Gojo powering a nation Re-Do

[Sammy818]

someone give a tldr because I'm lost

Gojo(op) vs the king of curses and his shikigami

 

[AyOgUyS]

Gojo(op) vs the king of curses and his shikigami

So...OP is cooking? In this case, I agree with OP for now unless a more accurate tldr is provided

 

[Buraqibear]

So...OP is cooking? In this case, I agree with OP for now unless a more accurate tldr is provided

OP argues that the government officials don't know about the six eyes and Gojo's practically limitless stamina so they think he'd have to rest for 48 hour and 72 hour periods and produce excess energy beforehand to account for the time he's resting to power the country forever. Main argument against it is that's too many assumptions.

 

[AyOgUyS]

the government officials don't know about the six eyes and Gojo's practically limitless stamina

I mean that's probably true I don't remember Kenjaku ever actually explaining shi

so they think he'd have to rest for 48 hour and 72 hour periods

that feels so wrong to me

Main argument against it is that's too many assumptions.

Eh, I personally don't think so except maybe the timeframe should be changed

Waiting for more arguments to pop up :/

 

[Mythic381]

its a supporting calc that isnt used currently yeah

Skill issue then, who cares about tis

 

[Mythic381]

OP argues that the government officials don't know about the six eyes and Gojo's practically limitless stamina so they think he'd have to rest for 48 hour and 72 hour periods and produce excess energy beforehand to account for the time he's resting to power the country forever. Main argument against it is that's too many assumptions.

Technically speaking here, even if we argue Gojo would need to rest for the specific statement to make sense, he'd upscale from it anyways, as he'd actually be able to output the energy for longer periods of time, even if the government official didn't know

 

[Rodriiogo]

Technically speaking here, even if we argue Gojo would need to rest for the specific statement to make sense, he'd upscale from it anyways, as he'd actually be able to output the energy for longer periods of time, even if the government official didn't know

Exactly my point on why the 1 second shouldn't be used regardless, thank you

 

[Rodriiogo]

So...OP is cooking? In this case, I agree with OP for now unless a more accurate tldr is provided

To give a more accurate and complete TLDR:

The issue
My point is that the current calculation assumes Gojo outputs energy continously non-stop without any type of rest or breaks, this is illogical within the context of the statement as the person doing said statemement:

• Has no knowledge on Gojo at all, including six-eyes and stuff
• Has seen the stamina of sorcerers only last minutes when outputting cursed energy
• Has only seen and analyzed Gojo use two attacks through the entire recordings.
• Is planning a complete energy independence for a lifetime. And says it's possible with the data they have. Gojo, who he himself says has the highest and is above the others powering an entire country wouldn't even give 1% of what they need lol.

Saying that with this ^ he assumes Gojo would be able to handle the power needs for an entire country for a long time is completely ridiculous.

Even more points on why the 1 second end is just blatantly wrong:

• Gojo needs rest, even with six-eyes. Infinity is not an example of Gojo being able to "do it without any rest" because it literally fries his brain and he has to constantly use RCT to preserve it. He would be unable to do the same with high output attacks. So Gojo would need to output energy to power the country for longer than a second so he can have rest moments.
• The energy "In a second" varies. At peak times during peak seasonal energy consumption-time, the energy per second on countries sky-rocket into higher than normal. And when not on it, they'd be at a lower energy per-second. And the energy itself changes every single second of every year. For gojo to be the one to outputting energy every second he'd have to somehow KNOW how much energy is required in that exact second and charge his attack JUST ENOUGH to not overwhelm any energy in the country or cause a blackout due to overwhelming it.
• The person doing said statement (under secretary of the U.S Office of energy and enviroment) has no knowledge on energy/per second of countries. He is knowledgable on the energy consumption of countries? Yes he is, but the government doesn't take their data in watts per second or anything like that but gigawatts per hour. The under secretary via his data would only know the average how much energy a country needs every hour, not every second.

My solution
In the current calculation that I did I used the power needed to power the country for 48-72 hours (2-3 days). This is because that's said to be the average time a person would need for a complete rest after strength training (which should be at least simillar to OUTPUTTING COUNTRY LEVEL POWERING ENERGY), however I'm fine with also using low-ends like an hour (via the last point on the "More points" section above), 3 hours (via Gege literally stating Gojo sleeps for 3 hours) or 1 day (simple low ball for the 48-72 hours)

Would this be a perfect result? Probably not. But it would be way closer to what the narrative and the statements are saying that the non-sense, physically impossible end that is "1 second".

 

[Rodriiogo]

The TLDR above should explain my point fully to anyone else that is lost.

