Gojo powering a nation Re-Do

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Kenjaku is the one that states the Gojo has the energy to power a whole nation.

No, It was the politician who mentioned Gojo as the white-haired guy

Also the lifetime statement and powering a nation statement are completely unconnected, so it's a stretch to assume that a sorcerer producing power for a lifetime would extend to Gojo being able to produce power for an entire nation for a lifetime.

As far as I know, Gojo was also a sorcerer, so it's not a stretch

 

[Rodriiogo]

The U.S. officials have basically no authority here. Kenjaku is the one that states the Gojo has the energy to power a whole nation.

Let me stop you right there.

It.. was a U.S. official that stated it, specificially the under secretary of the office of energy and enviroment. Not Kenjaku. Kenjaku doesn't say a single word after the recording ends until the "So what will you do Mr. President" so everything that you said below about it being a bias view doesn't apply as a counter as the statement is indeed done by the U.S Official.

Also the lifetime statement and powering a nation statement are completely unconnected, so it's a stretch to assume that a sorcerer producing power for a lifetime would extend to Gojo being able to produce power for an entire nation for a lifetime.

I already explained why they would be logically connected some comments ago, quoting myself again:

They strictly say the sorcerers are supposed to be energy for a lifetime.
Their plan is complete energy independency using Cursed Energy:

• They plan for sorcerers to replace every type of energy for a life time as thats literally what complete energy independency is;
• They single out Gojo as a special one because he can do an entire nation by himself. The wording itself is implying that, yes, others can do it but not by themselves, as they don't have as much CE Output as Gojo.

I think it's pretty clear here that the intent is in the lifetime energy replacement project, Gojo would be able to power an entire nation by himself unlike other sorcerers which would need groups to do so. Also even if you think he only does it for a "week" he would still need... rest and the 1 second doesnt work in the exact same way.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Also as I said before I would be fine with changing the timeframe, I used the normal timeframe that a human body takes to recover after strength training (which would be a standard assumption from a human's perspective which is the case here) but if we have a better timeframe I will change it.

Main point: 1 second doesn't work

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Don't forget to add the votes to show who agrees, disagrees, or is neutral.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Don't forget to add the votes to show who agrees, disagrees, or is neutral.

Oh yea my bad

 

[ElJoaki5]

Ok so I actually looked at the calculation and you assume that Gojo gives a country power for a whole two or three days with one single attack. The assumption you use to back this up is that the people who stated this couldn’t know that Gojo doesn’t actually need rest.

Thing is, we really dont know what they know or think. In the end this is just an assumption that highballs the result from this feat and is information that cant actually be necessarily proven to be true, thats something that we dont do in this wiki.

Also, we know that they have been shown 1-3 f Sukuna since he is one of the pictures shown, which was quite literally living without a heart. They have been shown all these crazy superhuman abilities and its explained to them how sorcerers can produce a shit ton of energy and yet, you can really be so sure that they believe Gojo needs normal rest like any other person? Anyways it’s just based on an assumption.

But this is not all, you calculation also considers Gojo to do this with one single attack. Who says Gojo can’t generate energy for an extended period of time and then rest instead of generating all that energy is just one second? Thats another assumption.

Like really, youd just have to run off so many assumptions to make this work, when we only really have a vague statement. In that sense the current calculation works, as its lowballed.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Ok so I actually looked at the calculation and you assume that Gojo gives a country power for a whole two or three days with one single attack. The assumption you use to back this up is that the people who stated this couldn’t know that Gojo doesn’t actually need rest.

And the fact that the person's source for the statement is a viewing of Gojo using weak blues (probably not the attack) and Hollow purple which I said is the safest option to say what he uses as the country powering attack. As I said before, Gojo doesnt get his CE output drained by cables or something in this, they saw him using an attack once and said that he could power the entire country. So the point is that a single attack would power the country for a timeframe longer than "a second" because of this reason and the rest issue.

Thing is, we really dont know what they know or think. In the end this is just an assumption that highballs the result from this feat and is information that cant actually be necessarily proven to be true, thats something that we dont do in this wiki.

