Tokyo Ghoul | Kagune addition and some change

[M2u12]

So we'll apply this box,

M2u12/SandboxKagunetypes

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to Ghoul Physiology page, ability that comes from Kagune that is mixed into the Ghouls ability will be moved to its own section.

And for those unfamiliar with the verse, this is a summery for new abilities that will be added.

Spoiler: summerry

General Kagune Abilities​

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics
• Statistics Amplification: Kagune have been consistently shown to be stronger than their users physical bodies
• Limited Regeneration Negation: Strong Kagune can temporarily inhibit regeneration (Accepted in this)

Note that this well change to limit regen neg instead of straight-up regen neg since they can still healed if enough time passes and have good nutrients (probably won't affect cross-verse matchup much anyway.)

• Limited Enhanced Regeneration Negation & Poison Manipulation: Kagune secretions act as poison that inhibits regeneration (Already been accepted on this page for a long time and since Kagune themselves have regen neg properties. So their secretions should be considered enhanced regen neg)
• Limited Shapeshifting & Mimicry: Kagune can change its shape based on the user’s intelligence and imagination. It can mimic body parts such as limbs, eyes, or even a mouth, it can also imitate objects like blades, shields, hammers or springs
  • Limited Elemental Manipulation: it is also capable of replicating elemental abilities, such as 30000°C electricity (Since electricity/lightning based abilities in Tokyo Ghoul are accepted as real lightning, they should have same temperature as real lightning as well) and 4000°C+ flame
• Size Manipulation & Elasticity: Users can adjust the size and extend their Kagune at will)
• Limited Duplication & Additional Limbs: Kagune can duplicate into multiple parts at the user’s will, and each one can function like an additional limb

Resistance to:

• Unconventional Pressure Points & Unconventional Pain Manipulation: Kagune is a stream of RC cells and has no pressure points or pain receptors in the conventional sense (Partially accepted in this)

Type specific Kagune abilities​

This is the justification and abilities from Specific Kagune type such as

Spoiler: Ukaku

Strengths: They’re effective at both close and long ranges, and they’re extremely fast, good for ending fights quickly, Additional abilities granted by the characteristics of this kagune type consist of:

• Enhanced Attack & Speed Amplification
• Danmaku: Can produce a great amount of projectiles at once
• Shockwave Creation & Explosion Manipulation: Can generate enourmous blasts
• Healing: Can heal other humans, Ghouls, and even themself.

Weaknesses: Ukaku types lack endurance and will be at a disadvantage if the battle drags on for a long time.

Spoiler: Koukaku

Strengths: It has the greatest sturdiness compared to other type making them very well suited for defense, Additional abilities granted by the characteristics of this Kagune type consist of:

• Enhanced Durability Amplification

Weaknesses: Due to its weight, Kagune of this type can be difficult to wield and their speed of is inferior to all other types.

Spoiler: Rinkaku

Strengths: Has the most powerful regenerative abilities and the greatest striking power out of all types, allowing them to excel in terms of brute strength, Additional abilities granted by the characteristics of this kagune type consist of:

• Enhanced Power Amplification & Damage Boost
• Enhanced Regeneration: At least Low Mid; Ghouls of this type possess greater regenerative ability than normal Ghouls and Quinxes, who can heal injuries like this

Weaknesses: Rinkaku is the most fragile Kagune type.

Spoiler: Bikaku

Strengths: Most balanced of the Kagune types, great for medium-distance combat possessing decent offense, defense, and speed. Thanks to this it doesn't have any notable strengths or weaknesses like other the types.

Weaknesses: None notable. Lacks destructive power compared to other types, however this is not considered as a notable weakness.

Ghouls/Quinx will have their kagune types listed alongside their Ghoul Physiology, for example:

• Ghoul Physiology: Ukaku Type

And listed alongside weaknesses as well, for example:

Weaknesses: None Notable, Standard Ukaku Type weaknesses

Also, shout out to @DavidTPPM for helping fixing grammar and @Kaydee1648 for formatting shenanigans and fixing grammar too.

Agree: DarthSorox, Godernet, Kavopaco, Kisaragi_Megumi, LordGriffin1000 (Except for Statistics Amplification), Reiner04 (Same opinion as LordGriffin1000), Apex_Predator_GX
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[NikHelton]

Following

 

[NikHelton]

Resistance to regeneration negation should be a general trait, not just a Ukaku trait.