As for the moderators's point tldr just wait for any of them to explain ig. Cause even I myself don't get their reason. They claimed on me using too many "assumptions" as if 1 second one doesnt make a higher number and a higher absurdity level of assumptions for it to work (along with straight up ignoring the narrative and statements themselves)

 

[Rodriiogo]

No offense to any moderators on the above btw sorry if it came out as arrogant or rude, I just seriously don't get it

It felt like we are just denying the stuff for the sake of the feat being lower because we don't want it to be higher for any reason.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Skill issue then, who cares about tis

Just to be clear, the calculation is currently accepted and used, just not as a main feat. You can see that in the verse's page:

It's used as a supporting calculation because no one scales off that calculation as both Gojo and Sukuna have better feats than the current result of the calc.

So the calc is "used", just not as a main thing due to how the three that would scale scale to it have better values on other feats currently. If the calc had a higher value then it wouldn't simply be supporting anymore.

 

[Buraqibear]

I think you just botched the execution otherwise this has some solid ground. I think it should be handled in another CRT or maybe a cgm discussion instead for now

 

[Arkenis]

No offense to any moderators on the above btw sorry if it came out as arrogant or rude, I just seriously don't get it

It felt like we are just denying the stuff for the sake of the feat being lower because we don't want it to be higher for any reason.

It's not about Gojo being tier 2 or 4 or 3, its about if the calculation makes sense and is grounded in something tangible from the manga.

So far the only thing you've proven is that Gojo can power a nation. What you can't do, is argue extra steps, you've already made an extra assumption where we now have to assume what Cyrus might have gotten his reasoning from. Is it just Gojo fighting? Is it Gojo's domain? Was it Gojo's Blue, his Red or his Purple? Maybe Mechamaru recorded convos involving Gojo and from that Cyrus figured he could power a nation.

Then you argue that Cyrus isn't going off of per second, but instead going off of the time it takes to be fully rested. You've already admitted this timeframe isn't good, so the calc now needs something different. LaserPrecision suggested the time Gojo usually takes to sleep being 3hrs, but this is still not arguing anything because it's only a further assumption where you think Cyrus took into account Gojo's need to sleep/rest.

The 1s is the most reasonable because it doesn't assert Gojo is doing this for long periods, it calculates how much energy Gojo could output every second within a day.

Just to be clear, the calculation is currently accepted and used, just not as a main feat. You can see that in the verse's page:

It's used as a supporting calculation because no one scales off that calculation as both Gojo and Sukuna have better feats than the current result of the calc.

So the calc is "used", just not as a main thing due to how the three that would scale scale to it have better values on other feats currently. If the calc had a higher value then it wouldn't simply be supporting anymore.

Used means on profiles. No one has that on profile for good reason.

 

[LaserPrecision]

because it's only a further assumption where you think Cyrus took into account Gojo's need to sleep/rest.

If you ask me, Occam's razor actually favors assuming Cyrus does take into account Gojo's need to rest. Humans need to sleep, Gojo is a human (Albeit a super one). It seems obvious people would consider a need to sleep despite him being an exceptional human. A human is still a human. You'd need to prove Cyrus assumes Gojo doesn't need any rest.

This isn't to say I agree with the CRT, but assuming Cyrus doesn't consider Gojo has to rest is silly.

Personally I think the absolute lowest conservative assumption that could be made is that Gojo provides 24 hours of energy in 21 hours. Which Gives him 3 hours to sleep, wake up, and then get straight back to powering the country. A safer end is assuming a normal amount of time to rest since we don't know what Cyrus knows and were given no implication he knows Gojo's sleeping habits. Meaning 8 hours of rest. Meaning he'd provide 24 hours of energy in 16 hours. That's my take anyways. I don't really care what happens to this feat either way.

 

[Rodriiogo]

It's not about Gojo being tier 2 or 4 or 3, its about if the calculation makes sense and is grounded in something tangible from the manga.

The calculation I made (other than the timeframe) takes everything directly from the manga's statements and showings.

So far the only thing you've proven is that Gojo can power a nation. What you can't do, is argue extra steps, you've already made an extra assumption where we now have to assume what Cyrus might have gotten his reasoning from. Is it just Gojo fighting? Is it Gojo's domain? Was it Gojo's Blue, his Red or his Purple? Maybe Mechamaru recorded convos involving Gojo and from that Cyrus figured he could power a nation.

What assumption? We know what he got it from? He got it from recordings of Gojo and other sorcerers in action, this is something that the CURRENT CALC also uses as it's pretty evidently the case that the conclusion came from Gojo's attacks. That being whatever option you wanna pick. It doesn't really matter, all we know is that it's from his attacks. I said hollow purple was what I considered the most reasonable, not what is for sure the case, and this doesn't affect the calc's value at all.

