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Honkai: Star Rail Aeon of Philosophy Sunday 2

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Well, this is funny. The new update outright confirmed my old CRT but retconned the hell out of the profile.

Sunday's Dominicus key should be outright nuked. Every single bit got retconned by the true ending of Penacony. Sunday should get 2 keys titled False God and Aeon of Philosophy. In the first key he should scale to Hyperverse level, Possibly Low Outerversal level and scaling similarly to other Aeons stats as he incarnated himself as the Aeon of Order Ena THEMSELVES.

In the second key he should scale to Multi-Galaxy level, Hyperverse level with Path of Harmony and Order like the rest of the Emanators due to the combined efforts of Acheron, Jade, Qlipoth's hammer, and several other people destroying all 3 layers of Ena's Dream at the same time in order to strip Sunday from his divinity. He should also get eventually Hyperverse level, Possibly Low Outerversal level as the Aeon of Philosophy/Conquest for the same accepted reason from the previous crt. The new update also revealed that his original intention was to forge the new Path of Conquest and ascend into Aeonhood of said path, with his ultimate attack being retconned into him ascending into Aeonhood instead.

Base Firefly is stated as being a colossal threat to Penacony and too powerful to the point she would instantly be caught by the family if she were to try sneak inside. As such, she should scale to Base Aventurine who isn't even that much of a fighter without his cornerstone.

Firefly should get Imaginary Energy (Propagation) for possessing the Path of Propagation and Limited Plant Manipulation as shown here

Cyrene, Phantylia, and Cocolia should get Imaginary Energy (Harmony) due to being fused with the Stellaron. The Stellaron originated from Xipe, The Harmony.

Argenti should lose all these resistances for never entering the horizon in the first place to save Aventurine

In addition, Firefly should gain all of the resistances above for resisting the Horizon of Existence.

Aventurine and Qlipoth should get summoning and Conceptual Power Nullification OR Modification Type 1, and have his Hyperverse level AP updated to include up to Possibly Low Outerversal level for being comparable to a fellow Ten Stoneheart like Jade who is capable of controlling Qlipoth's hammer to strike at Ena's power and conceptually strip Sunday's Aeonic power on the path level.

Late Penacony Trailblazer should get Imaginary Energy (Finality) and Time Manipulation for using the Path of Finality in order to rewind time to give Firefly a new ending.

Flame Reaver should scale to Khaslana's 1-B and Universal LS stats via Path of Destruction due to possessing the same 400 million coreflames needed to harm Nanook.

Post-Dawn Maker and Khaslana should be combined into one key. Khaslana is just a transformation from Post-Dawn Maker. As such, the merged key will just be Multi-Galaxy level, far higher as Khaslana, Hyperverse level, Possibly Low Outerversal level with Path of Destruction

Post-Fuli Gaze Cyrene, Complete Irontomb, and those with the Cyrene Amp key should scale to Hyperverse level, Possibly Low Outerversal level. Cyrene and Stelle were empowered and gazed upon by both Nous, The Erudition, and Fuli/Cyrene, The Remembrance, in order to defeat Irontomb. Complete Irontomb is also capable of killing the Aeon Nous. Incomplete Irontomb is also merged with Khaslana who at his peak/burst can harm the true form of Nanook THEMSELVES in the path space with Post Fuli Gaze Cyrene and Complete Irontomb being stronger than him. The Anti-Irontomb Cosmic Alliance—an alliance formed by the IPC, Genius Society, Xianzhou Alliance, Planet Screwllum, Herta Space Station, Intelligensia Guild, Asdana Galaxy, The Blue, Doctors of Chaos, Galaxy Rangers and Astral Express were stated to be powerless against Complete Irontomb if it were to ever descend, despite the Cosmic Alliance having dozens of Emanators at their disposal. This includes the Ten Stonehearts from the IPC, who are capable of striking the Aeon of Order Ena and the False God Sunday THEMSELVES by controlling Qlipoth's hammer to a degree. Complete Irontomb is also portrayed as a bigger threat than the False God Sunday THEMSELVES. Despite all this, the combine strength of all the Chrysos Heirs, Cyrene, and the Trailblazer is capable of severely damaging Complete Irontomb.