I think it's safe to use what they know, which is the recordings they saw where sorcerers fight take minutes before they start getting tired (and they don't use said powerful attacks every second). Even if we use gojo's actual timeframe of a fight, Gojo VS Sukuna lasted only around 30 minutes. They have no way of saying Gojo could last more than a few minutes powering a country contionously via their info yet they say he could power the country in the context of the long timeframe. I can agree that the 2-3 days timeframe might be too much, we could use lower ends like the average sleep time (Around 8 hours) or something like that. 1 second is not correct.

Also, we know that they have been shown 1-3 f Sukuna since he is one of the pictures shown, which was quite literally living without a heart. They have been shown all these crazy superhuman abilities and its explained to them how sorcerers can produce a shit ton of energy and yet, you can really be so sure that they believe Gojo needs normal rest like any other person? Anyways it’s just based on an assumption.

In the same exact scene where Sukuna lives without a heart he clarifies that a normal sorcerer like Yuji can't. And they would know that Sukuna is a curse using Yuji's body since they'd literally see him turn back right after, which isnt the case for a gojo whos a "normal" jujutsu sorcerer. It isnt explained to them that they can output "a ton" of energy, Kenjaku never says this, they make that conclusion after the recording. I can be sure they aren't thinking Gojo doesn’t need rest at all even if they assume he can rest less than a normal person.

But this is not all, you calculation also considers Gojo to do this with one single attack. Who says Gojo can’t generate energy for an extended period of time and then rest instead of generating all that energy is just one second? Thats another assumption.

Like really, youd just have to run off so many assumptions to make this work, when we only really have a vague statement. In that sense the current calculation works, as its lowballed.

Because that is impossible as, for example, if he wants 3 hours of rest he would need to contionously output (3600 x 3)*2 holow purples for 3 hours straight, just for 3 hours of excess energy so he can take a break. This isnt a low ball its straight up illogical and impossible for Gojo to do this. Gojo straight up has to charge hollow purple in the recordings they see too, do we think this charge takes 0.5 seconds and the output is just another 0.5 so he can contionously do this? The 1 second completely kills the idea of what they are trying to say.


Also as I said, the governament does not measure energy per second. They measure gigawatts per hour (I think its gigawatts, correct me if im wrong) so unless you think this specific US Under secretary has the mind of a calculator the only value he would have is the per hour one. Which would also be a better option (even if I still kinda disagree that gojo can somehow rest, eat and anything in 1 hour) than the illogical, impossible one second.

 

[ElJoaki5]

You take the fact that they have been shown Gojo using hollow purple and not much more and from that you assume they straight up believe that HP would be the only way of getting energy out of Gojo or that they believe HP alone is what could generate all that energy.
Like no, he doesnt need to spam five billion hollow purples. Noone is saying that. And what you're proposing relies on too many assumptions to actually be usable.

And you say its hollow purple scaling to this feat but then want to scale Gojo, Sukuna and even Mahoraga to it in normal AP. Pick a side. They do not scale to Hollow Purple.

Btw count me as a disagree.

 

[Rodriiogo]

You take the fact that they have been shown Gojo using hollow purple and not much more and from that you assume they straight up believe that HP would be the only way of getting energy out of Gojo or that they believe HP alone is what could generate all that energy.
Like no, he doesnt need to spam five billion hollow purples. Noone is saying that. And what you're proposing relies on too many assumptions to actually be usable.

Any other option is him needing to spam five billion blues, which, while more reasonable, is still insane. I already showed how the ONLY two moves they saw from gojo in the recording image we see (Chapter 52) were weak blues that he used on the guy for questioning and hollow purple on hanami. Its either one or the other. And what assumptions am i making exactly? Wouldnt it be more of an assumption to say the US office just somehow thinks gojo's stamina is good enough to output energy every single second (somehow) and that he also somehow knows how many energy they output every single second despite that not being in any normal government data? The 1 second end actually uses way more and more absurd assumptions, they are just hidden by the fact that they arent worded out.

And you say its hollow purple scaling to this feat but then want to scale Gojo, Sukuna and even Mahoraga to it in normal AP. Pick a side. They do not scale to Hollow Purple.

