(ACCEPTED) Lord of Mysteries Profile Revisions

[SuperNova55555]

It's finally time to save this verse bro

First up, our favorite Tentacle boi:

• Klein's Old Profile
• Klein's New Profile

Spoiler: MAIN CHANGES

1. Added the abilities from the accepted Physiology Page
2. Added the scaling accepted in the previous threads
3. Added the "Lord of Mysteries" Key which includes a bunch of new hax (which need accepting)
4. Added links and references to everything
5. Updated the accepted Speed scaling
   1. Specifically the "Relativistic" speed is not accepted though, so that needs looking into
6. Updated Klein's range to 1-A in every Key whilst inside Sefirah Castle
7. Added a "Within Sefirah Castle" tab for most Keys with abilities Klein gets whilst inside there.
8. Added infinite stamina for the new "Lord of Mysteries" Key

And secondly, our Monocle Man:

• Amon's Old Profile
• Amon's New Profile

Spoiler: MAIN CHANGES

1. Added new links and references
2. Downgraded as accepted in previous threads
   1. Added a new "4-C" rating that needs looking into and mod opinion
3. Added "Angel of Redemption" Key with new abilities that also need looking into
4. Added what was accepted in the Physiology Page
5. Reworked Speed scaling
   1. (Again, Relativistic speed isn't accepted yet so mod votes are needed)
6. Also the range rating looks really weird but it does make sense. (It can basically be understood as "Physical Amon can affect a town, whereas conceptual Amon can affect an Outerversal Town", but any being that goes to the Astral World (undergoes the qualitative shift) also becomes capable of affecting anywhere in Physical Reality so the range is in fact combat-applicative. (It's why they use it to teleport around the Universe for example)

As for the rest of the verse? They'll need more time for me to cook their profiles (I'm very busy), so until then, I request that every profile listed here (aside from the aforementioned Klein and Amon profiles) be deleted until I can rework them in the future; otherwise, you'll have new, fresh profiles whilst others are extremely outdated. Additionally, it should go without saying that the Authority page be deleted as well. Thanks.

(P.S For anyone wondering about OC's profile, it's coming in the next thread as I plan to upgrade him to High 1-A)

Votes:

• Vietthai96 (Agree)
• DarkDragonMedeus (Agree)
• Celestial_Pegasus (Agree)
• Elizhaa (Agree)

 

[Pluto321]

Looks good but
1) remove immortality type 1 from Miracle Invoker since Angel can live 10,000 or less, it should be Longevity and scan also doesn't mention about eternal lifespan or anything life that.
2) Remove Immeasurable speed as soul in spirit world, until klein can physically go in spirit world and travel. This also can't be use in combat also.
3) Remove Outerversal Durability, since Mythical Creature Form aren't that durable in the first since lom characters are hax merchants and lom doesn't have ues also.
4) I am still a but iffy about Outerversal Range but since they can go in astral world it makes sense.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

I mean, overall the profiles look fine for now, but are you sure about deleting all of those other character profiles? It’ll probably take a lot more work to rebuild them from the ground up rather than just doing another revamp.

 

[Tatsumi504]

After the anime, I skipped volume 1 of book 1, binged the rest but I'm iffy about reading coi (though I've started)… with that said, there's a lot of stuff I want to challenge but can't until I've read the remaining books but on that note, Outerversal range, durability and attack potency all have to go. The same can be said for immeasurable speed.

Though I have barely started coi I have read ahead and one of the things stressed about is the range a GOO can affect being galaxies normally and the universe with their symbolisms. Though the astral world is currently rated 1-A, I doubt it translates to range as well as both the astral and spirit world are omnipresent in reality and each time range is referenced, the context always points to the observable universe (an infinite universe in this case) in the normal sense or in other words, High 3-A.

For speed, this is simply a state of existence and doesn't translate to speed. Major stuff about the series have been spoiled for and one of them includes the Lord of Storms dying to the MGOD where he transformed into a pillar of lightning reaching near light speed. Outer space as far as I know is also included as part of the astral world so he should've been in his conceptual form. Though time and space may only exist conceptually in the astral world, time very much still matters for the entities there as we are giving a measure of how long certain entities could delay each other while fighting.

For attack potency I hold the same view I do for their range though not exactly in the same way. If there are any entities that could qualify for having 1-A AP, they'll be the original creator and the fourth pillar (can't say for any other GOO as I know squat about them for now) and in the fourth pillar's case, that's by using their symbolism to reset the universe emphasizing Pluto's point of the verse being hax merchants.