Also trying to argue he got it from a conversation is kinda insane when... you know.. the president and everyone around them watched it and didn't get the conclusion until the under secretary said it (As the under secretary would be the one that actually knows the values for energy), the president himself is also SHOCKED upon hearing the under secretary say that. Unless you think they just covered their ears when that happened other than the under secretary or kenjaku just whispered it to him lol.

Then you argue that Cyrus isn't going off of per second, but instead going off of the time it takes to be fully rested. You've already admitted this timeframe isn't good, so the calc now needs something different. LaserPrecision suggested the time Gojo usually takes to sleep being 3hrs, but this is still not arguing anything because it's only a further assumption where you think Cyrus took into account Gojo's need to sleep/rest.

And I say reasons as to why logically he literally physically can't go off a second if

• Logically he doesn't even have info on how much per second, and he doesn't have a calculator on his head to do that. Government data, as I said uses hour values.
• And he has 2 braincells I'd assume, we are talking about a high rank role in the US government and we are saying that he just for some reason thinks that just because Gojo can output 1 second of energy with one attack he would help with COMPLETE ENERGY INDEPENDENCE FOR A LIFETIME? What type of under secretary is this one? A child?
• I would say that Cyrus that saw with his own two eyes the sorcerers getting tired after minutes of outputting energy would NOT forget the fact that they have a stamina unless he has a severe case of dementia. Why would he think Gojo outputs high level CE for more than some minutes too? Isn't this an assumption... from you instead of using what we know that he knows?

The 1s is the most reasonable because it doesn't assert Gojo is doing this for long periods, it calculates how much energy Gojo could output every second within a day.

Okay so let me turn this on you:

• Why are you assuming Cyrus even knows how many energy he needs per second, government doesn't have this data as they measure it in hours.
• Why are you ignoring the point that Cyrus thinks energy independece for a lifetime is possibly because of this? Do you think he's wrong? If so, why assume that?
• Why would you assume Cyrus got any more information outside of the recordings? Does any part of the manga support this? Occam's razor would not favor you here man, why would the most simplest and logical assumption be this one?
• Where did you get the idea that Gojo can output the energy from his attacks every second again? Is this another unsupported assumption from the 1 second end that makes no sense on how Gojo uses his attacks? (Yes)

I could go on but I want you to be sure that you agree with the fact that this is just SOME of the assumptions that are needed for the 1 second to work consistently with what the manga shows. Do you think this is more "reasonable" and "less" assumptions than simply "gojo attacks gives energy for long time so he can do it constantly even if not continuously"?

Used means on profiles. No one has that on profile for good reason.

Yea I elaborated on that. The calc is still used, and the "good reason" that it isn't used right now is... they have better feats so why use it? lol

 

[Rodriiogo]

I think you just botched the execution otherwise this has some solid ground. I think it should be handled in another CRT or maybe a cgm discussion instead for now

I do think I could have explained some parts better in the beginning yes, at least it hasn't been that terrible for my first thread. I expected worse in the beginning tbf

Though I do think I am explaning it well enough now I hope

 

[Buraqibear]

I do think I could have explained some parts better in the beginning yes, at least it hasn't been that terrible for my first thread. I expected worse in the beginning tbf

better than my first attempt lmao

 

[Arkenis]

If you ask me, Occam's razor actually favors assuming Cyrus does take into account Gojo's need to rest. Humans need to sleep, Gojo is a human (Albeit a super one). It seems obvious people would consider a need to sleep despite him being an exceptional human. A human is still a human. You'd need to prove Cyrus assumes Gojo doesn't need any rest.

Occam isn't helping here. You guys don't understand you're adding an assumption here, Cyrus never implies anything about rest, you just assumed it to be in his mind just cause.

The calculation I made (other than the timeframe) takes everything directly from the manga's statements and showings.

Edit: The timeframe is what you need gang. You don't have it, you already said its not a good one.

What assumption? We know what he got it from? He got it from recordings of Gojo and other sorcerers in action, this is something that the CURRENT CALC also uses as it's pretty evidently the case that the conclusion came from Gojo's attacks. That being whatever option you wanna pick. It doesn't really matter, all we know is that it's from his attacks. I said hollow purple was what I considered the most reasonable, not what is for sure the case, and this doesn't affect the calc's value at all.

You literally argued how it could be Purple, I'm saying its not reasonable at all. And if it isn't, then all we can go off is 1s which is regular attacks.

