Vegito and Zamasu upgrade thread (yet again)

[Omegas03]

The last one got a lot of agreements but went nowhere so I'll try to go ahead with this one and see if I can get enough staff approval here.

TLDR for it: Zamasu and Vegito have a lot of accolades around them stating to be "above Gods" or "beyond Kaioshins understanding of Gods" when it's a known fact that two GoDs fighting can destroy macrocosms.

The suggestion in hand is to start the 2 macrocosm scaling with Vegito Blue and Fused Zamasu. And upscale it with Jiren or Omen 1 Goku. not much more than that.

 

[Omegas03]

I want to add a second proposal too, may be getting a bit too greedy with it but anyways.

As we all know, Vegito and Zamasu fight seemed to be about even

Or was it?

for starters the first portion of the fight was Vegito baiting Zamasu to get a lethal blow with his sword. Zamasu never had any upperhand or even parity with Vegito in the first place

After that, Zamasu powers up even further.

And guess what happens?

Vegito overwhelms Zamasu with a power up as well, and not just that but he completely ragdolls Zamasu for the second portion of the fight. Zamasu is completely overwhelmed by Vegito.

Official Dragon Ball sources also had stated that Vegito "overwhelmed" Zamasu, so this was meant to be a completely in favor of Vegito (I'll get the source of this when I can, but it definitely exists).

What's my point with this?

-Zamasu doesn't (fully) scale to Vegito.

-Episode 110 Jiren and UIO1 Goku being scaled above Zamasu via, well, blatant statements; doesn't necessarily mean that they are stronger than Vegito Blue. Same would actually apply for SSJ2 Kefla and guess what, it'll make complete sense considering Vegito's components aren't at all weaker than Kefla's.

This thread would aim for Zamasu to scale at 2 macrocosms. And Vegito Blue, UIO1 Goku and whoever is above them just upscale even more.

I may add to this that Zamasu seemed to completely tank Vegito's FP Final KHH towards the end of the fight, but I got three explanations for this one.

Options:

1) Zamasu regenerated (Zamasu resurgitated from a cloud of smoke, then proceeds to brag about his immortality/immortal body iirc), making it likely he just regenerated from the Final KHH instead of tanking it).

Considering Zamasu's body was getting more and more unstable the more he fought, you can also say that the Final KHH weakened him enough for Trunks to just be able to keep up and later finish him off despite moments prior getting completely stomped by Zamasu.

2) PIS / Outlier (considering all what happened prior to that and official statements for the fight it can just be chalked to an outlier for Zamasu).

Vote tally:

Agree (option 1):

Agree (option 2):

Disagree (Vegito doesn't need to be scaled above Zamasu at all):

I would like to aim for Vegito Blue scale to at least GoD Toppo as Zamasu outright said he was above Gods and Toppo is like the Baseline for that, but I think I need far more evidence for this one. Let's just stick to the bolded

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I want to add a second proposal too, may be getting a bit too greedy with it but anyways.

As we all know, Vegito and Zamasu fight seemed to be about even

Or was it?

for starters the first portion of the fight was Vegito baiting Zamasu to get a lethal blow with his sword. Zamasu never had any upperhand or even parity with Vegito in the first place

After that, Zamasu powers up even further.

And guess what happens?

Vegito overwhelms Zamasu with a power up as well, and not just that but he completely ragdolls Zamasu for the second portion of the fight. Zamasu is completely overwhelmed by Vegito.

Official Dragon Ball sources also had stated that Vegito "overwhelmed" Zamasu, so this was meant to be a completely in favor of Vegito (I'll get the source of this when I can, but it definitely exists).

What's my point with this?

-Zamasu doesn't (fully) scale to Vegito.

-Episode 110 Jiren and UIO1 Goku being scaled above Zamasu via, well, blatant statements; doesn't necessarily mean that they are stronger than Vegito Blue. Same would actually apply for SSJ2 Kefla and guess what, it'll make complete sense considering Vegito's components aren't at all weaker than Kefla's.