Elementals should also be given heat at 4000 Celsius.

 

[M2u12]

Resistance to regeneration negation should be a general trait, not just a Ukaku trait.

I don't remember if there's a feat for other kagune type that can do that, do you have a scan for it?

Elementals should also be given heat at 4000 Celsius.

IDK if that would be necessary, since elemental manip is listed because the kagune can copy its properties. I’m not sure if the justification for temperature would be needed. And technically, the temperature shouldn’t be just 4,000 Celsius, since lightning-based attacks in TG are already accepted as real lightning, so realistically their temperature should be around 30,000 Celsius.

 

[NikHelton]

I don't remember if there's a feat for other kagune type that can do that, do you have a scan for it?

Uta regenerates after Abara's quinque sliced open his brain.

IDK if that would be necessary, since elemental manip is listed because the kagune can copy its properties. I’m not sure if the justification for temperature would be needed. And technically, the temperature shouldn’t be just 4,000 Celsius, since lightning-based attacks in TG are already accepted as real lightning, so realistically their temperature should be around 30,000 Celsius.

I meant you should add fire to the list. Tatara can create flames.

 

[M2u12]

Uta regenerates after Abara's quinque sliced open his brain.

Which chapter is it? And isn’t it the case that Uta resist regen neg come from himself not because of kagune? he a kakuja ghoul so don't it makes sense for him to have resist regen neg better than a regular ghoul?

I meant you should add fire to the list. Tatara can create flames.

At first I was going to put it in too, but Tatara flames come from kakuja and not kagune, so it probably wouldn't work for kagune justification.

 

[NikHelton]

Which chapter is it? And isn’t it the case that Uta resist regen neg come from himself not because of kagune? he a kakuja ghoul so don't it makes sense for him to have resist regen neg better than a regular ghoul?

Your example was with Eto the Kakuja, so it's odd to make it specific to the Ukaku. I think it's better to remove it from the unique abilities altogether and use it in profiles.

At first I was going to put it in too, but Tatara flames come from kakuja and not kagune, so it probably wouldn't work for kagune justification.

Kakuja is still a kagune, so you can add fire to the list

 

[M2u12]

Your example was with Eto the Kakuja, so it's odd to make it specific to the Ukaku. I think it's better to remove it from the unique abilities altogether and use it in profiles.

Is this what you meant?

Resistance to Regeneration Negation (Can heal from damage caused by a Kagune.

If so, No, Resist Regen Neg comes from the fact that Banjo can heal damage caused by Kagune, it has nothing to do with Kakuja Eto.

Kakuja is still a kagune, so you can add fire to the list

sure ig

 

[NikHelton]

If so, No, Resist Regen Neg comes from the fact that Banjo can heal damage caused by Kagune, it has nothing to do with Kakuja Eto

Oh, I misunderstood. That's Banjo's unique ability. Other ghouls can't do that

 

[M2u12]

Oh, I misunderstood. That's Banjo's unique ability. Other ghouls can't do that

Kagune healing ability isn’t shown very often anyway, and I’m not sure if it counts as a unique ability for Banjo only. But interpreting it as a unique ability for Banjo is probably the safer interpretation, so I’m fine with removing it.

 

[M2u12]

Bump

 

[DavidTPPM]

Writing out the specific heat for related abilities is a decent idea.

As for lightning temp that's a bit hard to say just off of the TG lightning being real because of how lightning works.

 

[M2u12]

Writing out the specific heat for related abilities is a decent idea.

Scan for flame already indicates its temperature, and it’s also stated that the fire can become stronger through emotion. So I’m not sure if specifying the specific heat is really necessary.
(But I’m fine with specifying it if we really want to add it.)

 

[NikHelton]

Considering that this is the lightning temperature used in the Guts profile, I see no problem using it here.

 

[DarthSorox]

Agree

 

[M2u12]

Bump

 

[M2u12]

Bump

 

[NikHelton]

Just write on @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Dalesean027, @Elizhaa, @Godernet

By the way, add the lightning temperature to your blog. It's already used in Guts's profile.

 

[M2u12]

Bump

 

[Godernet]

This looks fine to me.

 

[NikHelton]

Bump

Have you added lightning temperature for Narukami?

 

[NikHelton]

This looks fine to me.