Most of these ratings for now are just conjecture without the feats to back them up. There's no need to correlate their hax with their physical statistics

 

[Re5yh]

Looks good, I agree

 

[SuperNova55555]

1) remove immortality type 1 from Miracle Invoker since Angel can live 10,000 or less, it should be Longevity and scan also doesn't mention about eternal lifespan or anything life that.

Probably. No clue why Type 1 is even there ngl (prob accidentally carried over from the old profile)

2) Remove Immeasurable speed as soul in spirit world, until klein can physically go in spirit world and travel. This also can't be use in combat also.

I heard smthn about realms not granting speed themselves. I don’t really mind removing it tho. I’ll wait for a mod on this

3) Remove Outerversal Durability, since Mythical Creature Form aren't that durable in the first since lom characters are hax merchants and lom doesn't have ues also.

MCF is not the reasoning for Durability (not what a conceptual form is)

4) I am still a but iffy about Outerversal Range but since they can go in astral world it makes sense.

It’s very wack yea, but its the same shit as 1-A Godhood; Klein uses Sefirah as a proxy which itself uses it’s Symbolism as a power. (It’s why he can look into Deities in the Astral World). This would only ever be usable for Diviniation in early Sequences tho so it means almost nothing in VS matches aside from incon or wtvr

After the anime, I skipped volume 1 of book 1, binged the rest but I'm iffy about reading coi (though I've started)…

I mean man. Please realize that you can’t expect me to take this comment seriously.

Though the astral world is currently rated 1-A, I doubt it translates to range as well as both the astral and spirit world are omnipresent in reality and each time range is referenced, the context always points to the observable universe (an infinite universe in this case) in the normal sense or in other words, High 3-A.

You can disprove this by literally seeing any of the scans either in the actual profile or the cosmology page. Like, one second, did you actually read the AP justification for 1-A at all?

For speed, this is simply a state of existence and doesn't translate to speed.

This I think is true for Spirit World but all 1-A being are Immeasurable intrisically

Though time and space may only exist conceptually in the astral world, time very much still matters for the entities there as we are giving a measure of how long certain entities could delay each other while fighting.

Again, 1-A.

For attack potency I hold the same view I do for their range though not exactly in the same way. If there are any entities that could qualify for having 1-A AP, they'll be the original creator and the fourth pillar (can't say for any other GOO as I know squat about them for now) and in the fourth pillar's case, that's by using their symbolism to reset the universe emphasizing Pluto's point of the verse being hax merchants.

If you can affect all particulars including in 1-A realms; you’re 1-A. No tier actually requires you to implicitly destroy an entire realm.

Most of these ratings for now are just conjecture without the feats to back them up. There's no need to correlate their hax with their physical statistics

Refer to the previous comment please.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean, overall the profiles look fine for now, but are you sure about deleting all of those other character profiles? It’ll probably take a lot more work to rebuild them from the ground up rather than just doing another revamp.

The issue is honestly just in the aesthetical sense. Naturally, these profiles aren’t even usable in VS matches + they’re misinformation. They genuinely have no reason to exist.

And if needed, I can always archive them in my sandbox.

 

[Exoko]

Though I have barely started coi I have read ahead and one of the things stressed about is the range a GOO can affect being galaxies normally and the universe with their symbolisms.

Due to another Symbolism (Eternal Darkness page, references can be found there)

After the anime, I skipped volume 1 of book 1, binged the rest but I'm iffy about reading coi (though I've started)…

Don’t forget the WeChat Chronicles!

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Agree

 

[Tatsumi504]

I mean man. Please realize that you can’t expect me to take this comment seriously.

I mean I was just letting you know, I'm also just giving an opinion. I can't fish out scans from a book I haven't read. I've finished LotM besides volume 1 so I can get scans from there if needed but for CoI I'm just at the 40-50ish chapters rn.

You can disprove this by literally seeing any of the scans either in the actual profile or the cosmology page. Like, one second, did you actually read the AP justification for 1-A at all?

Yes I did but I won't speak on it, support nor challenge it until my knowledge on the 2nd book is sufficient. For now I'm only challenging what I am sure of however, if one follows the context, their stated range being the universe is always next to "star systems", "galaxy" hence pointing towards a standard universe. I am not gonna drag this out nor do I intend to die on this hill so there's no need to reply to this. I'll make a thread for any contentions I have once I've brushed up on my knowledge

This I think is true for Spirit World but all 1-A being are Immeasurable intrisically

Is that the current standard we go by? Even so, they aren't this fast narratively speaking. Time still very much matters for them. Travel through the spirit world for one isn't even instantaneous which is why Azik couldn't get back to Tingen in time to save Klein then there's still the matter of a stated speed for the Lord of Storms who is also a conceptual entity in the Astral world. If you wish to ignore all of this and go against the narrative for standards that cannot be universally applied and can be contradicted in other fictional settings be my guest.