This thread would aim for Zamasu to scale at 2 macrocosms. And Vegito Blue, UIO1 Goku and whoever is above them just upscale even more.

I would like to aim for Vegito Blue scale to at least GoD Toppo as Zamasu outright said he was above Gods and Toppo is like the Baseline for that, but I think I need far more evidence for this one. Let's just stick to the bolded

The only weird part of this is Zamasu just kind of face tanking a Final Kamehameha and not getting splattered by it despite Vegito rocking him badly with physical strikes.

 

[Omegas03]

The only weird part of this is Zamasu just kind of face tanking a Final Kamehameha and not getting splattered by it despite Vegito rocking him badly with physical strikes.

I have two explanations for this one

1) Zamasu regenerated (Zamasu resurgitated from a cloud of smoke, then proceeds to brag about his immortality/immortal body iirc), making it likely he just regenerated from the Final KHH instead of tanking it).

Considering Zamasu's body was getting more and more unstable the more he fought, you can also say that the Final KHH weakened him enough for Trunks to just be able to keep up and later finish him off despite moments prior getting completely stomped by Zamasu.

2) PIS / Outlier (considering all what happened prior to that and official statements for the fight it can just be chalked to an outlier for Zamasu).

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I have two explanations for this one

1) Zamasu regenerated (Zamasu resurgitated from a cloud of smoke, then proceeds to brag about his immortality/immortal body iirc), making it likely he just regenerated from the Final KHH instead of tanking it).

Considering Zamasu's body was getting more and more unstable the more he fought, you can also say that the Final KHH weakened him enough for Trunks to just be able to keep up and later finish him off despite moments prior getting completely stomped by Zamasu.

2) PIS / Outlier (considering all what happened prior to that and official statements for the fight it can just be chalked to an outlier).

I'm gonna go with option 2 since I feel like if he had been obliterated by it then he would have just turned into Infinite Zamasu.

 

[Omegas03]

I think both are likely explanations so I will add a vote tally with 3 options to see if this can get enough agreement and get accepted.

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Omegas03]

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[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Agree

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I guess this is okay. I don't remember the black arc much but scaling these two to 2 macrocosms seems fine. I'll wait for any responses regarding the options but I agree with the standard.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

The only weird part of this is Zamasu just kind of face tanking a Final Kamehameha and not getting splattered by it despite Vegito rocking him badly with physical strikes.

Do we know if Vegito's Final Kamehameha was at full power? Isn't there a thing about Potara that the users can accidentally defuse if they unleash too much power at once? Unless Vegito wasn't aware of that?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Do we know if Vegito's Final Kamehameha was at full power? Isn't there a thing about Potara that the users can accidentally defuse if they unleash too much power at once? Unless Vegito wasn't aware of that?

Firstly Vegito didn't know that, not even the Kai who gave it to them knew that at first and second the Final Kamehameha upscales his physicals even without really charging it up so it doesn't make sense either way.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

That makes sense. Though I feel Dragon Ball isn't consistent with that principle.

I guess the only option is to consider that an outlier, going by that logic.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Omegas03]

This be looking good.

the scaling would start with Fused Zamasu then Ep 109/110 would just upscale.

(Vegito Blue can be discussed as I need more input but pushing him to at least 110 Omen/Jiren tier would be fine with me).

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Omegas03]

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[Omegas03]

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[Gp972]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Easy agree and I believe the zamasu thing is an outlier

 

[Omegas03]

Ded topic bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Yanina92]

I agree

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bump

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Seems good.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

how does this thread keep dying bro?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bump

 

[Reiner04]

Should be fine.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

let's go.
So, that's all we need right?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

let's go.
So, that's all we need right?

Probably, yeah.

 

[Supersonicmaker]

was this ever applied?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

was this ever applied?

sadly not, no