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Bump coz why not?
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(1 Staff Needed) Punishing Virus Revision
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Disagree.
Yuka's mind got annhilated because she got dissolved by the Red Tide and died, a simple process of a human consciousness fading upon death. It is simply a flowery way of saying that Yuka got killed by the Ride Tide. Annhilation also isn't the same thing as erasure. And the M.I.N.D is simply a human mind with a consciousness that stories memories, nothing special about that either.
Information Type 2 is also invalid. It only says that the universe is build up by information, "information" is an umbrella noun term for all types of information, clearly the information that makes up the universe and information that makes up the consciousness are two different things. The human consciousness being made up of information is only type 1, nothing says it is made from the information that shapes up reality.
Why is Concept 1 even on the thread? Nothing indicates anything about any concept at all, let alone even type 1. And being a concept that exists outside space-time continuum does not make it universally independent (type 1).
This is only memory and data manipulation. The mind and soul isn't even affected in this process. It simply says data can be uploaded to the soul and consciousness, and that data in the soul and consciousness can be adjusted and changed. Just because you can draw on a paper doesn't mean you can manipulate the molecules of a paper, this would be hilariously goofy.
Yuka's mind got annhilated because she got dissolved by the Red Tide and died, a simple process of a human consciousness fading upon death. It is simply a flowery way of saying that Yuka got killed by the Ride Tide. Annhilation also isn't the same thing as erasure. And the M.I.N.D is simply a human mind with a consciousness that stories memories, nothing special about that either.
Information Type 2 is also invalid. It only says that the universe is build up by information, "information" is an umbrella noun term for all types of information, clearly the information that makes up the universe and information that makes up the consciousness are two different things. The human consciousness being made up of information is only type 1, nothing says it is made from the information that shapes up reality.
Why is Concept 1 even on the thread? Nothing indicates anything about any concept at all, let alone even type 1. And being a concept that exists outside space-time continuum does not make it universally independent (type 1).
This is only memory and data manipulation. The mind and soul isn't even affected in this process. It simply says data can be uploaded to the soul and consciousness, and that data in the soul and consciousness can be adjusted and changed. Just because you can draw on a paper doesn't mean you can manipulate the molecules of a paper, this would be hilariously goofy.
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I have no idea what you mean by black tide? That isn't something that exists in the verse.
This is largely semantics, annihilation of a metaphysical object is typically seen as erasure, as to begin with metaphysical objects cannot be broken down into smaller parts. Unless the verse in question goes out of their way to specify otherwise, you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing at that point. Suppose I changed it to say destruction or annihilation instead of erasure, fundamentally it would make no difference other than satisfying your own personal view of the word. Lastly this stems from you not properly reading the scan, as Reika clearly states that whether it's the Punishing infection or the pressure of people's memories either would lead to the annihilation of Yuka's consciousness.
You clearly have major issues reading scans and should properly read them before trying to argue or comment.
Incorrect, once again you clearly didn't read the scans. Information structures are something that the entire verse is composed of, Ishmael states that different expressions of information make the differences, this is then later directly confirmed by Schulz who says the same exact thing and even outright states that the souls of awakened machines and everything in the universe is information.
What...? You're arguing something that's universally independent...isn't universally independent?
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thanks.
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Red Tide I meant. Sorry.
She died from the punishing infection by the Red Tide and her consciousnss is gone. It is this simple.
You're not making yourself look better.
So what? Is the information you get from diddling as a hikikomori by watching brainrotted Tik Tok monstrosities the same information an undergrad engineer alumni attained from their years of education? This is just pure common sense at this point. Just because the universe is made out of information doesn't mean it is the same information that makes up a consciousness. "Information" is an umbrella noun, funny that you're saying I have major reading issues.
Did you even read the standards for a type 1 concept? It requires a concept to be independent from the object it governs. Meaning that if the objects it governs are all destroyed, the concept still remains. Also, what the hell is the concept in question even here? What does it even govern? Existing outside a space-time continuum does not make that concept in question independent and fundamental. Also, this imgur you shown didn't even indicate the M.I.N.D is outside a space-time universe but it is literally said to be within the realm itself.
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You're good.
Except that's not at all what happened? She didn't die from the infection, you'd best not try and make baseless assumptions like this. The reason she was going to die was because the Red Tide was corrupting her consciousness, not because of the physical infection as Yuka is not even a human.
Before worrying about others worry about yourself, you aren't even understanding the scans and are just making baseless assumptions.
Genuinely what are you yapping about? Stay on topic please, this has absolutely nothing to do with anything here.
Yeah, and I stand by what I said because it is verbatim stated that the information that makes up the universe is what makes up these things. You want to argue otherwise? Prove it to me with scans, if you can't then your arguments are pointless.
Did you even read the scan? Lee's M.I.N.D space still existed even after an infinite amount of versions of himself literally died in the past and future, so yes. I fully understand the standards, you need to fully read the scans. At this point I'm just going to ignore you if you continue because you're making baseless assumptions, not properly reading and just overall wasting my time.
You'd know if you...read the scans.
Never said it did.
No it's not, because it clearly states that Lee who can travel through the spacetime continuum arrived NOT at a specific point in time but a dimension of chaos. As M.I.N.D space is not a physical realm, it's an abstract data realm. The reason Lee is able to travel to it, is because it is literally his own M.I.N.D to begin with, again, if you're just going to pointlessly argue and blatantly fail to read the scans I'm not going to entertain you. You aren't a staff, thus your vote holds no value, I responded to you because I assumed you were going to make some actual points based off the information presented but you are not doing that, you're just arguing and twisting scans that you blatantly haven't read for no reason.
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Sorry, I was asked to call staff, and I don't know the verse at all, so I just called the two new thread mods.
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Vietthai is so overworked 
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Cotton tier slave ahh work
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naaah theres actually no way bro said thatCotton tier slave ahh work
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That is WiildCotton tier slave ahh work
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I keep getting called into Gacha game verse CRTs, at this point i think this gerne is playing me, not me playing it
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I'd recommend leave wiki momentarily and play something like RDR2, TW3 e.t.c.
I keep getting called into Gacha game verse CRTs, at this point i think this gerne is playing me, not me playing it
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Playing a lot of DMC, The Elder Scrolls and Fallout and even Need for Speed lol
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Which ones btw?
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is there even a discussion thread for need for speed?? last time i played nfs was like the run series, havent tried the others but yeah this series is peak
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Underground was my baby that I cared for deeply. But alas! Time passed by and it was lost within it
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yeah the run is also a lost media, literally almost nfs game because EA SUCKS
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Yo wallahi I'm gonna report ya'll for derailing my thread
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If you're trying to relax you can stick to 5, but I found 3 was the best palette cleanser after that awful Netflix show, so... 4 is also good, and 1 is good if you're okay with a slower pace. 2 is pretty frustrating.
If you want an almost hilariously relaxing experience playing Skyrim, note this console command: setessential 7 1
After using that, your enemies literally don't stand a chance, and it's using a method the game already uses on you, making it kind of like sticking it to the system.
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Unfortunately I'm having some major computer problems at the moment so I won't be able to respond much to this thread for the foreseeable future.
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Okay, happy to announce I am semi back. So we can get this rolling again so bump cuz why not.
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