The Emanators Hyperverse level justification should be reworded due to outdated information. The new justification should be as follows:

(Emanators can draw power from their respective Aeons, unleashing formidable strength far beyond a mere mortal. For example, the Lord Ravager Incomplete Irontomb can destroy the entire universe by drawing power from the Aeon of Destruction, Nanook. As a Scepter formerly used as a Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous, Incomplete Irontomb also surpasses the worthy Scepters that empowered Rubert II to destroy half of the universe with a single thought. Meanwhile, the Emanator of Nihility Acheron, can draw power from the Aeon of Nihility IX to transform, and is capable of destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream. The Lord Ravager Zephyro is also capable of drawing enough power to rupture the entire universe by clashing against the Herrscher of Reason Welt's Star of Eden Zeroth Power: Quasi Black Hole. Additionally, the Emanator of Remembrance Cyrene, can draw enough power to put the entire cosmos into complete statis by freezing the entire universe, bringing upon the 4th finality onto the entire Imaginary Tree)
 
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Man I really need to speed up with my Revisions. Can't let Castorice overcook me with CRTs
 
I agree with everything, but I think flame rever and Khaslana should be separate due to how degraded flame rever was so I'm not sure he would be able to use his abilities to the same level that Khaslana was able to, like he wasn't even able to talk properly
 
I agree with everything, but I think flame rever and Khaslana should be separate due to how degraded flame rever was so I'm not sure he would be able to use his abilities to the same level that Khaslana was able to, like he wasn't even able to talk properly
Technically he is still capable of using all 400 million coreflames for a single burst. Nothing really prevents him from doing that.
 
My GOAT Firefly finally getting an upgrade

Agree with everything except 1-B Flame Reaver
Would a possibly rating work? He does possess the 400 million corefames needed to perform the 1-B level Khaslana himself did. He just rarely use the coreflames in order to not use them all up that quick before the current Khaslana can use them all up against Nanook.

The 400 million coreflame burst is also just a suicide move that lasts like a couple of seconds before the user gets cooked.

 
well im not sure for base firefly, i alr
discussed in gc how she genuenly only fights in mech so i guess she means shes only dangerous because shes a SH but i can elaborate tomorrow since now its 1am and im 6x beer in bcs of slava
☠️
for the rest i agree thats fine
 
Would a possibly rating work? He does possess the 400 million corefames needed to perform the 1-B level Khaslana himself did. He just rarely use the coreflames in order to not use them all up that quick before the current Khaslana can use them all up against Nanook.

The 400 million coreflame burst is also just a suicide move that lasts like a couple of seconds before the user gets cooked.


Technically that version of the Flame Reaver would be missing 12 additional Coreflames from the 33,550,336th Cycle, but I don't know how much of a difference those 12 would really make
 
Technically that version of the Flame Reaver would be missing 12 additional Coreflames from the 33,550,336th Cycle, but I don't know how much of a difference those 12 would really make
Flame reaver is Khaslana who is Phainon so him having 400m coreflames and thus 1-B stats with them is completely fine, i can only see possibly 1-bB since we are not
100% sure if he is willing to use all of coreflames at once but bcs they are all same person (khaslana) its
lowkey fine
 
well im not sure for base firefly, i alr
discussed in gc how she genuenly only fights in mech so i guess she means shes only dangerous because shes a SH but i can elaborate tomorrow since now its 1am and im 6x beer in bcs of slava
☠️
for the rest i agree thats fine
The family doesn't know who the true identity of Stellaron Hunter SAM is so this refers exactly to Base Firefly or else Firefly has negative IQ for entering Penacony with the mech on. The fact that normal Firefly even attempting to force herself into Penacony and getting caught instantly due to being too powerful says enough to atleast scale her to Base Aventurine who isn't even a fighter.

Flame reaver is Khaslana who is Phainon so him having 400m coreflames and thus 1-B stats with them is completely fine, i can only see possibly 1-bB since we are not
100% sure if he is willing to use all of coreflames at once but bcs they are all same person (khaslana) its
lowkey fine
I dont think the possibly rating matters depending on if hes willing to use it or not.

Technically that version of the Flame Reaver would be missing 12 additional Coreflames from the 33,550,336th Cycle, but I don't know how much of a difference those 12 would really make
I dont know if the 12 extra coreflames makes that much of a difference. Probably not.
 