Also trying to argue he got it from a conversation is kinda insane when... you know.. the president and everyone around them watched it and didn't get the conclusion until the under secretary said it (As the under secretary would be the one that actually knows the values for energy), the president himself is also SHOCKED upon hearing the under secretary say that. Unless you think they just covered their ears when that happened other than the under secretary or kenjaku just whispered it to him lol.

Makes no sense. Because everyone didn't immediately say it at the same time so him putting it together from a convo is insane to you? Did you read where it says UNDERSECRETARY FOR THE US OFFICE OF ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT No duh he's the guy who came to such a conclusion.

• Logically he doesn't even have info on how much per second, and he doesn't have a calculator on his head to do that. Government data, as I said uses hour values.
• And he has 2 braincells I'd assume, we are talking about a high rank role in the US government and we are saying that he just for some reason thinks that just because Gojo can output 1 second of energy with one attack he would help with COMPLETE ENERGY INDEPENDENCE FOR A LIFETIME? What type of under secretary is this one? A child?
• I would say that Cyrus that saw with his own two eyes the sorcerers getting tired after minutes of outputting energy would NOT forget the fact that they have a stamina unless he has a severe case of dementia. Why would he think Gojo outputs high level CE for more than some minutes too? Isn't this an assumption... from you instead of using what we know that he knows?

Unknown footage adds doubt to your first point.
Second point I've gone over already, Gojo's statement is not connected to the lifetime statement. Both are separate conclusions based on what he's seen.
Third point is as pointless as your second. The Gojo statement isn't about all sorcerers, clearly Gojo stands out for particular reasons, I wonder what could've possibly gotten Cyrus to such a conclusion.

• Why are you assuming Cyrus even knows how many energy he needs per second, government doesn't have this data as they measure it in hours.
• Why are you ignoring the point that Cyrus thinks energy independece for a lifetime is possibly because of this? Do you think he's wrong? If so, why assume that?
• Why would you assume Cyrus got any more information outside of the recordings? Does any part of the manga support this? Occam's razor would not favor you here man, why would the most simplest and logical assumption be this one?
• Where did you get the idea that Gojo can output the energy from his attacks every second again? Is this another unsupported assumption from the 1 second end that makes no sense on how Gojo uses his attacks? (Yes)

It isn't assuming Cyrus knows. It's a general calc about the energy a country uses and then dividing it by timeframes and then going per second for how much energy Gojo would output in short timeframes.

Same as above, Cyrus's independence claim is a general claim not solely about Gojo, and he says why, he tells us his reasoning is because of how their brain literally defies science and how they need research samples to figure it out. You're too bought into your interpretation you aren't seeing this part as talking about sorcerers biologically not about Gojo.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm saying there's too much we don't know and thus you trying to argue for anything beyond 1s is not usable.

The fact Gojo can constantly use Infinity for an entire day.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Occam isn't helping here. You guys don't understand you're adding an assumption here, Cyrus never implies anything about rest, you just assumed it to be in his mind just cause.

Yes, because assuming a human needs to sleep is an established fact. You are simply hiding your assumption that Cyrus is implying he can perform the feat WITHOUT rest. That is an assumption in and of itself. And it requires more assumptions than assuming otherwise.

 

[Arkenis]

Yes, because assuming a human needs to sleep is an established fact. You are simply hiding your assumption that Cyrus is implying he can perform the feat WITHOUT rest. That is an assumption in and of itself. And it requires more assumptions than assuming otherwise.

A regular human needs sleep, he has no knowledge about Gojo except he's superhuman. That's not an assumption that Cyrus is implying anything, that's me saying it's better to not try slapping on arbitrary times because you think Cyrus thinks a certain way so that means this certain number is reasonable.
You guys are forgetting the context, Cyrus says how they need to get research samples to do tests, why would you believe he thinks anything if he's blatantly saying we need to find stuff out about sorcerers?

 

[Avaritia_603]

Agreed, I love the creativity and how you drew the conclusion from what you presented one of the better arguments I've seen on here

 

[LaserPrecision]

A regular human needs sleep, he has no knowledge about Gojo except he's superhuman. That's not an assumption that Cyrus is implying anything, that's me saying it's better to not try slapping on arbitrary times because you think Cyrus thinks a certain way so that means this certain number is reasonable.
You guys are forgetting the context, Cyrus says how they need to get research samples to do tests, why would you believe he thinks anything if he's blatantly saying we need to find stuff out about sorcerers?