I'd be fine with it, I just said it like that in the main post because the current calc'd is used for gojo's normal AP.

Btw count me as a disagree.

Alright

 

[Rodriiogo]

The 1 second end assumes the under secretary's statements means:
- Gojo can contionously output either blue or purple every single second with no rests or breaks in-between
- Gojo has infinite stamina that allows him to do this over a long timeframe ("A lifetime"), he also doesn't eat, sleep, drink, anything like that in the under secretary's view otherwise a blackout would happen.
- Gojo's output never lowers nor changes at all no matter how much time he keeps doing this (otherwise energy would be inconsistent and flickering)


The time to time energy output purposal (which is basically what im doing) is just:
- Gojo can output blue and purple from time to time (Just a fact)
- Gojo doesn’t have infinite stamina, much less in the eyes of the under secretary who saw sorcerers get tired in minutes, he wouldnt think Gojo can keep outputting seconds of energy for even some minutes
- Gojo would need rests, breaks, eating, sleep time, etc to do it over the long timeframe established (Again, also just a fact)

I genuinely can't see how my end is more absurd than the assumptions the 1 second one is doing to work, it just has the advantage of hiding this issues and quite frankly insane assumptions by just not mentioning them lol

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

That’s not even the context though? The OP alr explained and gave context of the scene

Context being CE when translated to electricity trough unknown means would be able to somehow power an entire nation, the methodology and mechanics of which we have no clue about, nor do we know the assumptions taken or the properties they took into consideration when making this assumption, neither the variables nor how accurate the conclusion given their lack of knowledge on anything CE related, we don't know how Gojo would power it and how the conceptualized energy transfer would be nor how the nation would even use the energy, neither the technology or the theories behind it.

And even ignoring all of that we don't know if the dude simply thought of a perfect hypothetical scenario where Gojo outputs energy every second rather than a purely realistic model where he takes rests and...somehow, does something, and that helps power the nation.

We don't even know what he was thinking about when he said that for that matter.

This is all super iffy.

I have a severe headache currently so i don't want to think more but you get the gist.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Context being CE when translated to electricity trough unknown means would be able to somehow power an entire nation, the methodology and mechanics of which we have no clue about, nor do we know the assumptions taken or the properties they took into consideration when making this assumption, neither the variables nor how accurate the conclusion given their lack of knowledge on anything CE related, we don't know how Gojo would power it and how the conceptualized energy transfer would be nor how the nation would even use the energy, neither the technology or the theories behind it.

I think the safest bet would just be that it works in the same way that normal energy works as the guy himself points out that cursed energy is just energy. But Gojo would just output said energy and it would be stored into a sort of fictional nation-wide grid (since modern grid-scale energy storage systems do store energy, this isn't far fetched) that would be connected to all energy of the entire nation and the grid itself would output said stored energy like a normal grid does afterwards. It's the simplest explanation that doesn't assume any sort of new mechanism that could collapse. (Specially since the energy that a country needs per second varies, even having spikes during peak times in peak seasonal times, so Gojo simply doing the output by himself would require him to somehow adjust the output to the one needed at said time before outputting it every single second which is already as ridiculous as it is.

And even ignoring all of that we don't know if the dude simply thought of a perfect hypothetical scenario where Gojo outputs energy every second rather than a purely realistic model where he takes rests and...somehow, does something, and that helps power the nation.

We don't even know what he was thinking about when he said that for that matter.

This we do know. As the guy himself says they are talking about "energy independence" for a lifetime that would replace every other sort of energy that a country uses. So they are indeed thinking about a realistic change here. If the plan wasn't realistic, the whole idea of "energy indepedence" and replacement is gone.
I would also assume the under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment would know that the method of 1 second is impossible without a scenario where Gojo has complete infinite stamina. The "Outputs energy every second" has uncountable issues that would make it literally impossible for it to be the case. This is a scenario where one choice (output energy every second) is quite literally physically impossible while other is possible.