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Just realized Firefly has 3 buffs here. Shafted over Argenti

Also after this crt, Stelle would have

Destruction, Preservation, Harmony, Finality, Remembrance, and Erudition as her Path powers
 
Honestly, I don't know either

His only combat feat is him getting fodderized by Evernight
 
Probs like high pathstrider, even without all the buffs he would have strong mind related hax and abilities
Talking about his physical stats. I found a way to scale Base Firefly and Base Aventurine but not him. Sunday is annoying because he literally didn’t do shit from 3.0 to 3.8 other than like briefly clashing with Evernight before she cooked him
 
Just realized Firefly has 3 buffs here. Shafted over Argenti

Also after this crt, Stelle would have

Destruction, Preservation, Harmony, Finality, Remembrance, and Erudition as her Path powers
Finality was always implied given TB is an ex-stellaron hunter and stellaron hunters walk on the Path of Finality but oh well
 
The family doesn't know who the true identity of Stellaron Hunter SAM is so this refers exactly to Base Firefly or else Firefly has negative IQ for entering Penacony with the mech on. The fact that normal Firefly even attempting to force herself into Penacony and getting caught instantly due to being too powerful says enough to atleast scale her to Base Aventurine who isn't even a fighter.
isnt fighter, one shots stings... 😭
Anyway shes alr revealed to use her mech in penacony when fighting (esp here since she asks why doesnt the mech start when she has to fights bugs), nowhere was she shown fighting in her base at all
Base Firefly cant even fight at all due to entropy loss syndrome. and it affects her even in dreamscape when she dies for the 3rd time.
So like the only genuine reason Silver Wolf would ever consider Firefly dangerous without mech is that Family already knows shes a stellaron hunter so because of that sneaking is not worth it. and that SAM in general is too dangerous in Penacony because of its "Colossal" strength, Base Firefly being this powerful only works if shes ever capable of fighting without mech so ill have to disagree for now (because after this comment hoyo writer will coronate inside my head and then make sure FIrefly actually fights in base no mech just so they can prove me wrong)
also do you even have a scan of family not knowing her indetity? im sure someone like Dreammaster, sunday and other powerful names in penacony would know who she is. They even know who Acheron is and what her power is about.
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Oh right... she does fight.
 
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isnt fighter, one shots stings... 😭
He literally just tosses a poker chip, We even have him accepted as not being that much of a fighter.
Weaknesses: Aventurine was shown to be not much of a fighter without the Aventurine Cornerstone

Anyway shes alr revealed to use her mech in penacony when fighting (esp here since she asks why doesnt the mech start when she has to fights bugs), nowhere was she shown fighting in her base at all
Why is this a disqualifier when her own words says she wants to end it quickly. That doesnt mean she can't fight in base. She even has a sword dude.
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This isn't relevant. We're in Penacony. A dream. If we're gonna take it too literally then Firefly shouldnt even be talking and moving around at all in Penacony. Shes crippled in a cyrosleep pod.


1. Ew Caelus
2. Thats leaving out how her using the Path of Propagation accelerated her entropy loss syndrome very quickly.

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If we were to apply how her entropy loss syndrome is in reality, she shouldn't be able to do allat at all in Penacony. She can't even operate her mech in real life due to entropy loss syndrome.

So like the only genuine reason Silver Wolf would ever consider Firefly dangerous without mech is that Family already knows shes a stellaron hunter so because of that sneaking is not worth it. and that SAM in general is too dangerous in Penacony because of its "Colossal" strength, Base Firefly being this powerful only works if shes ever capable of fighting without mech so ill have to disagree for now (because after this comment hoyo writer will coronate inside my head and then make sure FIrefly actually fights in base no mech just so they can prove me wrong)
That's not the statement. This is not like Acheron saying Star of Eden is more dangerous than Naught. Silverwolf straight up said her Base is too powerful. Its also stated by both Firefly and Silverwolf that the family doesn't even know who the true identity of Stellaron Hunter SAM is.
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It's not colossal strength either. The statement is her being a colossal threat.

also do you even have a scan of family not knowing her indetity? im sure someone like Dreammaster, sunday and other powerful names in penacony would know who she is. They even know who Acheron is and what her power is about.
There you go
 
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He literally just tosses a poker chip, We even have him accepted as not being that much of a fighter.
Weaknesses: Aventurine was shown to be not much of a fighter without the Aventurine Cornerstone


Why is this a disqualifier when her own says she wants to end it quickly. That doesnt mean she can't fight in base. She even has a sword dude.
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This isn't relevant. We're in Penacony. A dream. If we're gonna take it too literally then Firefly shouldnt even be talking and moving around at all in Penacony. Shes crippled in a cyrosleep pod.



1. Ew Caelus
2. Thats leaving out how her using the Path of Propagation accelerated her entropy loss syndrome very quickly.

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If we were to apply how her entropy loss syndrome is in reality, she shouldn't be able to do allat at all in Penacony. She can't even operate her mech in real life due to entropy loss syndrome.