I already addressed the superhuman tidbit above. I already said I'm fine not assuming a specific time, but assuming he thinks Gojo doesn't sleep at all because he's superhuman is asinine. Superhuman doesn't mean machine, and even then machines eventually need a rest unless the machine in question is a perpetual motion machine. He's still looking at a human regardless. Any scientist worth their salt wouldn't assume they require zero rest, let alone a government official.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Occam isn't helping here. You guys don't understand you're adding an assumption here, Cyrus never implies anything about rest, you just assumed it to be in his mind just cause.

Or... cause he's a normal human being that also saw sorcerers get tired after minutes? Why are you assuming he'd think Gojo is different? I don't know what you mean man I already said my reasoning.
Our solution is that he has no reason to believe gojo has infinite stamina (which he would indeed be implying via your interepretaion as, I said, he says the energy independence is possible because of the data they got, so the gojo example is not something gojo simply "could" do. It's something they plan to do)
And since you loved bolding the word "could" as if that made any point let me tell you, even if I'm not good at translating, the wording in japanese is: 賄えます which means "can supply/cover" a even more direct wording that is straight up telling you that he is implying it that gojo can actually do it. Not "could".
Eitherway that out of the way, you are just hiding your own assumption. You are assuming Cyrus gojo thinks doesn't sleep NOR GET TIRED at all which is illogical as hell and unsupported, IT GETS NEGATIVELY SUPPORTED by the fact that he has seen other "superhuman beings" get tired in the recordings.

Edit: The timeframe is what you need gang. You don't have it, you already said its not a good one.

We can use reasonable timeframes then via what we know that he knows? It's not hard and this isn't making an "assumption" It's using the bare minimum via what he knows. Assuming he knows more would be the actual unreasonable end when nothing supports that idea.

You literally argued how it could be Purple, I'm saying its not reasonable at all. And if it isn't, then all we can go off is 1s which is regular attacks.

I did indeed say it could be purple, but did you read the full context? I was showing how the only attacks that Gojo uses in the recording that we know they saw are Blue and Purple. And between those purple would be more reasonable, if u wanna use regular output that's fine. 1 second is still not reasonable via all other reasons I mentioned lol.

Makes no sense. Because everyone didn't immediately say it at the same time so him putting it together from a convo is insane to you? Did you read where it says UNDERSECRETARY FOR THE US OFFICE OF ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT No duh he's the guy who came to such a conclusion.

I think you didn't get the point. YOU tried to say he could have gotten information from somewhere else a conversation or Kenjaku, not only is that UNREASONABLE AND A CRAZY ASSUMPTION, it would not make sense because unless the others covered their ears or it was whispered to him, they would have heard the conversation too.

Unknown footage adds doubt to your first point.

Except it's not unknown footage? We know everything Gojo has done and Gege made sure to add a literal showing of a chapter to represent gojo's recording. We saw all of gojo's recordings that they have. And assuming they get it from another off-screen conversation wouldn't work via the above.

Second point I've gone over already, Gojo's statement is not connected to the lifetime statement. Both are separate conclusions based on what he's seen.

In the japanese version he directly connects the two. And I already proved multiple times after that why they are indeed connected and they haven't been answered so idk what u want me to answer you here.

Third point is as pointless as your second. The Gojo statement isn't about all sorcerers, clearly Gojo stands out for particular reasons, I wonder what could've possibly gotten Cyrus to such a conclusion.

...? Yea he got to such a conclusion because he literally saw Gojo output alot of CE in singular attacks unlike the others who don't have as much output. He doesn't think Gojo has some special infinite stamina because of that...? What??? The whole special thing about Gojo is that he has a incredibly CE output compared to everyone else so he's special for the energy independence as the others can't output as much energy.

It isn't assuming Cyrus knows. It's a general calc about the energy a country uses and then dividing it by timeframes and then going per second for how much energy Gojo would output in short timeframes.

Yea... "general calc" so it's removing every part of context that the story gives? Thanks for admitting that the calc is just a general calc for how much a machine would output every second and not Gojo with every factor he has.

Same as above, Cyrus's independence claim is a general claim not solely about Gojo, and he says why, he tells us his reasoning is because of how their brain literally defies science and how they need research samples to figure it out. You're too bought into your interpretation you aren't seeing this part as talking about sorcerers biologically not about Gojo.

エネルギーの自給自足!! 実現すれば一体いくつの問題が解決すると!?
If this becomes reality, imagine how many problems we can solve!! We're talking about energy self-sufficiency!!

The brain statement is the one that's actually unrelated in the raw japanese scans as he says "If this becomes reality" as he's talking about his previous statements about gojo and other sorcerers. He is indeed saying the energy independence is possible even with the current data they have, mainly because of Gojo as we know.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm saying there's too much we don't know and thus you trying to argue for anything beyond 1s is not usable.