Again, 1-A.

Contradicted within the series.

If you can affect all particulars including in 1-A realms; you’re 1-A. No tier actually requires you to implicitly destroy an entire realm.

I never said they need to destroy a 1-A realm, affecting such a realm is still a viable way to gain a tier however, they do not do this directly

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yes I did but I won't speak on it, support nor challenge it until my knowledge on the 2nd book is sufficient. For now I'm only challenging what I am sure of however, if one follows the context, their stated range being the universe is always next to "star systems", "galaxy" hence pointing towards a standard universe. I am not gonna drag this out nor do I intend to die on this hill so there's no need to reply to this. I'll make a thread for any contentions I have once I've brushed up on my knowledge

Well, just so you know, if we go by your claim then Spirit World Creatures > Symbolism. And I dont rlly think you read it in-depth because that very last sentence has two instances where Symbolism affects the entirety of the Spirit and Astral World. Also you don’t need COI knowledge because Adam already did this in LOTM.

Time still very much matters for them.

Change ≠ Time. Also, all 1-A things function of meta-time.

This is also like saying beings in the Spirit World move linearly through Time even though their existence intersects Past, Present, Future simultaneously. (It’s explained in the series btw)

Any being who transcends Time can easily form Temporal relations with what functions within time without being qualified as temporal

Travel through the spirit world for one isn't even instantaneous which is why Azik couldn't get back to Tingen in time to save Klein

1) You don’t know if that’s the reason for being late.
2) Spirit World is used for teleporting; the reason it takes time is that you need to lock into the Spirit World Coordinates. Which also then explains why Blink is instantaneous, because you don’t need the Coordinates for it.
3) They use the Spirit World to teleport across the Universe, especially in the final fight

there's still the matter of a stated speed for the Lord of Storms who is also a conceptual entity in the Astral world.

1) This was in Reality
2) Even if it were in the Astral World, there is no contradiction here. You know no being truly is beyond Causality, Time and Change until High 1-A+, ye? All 1-A beings function off meta-time

If you wish to ignore all of this and go against the narrative for standards that cannot be universally applied and can be contradicted in other fictional settings be my guest.

Why do you think Sequence 3 Wanderers use the Astral World for traversing the Universe lol?

Contradicted within the series.

Alr explained above.

I never said they need to destroy a 1-A realm, affecting such a realm is still a viable way to gain a tier however, they do not do this directly

-> You: They do not do this directly
-> Verse: They consistently affect the entirety of both Realms. Btw, when CW shook the Astral World and MGOD’s birth caused the existence of all 3, is that not superiority?

 

[Exoko]

once I've brushed up on my knowledge

after COI you might want to spend some time looking through the wiki, CF releases a lot of information outside of the book (side stories, complete pathway abilities/formulas/rituals along with QnAs),

 

[Devourer1]

@Super_Nova so after reaching godhood (seq 4 and higher) all powers will get 1-a smurf potency?

 

[SuperNova55555]

@Super_Nova so after reaching godhood (seq 4 and higher) all powers will get 1-a smurf potency?

All powers are OCs and correspond to the Sefirot, so in some arbitrary essential way, they’re all fundamentally 1-A. But only Godhood and Symbolism are 1-A functionally/combat-applicative

 

[Exoko]

All powers are OCs and correspond to the Sefirot, so in some arbitrary essential way, they’re all fundamentally 1-A. But only Godhood and Symbolism are 1-A functionally/combat-applicative

Wouldn't manifesting & fighting in a 1A realm give the other characters 1A A.P?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Wouldn't manifesting & fighting in a 1A realm give the other characters 1A A.P?

Ye, even the Morora ppl are technically 1-A btw. It’s js that most of this is not combat-applicative. Like sure, Fors can go to the Astral World… and then what? Just exist there and nothing else? It’s not combat-applicative and only serves for traversing the cosmos.

Being 1-A is merely a mechanic of the Realm the same way Immeasurable Speed is the mechanic of the Spirit World and not inherent to the characters themselves. Only GOOs get 1-A because they are the foundation of the mechanics themselves.

 

[Devourer1]

For example using marionette ability of seq 4 seer pathway will be 1-a smurf potency via godhood in this ability?

 

[Exoko]

Ye, even the Morora ppl are technically 1-A btw. It’s js that most of this is not combat-applicative. Like sure, Fors can go to the Astral World… and then what? Just exist there and nothing else? It’s not combat-applicative and only serves for traversing the cosmos.