Can you ping @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Elizhaa, @Dereck03, please?

 

[M2u12]

Have you added lightning temperature for Narukami?

I’m planning to revise his profile after I finish revising Kaneki profile, which I’ve been procrastinating on and will probably take a few more months.
So I’ll probably add the temperature for Narukami in that revision too.

 

[NikHelton]

This looks fine to me.

Can you ping @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Elizhaa, @Dereck03, please?

 

[Kavopaco]

agreeing with this

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agree as well

 

[M2u12]

Bump

 

[NikHelton]

Can you ping @DarkDragonMedeus, @Vietthai96, @Elizhaa, @Dereck03, please?

Bump

Can you write on theme pages?

 

[M2u12]

Is it some kind of curse for GOH supporters that every CRT has to take at least two weeks before the results come out?

 

[NikHelton]

Is it some kind of curse for GOH supporters that every CRT has to take at least two weeks before the results come out?

Its Tokyo Ghoul curse too

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This all seems fine with the exception of Statistics Amplification (And by extension the Speed and Attack Amplification for Ukaku, the Durability Amplification for Kuokaku, and the Power Amplification and Damage Boost for Rinkaku).

Statistics Amplification is the act of increasing one's statistics in a fight (that's not permanent usually). However, a Kagune being naturally more tough than the users body isn't evidence of statistics amplification, it's just naturally strong but their not amping themselves, their creating a construct that's naturally stronger than they are. The scans giving talk about how each type has something that makes them special, but it's a natural talent, not an amp.

For this to count as statistics amplification, you'd need evidence that they can increase that aspect of their Kagune mid fight through some form of ability/technique (That's not akin to Accelerated Development or Reactive Evolution), but their Kagune just having natural higher durability, speed and so on compared to others or their normal body doesn't count, it would be like giving someone with blood manipulation statistics amplification because they could use their blood to create a projectile that hits harder then them, despite their being no modifications to their own body.

 

[NikHelton]

This all seems fine with the exception of Statistics Amplification (And by extension the Speed and Attack Amplification for Ukaku, the Durability Amplification for Kuokaku, and the Power Amplification and Damage Boost for Rinkaku).

Statistics Amplification is the act of increasing one's statistics in a fight (that's not permanent usually). However, a Kagune being naturally more tough than the users body isn't evidence of statistics amplification, it's just naturally strong but their not amping themselves, their creating a construct that's naturally stronger than they are. The scans giving talk about how each type has something that makes them special, but it's a natural talent, not an amp.

For this to count as statistics amplification, you'd need evidence that they can increase that aspect of their Kagune mid fight through some form of ability/technique (That's not akin to Accelerated Development or Reactive Evolution), but their Kagune just having natural higher durability, speed and so on compared to others or their normal body doesn't count, it would be like giving someone with blood manipulation statistics amplification because they could use their blood to create a projectile that hits harder then them, despite their being no modifications to their own body.

Thank you, then I guess everything else can be added

 

[M2u12]

This all seems fine with the exception of Statistics Amplification (And by extension the Speed and Attack Amplification for Ukaku, the Durability Amplification for Kuokaku, and the Power Amplification and Damage Boost for Rinkaku).

Statistics Amplification is the act of increasing one's statistics in a fight (that's not permanent usually). However, a Kagune being naturally more tough than the users body isn't evidence of statistics amplification, it's just naturally strong but their not amping themselves, their creating a construct that's naturally stronger than they are. The scans giving talk about how each type has something that makes them special, but it's a natural talent, not an amp.

For this to count as statistics amplification, you'd need evidence that they can increase that aspect of their Kagune mid fight through some form of ability/technique (That's not akin to Accelerated Development or Reactive Evolution), but their Kagune just having natural higher durability, speed and so on compared to others or their normal body doesn't count, it would be like giving someone with blood manipulation statistics amplification because they could use their blood to create a projectile that hits harder then them, despite their being no modifications to their own body.

Ohhh that makes sense. I mean, I could probably argue that Ukaku could have AP&SP Amp and Rinkaku could have Damage Boost as well, but I'd probably do that in another CRT where it would be adding random missing abilities.

Thanks for evaluate.

 

[Reiner04]

I am fine with Lordgriffin evaluation

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This all seems fine to me.

 

[M2u12]

i think i apply everything to the profile now, this can be closed.