I've just showed you that the "1s" end uses even more nonsense interpretations and ignores multiple stuff, so even if you aren't doing it yourself (which tbf you are in some points), just by agreeing with the "1s" you are already agreeing with nonsense assumptions.

The fact Gojo can constantly use Infinity for an entire day.

...It literally fries his brain constantly because of that. The only reason his brain isn't fully fried is because he's applying RCT on his own brain to reverse that strain. He himself explains this man wdym, this doesn't mean him being able to output attacks for an entire day at all because even IF he had enough stamina (he doesn't), he would fry his own brain which is something that happens in the Sukuna fight due to him damaging his own brain with unlimited void during the domain clashes if you forgot. The same would happen if he tried to constantly output his attacks non stop. Infinity by itself already basically fries his brain if he doesn't constantly RCT which would lead to brain damage if he overuses it. Gojo would literally kill himself or at least pass out in like an hour if he tried to do what u all want him to do.

 

[AyOgUyS]

To give a more accurate and complete TLDR:

The issue
My point is that the current calculation assumes Gojo outputs energy continously non-stop without any type of rest or breaks, this is illogical within the context of the statement as the person doing said statemement:

• Has no knowledge on Gojo at all, including six-eyes and stuff
• Has seen the stamina of sorcerers only last minutes when outputting cursed energy
• Has only seen and analyzed Gojo use two attacks through the entire recordings.
• Is planning a complete energy independence for a lifetime. And says it's possible with the data they have. Gojo, who he himself says has the highest and is above the others powering an entire country wouldn't even give 1% of what they need lol.

Saying that with this ^ he assumes Gojo would be able to handle the power needs for an entire country for a long time is completely ridiculous.

This seems fine to me

• Gojo needs rest, even with six-eyes. Infinity is not an example of Gojo being able to "do it without any rest" because it literally fries his brain and he has to constantly use RCT to preserve it. He would be unable to do the same with high output attacks. So Gojo would need to output energy to power the country for longer than a second so he can have rest moments.
  

I am 99% sure Yuta says Gojo can't run out of cursed energy, I recknowledge the US government doesn't know but I'm just saying that this likely isn't true

• The person doing said statement (under secretary of the U.S Office of energy and enviroment) has no knowledge on energy/per second of countries. He is knowledgable on the energy consumption of countries? Yes he is, but the government doesn't take their data in watts per second or anything like that but gigawatts per hour. The under secretary via his data would only know the average how much energy a country needs every hour, not every second.

Yeah no this reasoning is just flawed

In the current calculation that I did I used the power needed to power the country for 48-72 hours (2-3 days). This is because that's said to be the average time a person would need for a complete rest after strength training (which should be at least simillar to OUTPUTTING COUNTRY LEVEL POWERING ENERGY), however I'm fine with also using low-ends like an hour (via the last point on the "More points" section above), 3 hours (via Gege literally stating Gojo sleeps for 3 hours) or 1 day (simple low ball for the 48-72 hours)

Would this be a perfect result? Probably not. But it would be way closer to what the narrative and the statements are saying that the non-sense, physically impossible end that is "1 second".

Hm ok

 

[Rodriiogo]

I am 99% sure Yuta says Gojo can't run out of cursed energy, I recknowledge the US government doesn't know but I'm just saying that this likely isn't true

He does say that. But gojo still needs rest physically, Gege himself confirmed that he sleeps for 3 hours. Although not as much as other beings he still needs basic human necessities. Also constant use of CT (Infinity) damages his own brain to the point he needs to RCT his own brain to prevent it from frying. Mix that with attacks and Gojo would indeed need rest. He's getting his brain fried and dying or passing out on the spot. So yea he needs rest and necessities regardless. I can't seem to find it but will send it if I do, Im pretty sure one of the reasons he can keep rct for so long is that he needs alot of calories. So he also spends time eating alot to regain calories to use RCT.

Yeah no this reasoning is just flawed

You mean mine or the calc's?

 

[Arkenis]

Or... cause he's a normal human being that also saw sorcerers get tired after minutes? Why are you assuming he'd think Gojo is different? I don't know what you mean man I already said my reasoning.
Our solution is that he has no reason to believe gojo has infinite stamina (which he would indeed be implying via your interepretaion as, I said, he says the energy independence is possible because of the data they got, so the gojo example is not something gojo simply "could" do. It's something they plan to do)
And since you loved bolding the word "could" as if that made any point let me tell you, even if I'm not good at translating, the wording in japanese is: 賄えます which means "can supply/cover" a even more direct wording that is straight up telling you that he is implying it that gojo can actually do it. Not "could".
Eitherway that out of the way, you are just hiding your own assumption. You are assuming Cyrus gojo thinks doesn't sleep NOR GET TIRED at all which is illogical as hell and unsupported, IT GETS NEGATIVELY SUPPORTED by the fact that he has seen other "superhuman beings" get tired in the recordings.