Also as I pointed out, I know the guy is smart, but unless he literally has a calculator on his brain, he literally wouldn't know how much energy Gojo would require to power a nation for a second as the official measurements for the government is on gigawatts per hour, so the bare minimum even if we ignore the entire narrative with Gojo needing rest, eating, basic necessities is that Gojo can power the country for an hour with his attacks, not per second. (Which would be Smalll-City level). Even if we use the 3 hours that Gojo normally sleeps as a superhuman being as confirmed by Gege as @LaserPrecision pointed out, the result would come out at City level. Whichever way we wanna go, the feat should be nowhere near the current tier of Small town.

 

[Rodriiogo]

How the 1 second end thinks they would have a (somehow) infinite stamina
Gojo outputting energy every second with no rest or anything whatsoever

 

[Arkenis]

Btw, you can remove those two who aren't mods, their vote doesn't count in crts. I think so far it's just Elmo and Pheonks that have disagreed.

 

[Mythic381]

Btw, you can remove those two who aren't mods, their vote doesn't count in crts. I think so far it's just Elmo and Pheonks that have disagreed.

Pretty sure Pheonks is specifically a FC/OC mod, not VSBW.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Btw, you can remove those two who aren't mods, their vote doesn't count in crts. I think so far it's just Elmo and Pheonks that have disagreed.

Edited the two out thanks, dk about Pheonks.

Will wait for more inputs

 

[Legion350]

I'm not a mod, but personally I don't we should use the feat for anything being supporting information. With either calc there are a bunch of assumptions, and we don't have enough context to how they planned to do this or for how long they would need him to provide energy for. In fact, we don't see the full discussion between Kenjaku and the president. Without a timeframe or more details, its unquantifiable. Assuming he could provide 1 year of energy in a second, day, or week is moot without more info. They could very well be discussing getting decades of energy from Gojo, which would completely change the parameters. But either way I don't think it's a good basis for tier him or Sukuna.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I'm not a mod, but personally I don't we should use the feat for anything being supporting information. With either calc there are a bunch of assumptions, and we don't have enough context to how they planned to do this or for how long they would need him to provide energy for. In fact, we don't see the full discussion between Kenjaku and the president. Without a timeframe or more details, its unquantifiable. Assuming he could provide 1 year of energy in a second, day, or week is moot without more info. They could very well be discussing getting decades of energy from Gojo, which would completely change the parameters. But either way I don't think it's a good basis for tier him or Sukuna.

I think the feat itself is fine? The feat itself is currently accepted as valid and had no issues for a long time, there's no holes in the feat itself, Gojo's output is so massive compared to everyone else's that the under secretary says he could power an entire nation on his own as they were talking about energy independency for entire nations. The whole idea of it being "energy independency" already tells you everything specially when they use that in context of "a life time".

The real discussion here at hand is how much he outputs per "attack". Which I'm arguing should be way higher than just "1 second" for the reasons already explained across the thread for the feat to even be logically possible.

 

[Legion350]

I think the feat itself is fine? The feat itself is currently accepted as valid and had no issues for a long time, there's no holes in the feat itself, Gojo's output is so massive compared to everyone else's that the under secretary says he could power an entire nation on his own as they were talking about energy independency for entire nations. The whole idea of it being "energy independency" already tells you everything specially when they use that in context of "a life time".

The real discussion here at hand is how much he outputs per "attack". Which I'm arguing should be way higher than just "1 second" for the reasons already explained across the thread for the feat to even be logically possible.

The math of the calc is only accepted but only as a supplementary feat. We don't use to scale anyone, and currently no one right relies on it for their tier.

 

[Rodriiogo]

The math of the calc is only accepted but only as a supplementary feat. We don't use to scale anyone, and currently no one right relies on it for their tier.

I don't see an issue on it being a main feat really not gonna lie. It's not like Gojo and Sukuna being city-mountain level via something like this is inconsistent with the rest of the verse due to how the story itself treats them so much above everyone so we can't even call it a outlier or anything like that.

I do agree that supporting calculations at said level would be nice and make the tier "stronger" (as in more easily defendable) but it's not like scaling a character off a singular feat above their others is someting absurd. It's constantly done on the wiki aslong as it isn't inconsistent.

 

[Arkenis]

I don't see an issue on it being a main feat really not gonna lie. It's not like Gojo and Sukuna being city-mountain level via something like this is inconsistent with the rest of the verse due to how the story itself treats them so much above everyone so we can't even call it a outlier or anything like that.