Yeah most of them can't do anything, like the Morora bunch would be unable to contact reality & just end up in a stalemate with anybody below. Though characters like Amon have been shown to be able to affect Reality from it (e.g as a S0 exploiting a connection between MTOD and a Uniqueness while observing Reality).

Being 1-A is merely a mechanic of the Realm the same way Immeasurable Speed is the mechanic of the Spirit World and not inherent to the characters themselves. Only GOOs get 1-A because they are the foundation of the mechanics themselves.

Afaik it still scales to 1A, whether it's a simple punch they throw or Authority that they use, as long as it's in a realm that would scale to 1A, everything about them has to be 1A,

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yeah most of them can't do anything, like the Morora bunch would be unable to contact reality & just end up in a stalemate with anybody below. Though characters like Amon have been shown to be able to affect Reality from it (e.g as a S0 exploiting a connection between MTOD and a Uniqueness while observing Reality).

This is not exactly affecting 1-A lel. Anyhow this is covered in the range section

Afaik it still scales to 1A, whether it's a simple punch they throw or Authority that they use, as long as it's in a realm that would scale to 1A, everything about them has to be 1A,

Yea but the rating needs a meaningful reason to exist, that’s why only his durability is 1-A. And we haven’t actually seen anyone affect Symbolism in the Astral World except for GOOs

 

[SuperNova55555]

For example using marionette ability of seq 4 seer pathway will be 1-a smurf potency via godhood in this ability?

I mean like, a fireball is not 1-A; just its source is.

Marrionettisation isn’t inherently 1-A and the Souls aren’t 1-A either. But since you can infuse abilities with Godhood, you’d need 1-A powers to negate it without exploiting the abilities inherent weaknesses.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It's finally time to save this verse bro

Save gensh*n next and when u do that name yourself Super_Man

 

[SuperNova55555]

Save gensh*n next and when u do that name yourself Super_Man

Even Superman has limits bru. I’ma leave that shithole to Sahl

 

[Devourer1]

I mean like, a fireball is not 1-A; just its source is.

Marrionettisation isn’t inherently 1-A and the Souls aren’t 1-A either. But since you can infuse abilities with Godhood, you’d need 1-A powers to negate it without exploiting the abilities inherent weaknesses.

I mean the fight won’t be possible for Demi-gods without 1-a powers since they have 1-a powernull (sry for bad English)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bump

 

[Devourer1]

Bump

 

[Voidnether]

As for the rest of the verse? They'll need more time for me to cook their profiles (I'm very busy), so until then, I request that every profile listed here (aside from the aforementioned Klein and Amon profiles) be deleted until I can rework them in the future; otherwise, you'll have new, fresh profiles whilst others are extremely outdated. Additionally, it should go without saying that the Authority page be deleted as well. Thanks.

The moment I saw these profiles months ago were the moment I know LOTM was in shambles and I kept slandering LOTM for it unironically

 

[Exoko]

The moment I saw these profiles months ago were the moment I know LOTM was in shambles and I kept slandering LOTM for it unironically

‘Slander’ just reminded me bout the Inextinguishable Ravings, I completely forgot about what I was even doing here

 

[Exoko]

Also, may you become one with Indestructibility

 

[SuperNova55555]

What is bro talking about

 

[Exoko]

What is bro talking about

Idk, I forgot again

 

[Devourer1]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

This looks fine

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looks fine to me.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bump

Uhh, I guess High 1-A+ OC might also be tenable, but he’s in the kitchen rn, gonna see how well I cook

 

[Elizhaa]

Proposals look fine.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Is that enough

 

[Vietthai96]

It is enough, 3 admin + 1 thread mod

 

[SuperNova55555]

Alright, thanks I’ll attempt to apply the changes soon then

 

[LOTM_Historian]

It is enough, 3 admin + 1 thread mod

To apply the changes we need these profiles unlocked:

Klein Moretti

Klein Moretti, originally known as Zhou Mingrui, wakes up in a new world after transmigrating. He is a Beyonder of the Fool Pathway and is the main protagonist of the novel Lord of Mysteries. He leads the Tarot Club as the powerful and mysterious entity known only to its members as The Fool...

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Amon (Lord of the Mysteries)

Amon, also known as the Angel of Time, was one of the Kings of Angels from the 3rd Epoch and a child of the Ancient Sun God. He was a Sequence 1: Worm of Time born with the Uniqueness of the Error Pathway that later became a Dual Pathway Deity of Error and Door when he replaced Mr. Door in his...

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