That's not an assumption that Cyrus is implying anything, that's me saying it's better to not try slapping on arbitrary times because you think Cyrus thinks a certain way so that means this certain number is reasonable.

We can use reasonable timeframes then via what we know that he knows? It's not hard and this isn't making an "assumption" It's using the bare minimum via what he knows. Assuming he knows more would be the actual unreasonable end when nothing supports that idea.

Reasonable timeframes like what the original calc already does you just disagree with how the energy is gotten.

I did indeed say it could be purple, but did you read the full context? I was showing how the only attacks that Gojo uses in the recording that we know they saw are Blue and Purple. And between those purple would be more reasonable, if u wanna use regular output that's fine. 1 second is still not reasonable via all other reasons I mentioned lol.

It is reasonable because regular ap is generally for energy per second not what you're attempting.

I think you didn't get the point. YOU tried to say he could have gotten information from somewhere else a conversation or Kenjaku, not only is that UNREASONABLE AND A CRAZY ASSUMPTION, it would not make sense because unless the others covered their ears or it was whispered to him, they would have heard the conversation too.

Not elsewhere but in the footage. It's pretty reasonable the guy's job is to manage energy and explore research into energy, would be the only one who pieces the information together.

Except it's not unknown footage? We know everything Gojo has done and Gege made sure to add a literal showing of a chapter to represent gojo's recording. We saw all of gojo's recordings that they have. And from another conversation wouldn't work via the above.

That doesn't mean its the only thing Mechamaru recorded.

In the japanese version he directly connects the two. And I already proved multiple times after that why they are indeed connected and they haven't been answered so idk what u want me to answer you here.

Quote where you showed the japanese version.

...? Yea he got to such a conclusion because he literally saw Gojo output alot of CE in singular attacks unlike the others who don't have as much output. He doesn't think Gojo has some special infinite stamina because of that...? What??? The whole special thing about Gojo is that he has a incredibly CE output compared to everyone else so he's special for the energy indepdence as the others can't output as much energy.

You make it sound even less believable. Cyrus watched videos, saw Gojo do some attacks and decided he can power a nation. And you wanna slap on a timeframe because you think its likely what he had in mind cause he likely considered Gojo needs rest. Just start over man.

Yea... "general calc" so it's removing every part of context that the story gives? Thanks for admitting that the calc is just a general calc for how much a machine would output every second and not Gojo with every factor he has.

Because the story doesn't give much to go off of.

エネルギーの自給自足!! 実現すれば一体いくつの問題が解決すると!?
If this becomes reality, imagine how many problems we can solve!! We're talking about energy self-sufficiency!!

The brain statement is the one that's actually unrelated in the raw japanese scans as he says "If this becomes reality" as he's talking about his previous statements about gojo and other sorcerers. He is indeed saying the energy indepdence is possible even with the current data they have, mainly because of Gojo as we know.

This doesn't prove what you're arguing, you just translated what we already know. The brain statement is to show Cyrus actually doesn't know and wants to do research as that's what he says right after.

I've just showed you that the "1s" end uses even more nonsense interpretations and ignores multiple stuff, so even if you aren't doing it yourself (which tbf you are in some points), just by agreeing with the "1s" you are already agreeing with nonsense assumptions.

Nope it doesn't. But hopefully your next crt or this one gets accepted.

...It literally fries his brain constantly because of that. The only reason his brain isn't fully fried is because he's applying RCT on his own brain to reverse that strain. He himself explains this man wdym, this doesn't mean him being able to output attacks for an entire day at all because even IF he had enough stamina (he doesn't), he would fry his own brain which is something that happens in the Sukuna fight due to him damaging his own brain with unlimited void during the domain clashes if you forgot. The same would happen if he tried to constantly output his attacks non stop. Infinity by itself already basically fries his brain if he doesn't constantly RCT which would lead to brain damage if he overuses it. Gojo would literally kill himself or at least pass out in like an hour if he tried to do what u all want him to do.

Goodluck with the next crt.