I do agree that supporting calculations at said level would be nice and make the tier "stronger" (as in more easily defendable) but it's not like scaling a character off a singular feat above their others is someting absurd. It's constantly done on the wiki aslong as it isn't inconsistent.

No one is arguing about the result. It's the way you're arguing for this feat. In a roundabout way, you've done more harm for this feat than good cuz I literally never seen people say the feat's unusable until now lmao.

 

[Legion350]

I don't see an issue on it being a main feat really not gonna lie. It's not like Gojo and Sukuna being city-mountain level via something like this is inconsistent with the rest of the verse due to how the story itself treats them so much above everyone so we can't even call it a outlier or anything like that.

I do agree that supporting calculations at said level would be nice and make the tier "stronger" (as in more easily defendable) but it's not like scaling a character off a singular feat above their others is someting absurd. It's constantly done on the wiki aslong as it isn't inconsistent.

Let me be clear, it's not the tier I have an issue with. Gojo and Sukuna being 7-A or higher is not the absurd part. My problem I don't agree with using a calc to set their tier that requires so many assumptions. Here's what we don't know:

how long they could power their country for with energy extracted by Gojo, how long they thought they could keep draining his energy without him resting, how long they thought they would need to keep Gojo contained to achieve their goal.

If we don't know any of those things, then it doesn't make sense to use that to set their tier whether I think it's an outlier or not.

 

[Rodriiogo]

No one is arguing about the result. It's the way you're arguing for this feat. In a roundabout way, you've done more harm for this feat than good cuz I literally never seen people say the feat's unusable until now lmao.

I think it's just because the feat would be used as the main way and people don't like that ig. Cause I still haven't realised the issue with any part of my argument

 

[Arkenis]

I think it's just because the feat would be used as the main way and people don't like that ig. Cause I still haven't realised the issue with any part of my argument

Yeah you haven't realized it because you're set in arguing the higher interpretation, a commonly done thing in powerscaling so I ain't saying it's you personally. We've all told you the issue is the way you've gone about getting the time is not proven/reasonable and you've randomly concluded its Purple that's being used as a measurement when its not stated.

I think someone said it, but we don't know what Kenjaku actually showed them. Instead he's likely shown them so much that Cyrus came to his conclusion based on an assortment of random facts and discussions Mechamaru would've recorded, like people constantly glazing Gojo. So to make the feat somewhat usable, we go for the lowest evidence-required but more acceptable interpretation than loading things we can't prove like what Cyrus is exactly deriving his statement from.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

I think the safest bet would just be that it works in the same way that normal energy works as the guy himself points out that cursed energy is just energy. But Gojo would just output said energy and it would be stored into a sort of fictional nation-wide grid (since modern grid-scale energy storage systems do store energy, this isn't far fetched) that would be connected to all energy of the entire nation and the grid itself would output said stored energy like a normal grid does afterwards. It's the simplest explanation that doesn't assume any sort of new mechanism that could collapse. (Specially since the energy that a country needs per second varies, even having spikes during peak times in peak seasonal times, so Gojo simply doing the output by himself would require him to somehow adjust the output to the one needed at said time before outputting it every single second which is already as ridiculous as it is.


This we do know. As the guy himself says they are talking about "energy independence" for a lifetime that would replace every other sort of energy that a country uses. So they are indeed thinking about a realistic change here. If the plan wasn't realistic, the whole idea of "energy indepedence" and replacement is gone.

this assumes he meant it would replace every energy on the planet rather than it simply being the cleanest energy alternative, which is where the many variables come into play.

Regardless of how realistic and accurate the conceptualization of the plan based on the data they had, the method of extraction itself(which is quite dubious in its own way), how it translates to electricity and how efficient CE would be without someone controlling it or without it powering a cursed technique are all unknown

we're also assuming a 1 to 1 translation to AP and combat feats trough this without any real basis when pouring more CE into a technique isn't always a sign of higher power or output.


I really don't want to think much currently, very bad headache, i can see you put a lot of thought into this, and you have very reasonable assumptions and intepretations, but at best i can see a "possibly" rating for this i guess?

