see is concrete destruction.
Blast effects are measured in overpressure, the pressure above normal atmospheric levels, expressed in pounds per square inch (psi).

For reference, an overpressure of 20 psi corresponds to a maximum wind speed of about 502 mph. In this case, the feat reaches wind speeds of roughly 2,000 mph, which is more than enough to justify using the bare minimum of 20 psi.
 
I don't see why it should. His rewind is running at an extremely accelerated rate, and a few minutes of using a Quirk is nothing compared to how fast his body is being reverted, it would be less than an instant, considering how fast he went from his weakened form to his prime self.

How do you even know he kept that face active beyond the moments he used it to meet Kotaro and his family? This makes no sense, AFO wasn't even using that face when he rescued Shimura, and that was just some time after Shimura killed his family!

He keeps certain Quirks active by sacrificing the rewind time he has left. He didn't bother doing that with Hawks' Quirk because it was useless to him, so why would he waste time maintaining a Quirk that offers him nothing?

And none of this contradicts what I said. As long as he keeps his Quirks constantly active, it stays, otherwise it gets overwritten by the rewind process.

That's why you still can't explain how AFO's physical body reverts from massive, permanent changes like turning large portions of his arms into Rivet Stab, or how his spear-like bones disappeared entirely along with him.
So I ask again why didn’t we see it? Even if it is an instant it would’ve been shown if that is how it works.

AFO was friends with Kotaro for literal years. He was befriending him before Tenko was born and was still friends with him by the time he was like 5.

Where did you get that information? So if you agree he wasn’t maintaining the quirk what says he didn’t just dismiss the power? What your saying is that AFO has the never before stated power to actively go against Rewind and prevent it from affecting his body by keeping quirks active so why can’t he hold back his aging?

What? What are you saying? There’s no big explanation on how his arm turned back from being a mass of rivet stab he just turned the quirk off lol. How do you think his fingers go back to normal when he uses it Kamino or how his body goes back to normal when he morphs his hand into a giant mouth? Spearlike Bones disappears because AFO is not around to maintain it.
 
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