 

[LaserPrecision]

over-use of RCT can damage the brain too so yea

That's a result of recovering a burnt out technique via RCT. Not just using RCT in general. Small correction there.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Yea that's just silently assuming that he thinks Gojo has infinite stamina yk? If we were to use the standards and nothing arbitary we would just use the average time the average human has to spend sleeping, eating, resting etc. (which is what I did, funnily enough right)

Reasonable timeframes like what the original calc already does you just disagree with how the energy is gotten.

1 second is not a reasonable timeframe...?

It is reasonable because regular ap is generally for energy per second not what you're attempting.

You already said this before and I will use the same exact thing I said, yes that's the standard for machines or regular powering up feats with nothing else in it. Not when it's someone with human necessities.

Not elsewhere but in the footage. It's pretty reasonable the guy's job is to manage energy and explore research into energy, would be the only one who pieces the information together.

But at that point it would end up the same thing lol. He would still know nothing about Gojo other than his crazy CE output.

That doesn't mean its the only thing Mechamaru recorded.

It's the only thing we can use. So let's not make yk.. assumptions?

Quote where you showed the japanese version.

Here's the raws.
I talked about it here:

Before I answer anything I wanna ask something. I was looking at the current translation that I was using, and it was the viz's one which is known for shifting context because of how awful the translator is (John Werry )

I went to the fan-translations and found out that the translation they use is this one:

"Even ignoring the country (talking about the gojo powering up feat), maybe each person could generate enough energy... to cover what they consume in a lifetime!!"

In this translation, it makes my interpretation not an "assumption". As normal sorcerers can produce enough cursed energy to cover what they consume of regular energy in their entire lifetime. This makes it even more self-evident that they are talking about it in a long timeframe with each attack/output. I'm unsure about the translation so here's the raw if anyone can find out cause I don't trust myself with translations.

That to say if said fan-translation is more reliable wouldn't the "assumptions" I did, no longer be assumptions?? (That to ask if it wouldn't make the end even more baseline than the physically impossible 1 second one?)

You make it sound even less believable. Cyrus watched videos, saw Gojo do some attacks and decided he can power a nation. And you wanna slap on a timeframe because you think its likely what he had in mind cause he likely considered Gojo needs rest. Just start over man.

Yes I assume Cyrus is a sane human being that can make basic human thinking and know that a person would have limited stamina, even a sorcerer.. since he saw that first-hand.

Because the story doesn't give much to go off of.

That doesn't give us a reason to use a literally impossible way just for the sake of keeping the feat """reasonably""" low? Specially when I already showed that the story does give alot of hints

This doesn't prove what you're arguing, you just translated what we already know. The brain statement is to show Cyrus actually doesn't know and wants to do research as that's what he says right after.

The brain is so they could do it without using the sorcerers themselves. He himself elaborates on this. The brain idea is so they could later just not need sorcerers anymore as they would be able to produce it with science and technology after research on it.

Nope it doesn't. But hopefully your next crt or this one gets accepted.

Goodluck with the next crt.

Thanks

 

[Rodriiogo]

That's a result of recovering a burnt out technique via RCT. Not just using RCT in general. Small correction there.

Oh my bad, thanks

 

[Buraqibear]

“Stand proud Arkenis, your anti glaze agenda was strong.”

 

[Rodriiogo]

I can't seem to find it but will send it if I do, Im pretty sure one of the reasons he can keep rct for so long is that he needs alot of calories. So he also spends time eating alot to regain calories to use RCT.

Still can't find the exact image but took this photo myself from the official fanbook since that's where I remember reading it. Gojo needs to eat to stimulate his brain to keep infinity on at all times since he needs to RCT his brain.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Still can't find the exact image but took this photo myself from the official fanbook since that's where I remember reading it. Gojo needs to eat to stimulate his brain to keep infinity on at all times since he needs to RCT his brain.

That to say, gojo cant even keep infinity alone on at all times normally without eating and basic human necessities without frying his brain so even if Cyrus somehow got magic off-screen knowledge about six-eyes (which he obviously doesnt) gojo would still need rest and breaks.

 

[Avaritia_603]

@Rodriiogo not related to the thread but check your message wall

 

[AyOgUyS]

So is ts still alive?

 

[Rodriiogo]

So is ts still alive?

I mean yea it's still here, I'm just waiting for more inputs

 

[AyOgUyS]

I mean yea it's still here, I'm just waiting for more inputs

how many mod votes do we have rn?

 

[Rodriiogo]

how many mod votes do we have rn?

Currently only the disagree from ElJoaki

 

[ElJoaki5]

Currently only the disagree from ElJoaki

My vote doesnt actually skibidi count

 

[Rodriiogo]

My vote doesnt actually skibidi count

Oh mb

So no votes at all

 

[Sammy818]

Didn’t auntie vote no?