Welp, wanted to reply better, but it is what it is,

 

[Rodriiogo]

Before I answer anything I wanna ask something. I was looking at the current translation that I was using, and it was the viz's one which is known for shifting context because of how awful the translator is (John Werry )

I went to the fan-translations and found out that the translation they use is this one:

"Even ignoring the country (talking about the gojo powering up feat), maybe each person could generate enough energy... to cover what they consume in a lifetime!!"

In this translation, it makes my interpretation not an "assumption". As normal sorcerers can produce enough cursed energy to cover what they consume of regular energy in their entire lifetime. This makes it even more self-evident that they are talking about it in a long timeframe with each attack/output. I'm unsure about the translation so here's the raw if anyone can find out cause I don't trust myself with translations.

That to say if said fan-translation is more reliable wouldn't the "assumptions" I did, no longer be assumptions?? (That to ask if it wouldn't make the end even more baseline than the physically impossible 1 second one?)

 

[Rodriiogo]

how long they could power their country for with energy extracted by Gojo, how long they thought they could keep draining his energy without him resting, how long they thought they would need to keep Gojo contained to achieve their goal.

If we don't know any of those things, then it doesn't make sense to use that to set their tier whether I think it's an outlier or not.

The intent is that Gojo does indeed would do it over the lifetime idea (the translation I sent now would support that further but eitherway I already proved that even with the current translation), the statement is that he alone can handle the power needs of an entire country. I don't think that can be switched really.

And to answer those questions I think the point I'm trying to make is, it's more reasonable to simply use what we know that they know, they saw stuff like the kyoko goodwill event and the fearsome womb arc, so they do have a good read on the average sorcerer's stamina. And they know that they still have basic human necessities. So they would at the VERY LEAST think of that. I would agree that 2-3 days might be a stretch, I'm fine with changing the timeframe aslong as it doesn't stay in a literal one second.

I understand your issue with using this feat as the entire tier scale for them, and I would like other feats to support it aswell yea, my thread is working on the way the current wiki accepts the feat as, there's ways of changing the way we take the feat, but the 1 second one is one that just... shouldn't be used at all.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Yeah you haven't realized it because you're set in arguing the higher interpretation, a commonly done thing in powerscaling so I ain't saying it's you personally. We've all told you the issue is the way you've gone about getting the time is not proven/reasonable and you've randomly concluded its Purple that's being used as a measurement when its not stated.

I'm not really trying to go for the highest interpretation, I already clarified I'm fine with changing the timeframe to stuff like even the 3 hours that that Laser brought up (time that Gojo sleeps), my issue is entirely on how the 1 second end is completely absurd, nonsensical and physically impossible. It's too many issues to currently be accepted on the wiki. Even if I agree with the feat, the feat would be better wiped out than using 1 second .

Sure fine my time is not reasonable, I'm fine with changing it for a lower one, it's just a matter of "Gojo has at the very least basic human necessities". He needs to eat, he needs to sleep,the 1 second doesn't work. Anything else would be better really.

And I said it's purple or blue. As those are the attacks they saw. It's not about it being "stated", it's literally the things they saw Gojo use. Unless they saw something out of the story and Kenjaku pulled out Gojo using output while taking a bath or something then it was from one of those attacks. I said purple is the more reasonable interpretation because it's literally the highest output they saw. I'm taking the "Lowest" interpretation here since I'm saying the feat only scales to Gojo's strongest attack.

I think someone said it, but we don't know what Kenjaku actually showed them. Instead he's likely shown them so much that Cyrus came to his conclusion based on an assortment of random facts and discussions Mechamaru would've recorded, like people constantly glazing Gojo. So to make the feat somewhat usable, we go for the lowest evidence-required but more acceptable interpretation than loading things we can't prove like what Cyrus is exactly deriving his statement from.