That's not the statement. This is not like Acheron saying Star of Eden is more dangerous than Naught. Silverwolf straight up said her Base is too powerful. Its also stated by both Firefly and Silverwolf that the family doesn't even know who the true identity of Stellaron Hunter SAM is.
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It's not colossal strength either. The statement is her being a colossal threat.


There you go

some arguments seem okayish, caleus eww is your best one yet
ill respond later in more details but “She cant even control her mech in real life” where is that from?
and also aventurine weakness one is dumb since if we accept him being capable of one shotting stings and fighting with dice and poker chips then “not being a fighter” isnt weakness
 
some arguments seem okayish, caleus eww is your best one yet
ill respond later in more details but “She cant even control her mech in real life” where is that from?
and also aventurine weakness one is dumb since if we accept him being capable of one shotting stings and fighting with dice and poker chips then “not being a fighter” isnt weakness
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Hmm…Considering she does perfectly operates with 0 issues outside overusing path power ig the scaling would be fine but u have to note that its applicable to penacony, outside of it she would not be scalable at all.
maybe make a key or something idk
since shes OP in penacony but outside it shes hilichurl victim
(wow genshin needs someone to be gravely ill just to beat them 😭)
 
Hmm…Considering she does perfectly operates with 0 issues outside overusing path power ig the scaling would be fine but u have to note that its applicable to penacony, outside of it she would not be scalable at all.
maybe make a key or something idk
since shes OP in penacony but outside it shes hilichurl victim
(wow genshin needs someone to be gravely ill just to beat them 😭)
Im pretty sure we assume Penacony Firefly for her profile anyways because Reality Firefly is crippled and can't do anything 😭
 
Im pretty sure we assume Penacony Firefly for her profile anyways because Reality Firefly is crippled and can't do anything 😭
well its yes and no because we also index stuff from her animated short and lore
which is why i only see 4-A firefly in base in penacony while outside she has to stay unknown due to sickness
so
“Unknown” | 4-A, 3-B as SAM “higher” with complete combusiton.
but like i said its not TOO convincing but hoyoverse is lazy when it comes to characters with multiple forms bcs wdym ur giving aventurine and firefly whole weapons and shit in base and then they only ever fight in 0.0001s screentime while 99% of it is their SAM and Cornerstone form
also i forgot to tell you i alr debunked myself by posting firefly vs rider art which HOYO acknowledged
 
well its yes and no because we also index stuff from her animated short and lore
which is why i only see 4-A firefly in base in penacony while outside she has to stay unknown due to sickness
so
“Unknown” | 4-A, 3-B as SAM “higher” with complete combusiton.
but like i said its not TOO convincing but hoyoverse is lazy when it comes to characters with multiple forms bcs wdym ur giving aventurine and firefly whole weapons and shit in base and then they only ever fight in 0.0001s screentime while 99% of it is their SAM and Cornerstone form
also i forgot to tell you i alr debunked myself by posting firefly vs rider art which HOYO acknowledged
Never doubt the Number 1 Firefly supporter fr
 
dw im definetly not disagreeing so hoyo can asspull her being some zephyro lvl shit soon
oh and btw i agree with rest of the thread
Anytime yall disagree with my line of scaling, Hoyo comes in and backs me up fr.

Nether Emirp and Nova disagreeing with Tier 1 Aventurine via Preservation? Hoyo makes a cornerstone user control Qlipoth's hammer and strike an Aeon with it under the Path of Preservation.

Weaver disagreeing with Sunday becoming an Aeon and that he will never become one? Hoyo makes Sunday an Aeon of two entirely different paths and even creates a new path.

You disagreeing with Welt being in his prime and that the SOE is cooked? Hoyo makes Welt and Zephyro clash and nukes the universe on an average Tuesday.

I work for Hoyo fr.
 
Anytime yall disagree with my line of scaling, Hoyo comes in and backs me up fr.

Nether Emirp and Nova disagreeing with Tier 1 Aventurine via Preservation? Hoyo makes a cornerstone user control Qlipoth's hammer and strike an Aeon with it

Weaver disagreeing with Sunday becoming an Aeon and that he will never become one? Hoyo makes Sunday an Aeon of two entirely different paths and even creates a new path.

You disagreeing with Welt being in his prime and that the SOE is cooked? Hoyo makes Welt and Zephyro clashes and nukes the universe on an average Tuesday.

I work for Hoyo fr.
now we need hoyo to outright confirm irontomb nuked IT (Since onscreen feats are not enough) and we good
 
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