We do see an image of it and the context is that Mechamaru recorded it so it's from his perspective. Said perspective that literally allows him to see cursed energy, he literally does this against Panda where he's able to see where cursed energy was densest inside Panda and tell it was the biggest concentration of it. Mechamaru's perspective is what allows them to make those results of Gojo's and the other's output. Not from glaze or random facts/discussions as they probably didn't even see that considering Kenjaku wanted to show them the Sorcerers and Spirits in action, not yapping around

 

[Rodriiogo]

this assumes he meant it would replace every energy on the planet rather than it simply being the cleanest energy alternative, which is where the many variables come into play.

He right after clarifies the plan is abducting and using them for their own energy, even calling it "energy independence". So that's indeed what he meant.

Regardless of how realistic and accurate the conceptualization of the plan based on the data they had, the method of extraction itself(which is quite dubious in its own way), how it translates to electricity and how efficient CE would be without someone controlling it or without it powering a cursed technique are all unknown

Their data isn't really dubious considering it comes from Mechamaru's perspective who, as I said, can quite literally see said cursed energy and it's concentrations fully even when inside Panda's doll body. So the way they got their data is from Mechamaru recording and sensing cursed energy from Gojo's attacks. And I don't think the way it translates is really a bother. As it would match it in joules conversion regardless which is what we use for AP values.

we're also assuming a 1 to 1 translation to AP and combat feats trough this without any real basis when pouring more CE into a technique isn't always a sign of higher power or output.

Yea because that's how CE output works. Their Output = Their AP. Gojo's attacks got weaker the moment his output weakened during the Sukuna fight, to a more direct example with Gojo himself, so yea.

I really don't want to think much currently, very bad headache, i can see you put a lot of thought into this, and you have very reasonable assumptions and intepretations, but at best i can see a "possibly" rating for this i guess?

All good, dw about it, hope your headache gets better man.
I could agree with a possibly really, all I want is that 1 second end wiped from existence for a better one due to how awful of a way it is

 

[KingTempest]

1 KT of TNT

1 KingTempest of TNT

 

[Arkenis]

I'm not really trying to go for the highest interpretation, I already clarified I'm fine with changing the timeframe to stuff like even the 3 hours that that Laser brought up (time that Gojo sleeps), my issue is entirely on how the 1 second end is completely absurd, nonsensical and physically impossible. It's too many issues to currently be accepted on the wiki. Even if I agree with the feat, the feat would be better wiped out than using 1 second .

Sure fine my time is not reasonable, I'm fine with changing it for a lower one, it's just a matter of "Gojo has at the very least basic human necessities". He needs to eat, he needs to sleep,the 1 second doesn't work. Anything else would be better really.

And I said it's purple or blue. As those are the attacks they saw. It's not about it being "stated", it's literally the things they saw Gojo use. Unless they saw something out of the story and Kenjaku pulled out Gojo using output while taking a bath or something then it was from one of those attacks. I said purple is the more reasonable interpretation because it's literally the highest output they saw. I'm taking the "Lowest" interpretation here since I'm saying the feat only scales to Gojo's strongest attack.


We do see an image of it and the context is that Mechamaru recorded it so it's from his perspective. Said perspective that literally allows him to see cursed energy, he literally does this against Panda where he's able to see where cursed energy was densest inside Panda and tell it was the biggest concentration of it. Mechamaru's perspective is what allows them to make those results of Gojo's and the other's output. Not from glaze or random facts/discussions as they probably didn't even see that considering Kenjaku wanted to show them the Sorcerers and Spirits in action, not yapping around

 

[Rodriiogo]

 

[Arkenis]

 

[Rodriiogo]

Serious question tho what's wrong with what I said there

 

[Mythic381]

What are y'all even cooking anymore

 

[Rodriiogo]

What are y'all even cooking anymore

I am just waiting for counters/arguments, I have nothing else to say really lol, already replied to everything

 

[ElJoaki5]

You've already gotten some staff commenting here and they all didnt like your thread for the same reason. You can wait for more I guess but realistically this thread isnt going through man.

 

[Mythic381]

You've already gotten some staff commenting here and they all didnt like your thread for the same reason. You can wait for more I guess but realistically this thread isnt going through man.

Isn't the calculation not even used anyways?

 

[Mommyleona]

Isn't the calculation not even used anyways?

its a supporting calc that isnt used currently yeah

 

[AyOgUyS]

someone give a tldr because I'm lost