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By not competing in the field where there is a layer disadvantage
Rimiru can still win through the use of Haze (esoteric invis) directly going for her decapitation or through some kind of spatial sealing
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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Rimiru can still win through the use of Haze (esoteric invis) directly going for her decapitation or through some kind of spatial sealing
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I'm pretty sure Rimuru could beat Baam, but just to check
Baam hits Rimuru and gluttony with the layered sub-atomic molecular immobilization he starts every fight with, fires off enough danmaku to make touhou characters blush, but that won't do anything thanks to his low godly and stuff, so if he can act through literally not being able to move down to his atoms, he can take the slot
Martial Peak and Ergen characters both have passive layered mind and soul stuff. Martial Peak has 18 layers iirc, Ergen has 20
Baam hits Rimuru and gluttony with the layered sub-atomic molecular immobilization he starts every fight with, fires off enough danmaku to make touhou characters blush, but that won't do anything thanks to his low godly and stuff, so if he can act through literally not being able to move down to his atoms, he can take the slot
Martial Peak and Ergen characters both have passive layered mind and soul stuff. Martial Peak has 18 layers iirc, Ergen has 20
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Yeah, he can act with his soul alone and can transform into a Spiritual Lifeform in a thought
Yeah, I know. But neither of them have IM2 or CM1, so they can't interact with his mind and soul and are pretty defenceless themselves
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Yeah, sure
smth smth i know its real but it should be on the profiles (also the soul is only info type 2 rn)
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The soul yeah, CM is for core and abilities. It's not on profile, but on the verse's page
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I think I can propose Shizue Izawa for spot 1 in Low 6-B, though I might've missed something
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Give a reason of why she get the spot
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Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared are now baseline 1-A so they should be removed from 1st spot.
As for where they would be, they seem to haxstomp the Winnower badly and the latter has zero way of affecting them, so 10th spot for now seems good.
As for where they would be, they seem to haxstomp the Winnower badly and the latter has zero way of affecting them, so 10th spot for now seems good.
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Actually with the same logic above, they can probably just be nominated for 8th (I think Lu is baseline right?). No one there really gets around their ability, and I think they were above him already when they were in baseline previously
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Remove Instant Death character from 1-B, they aren't 1-B anymore
I don't remember if possibly rating is allow or not, but in the case of being allowed, Honkaiverse is possibly Low 1-A now
I don't remember if possibly rating is allow or not, but in the case of being allowed, Honkaiverse is possibly Low 1-A now
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Winnower also can't do anything to them. He would lack the range as their ascension is just like trivializing the opponent by several infinities. This would make it so they can beat people winnower can't. It's a loss in every other department, it's like being higher dimensional to your enemies
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Doesnt matter. The only thing of note that the Winnower has for the match is that. Everything else he gets outmatched badly. His opponent is several infinities in Ap above him, several infinities faster, resists all his haxes, and have 1000x more haxes than him. This is the list for the strongest, not who can incon the most.
Physiology only gets you so far when it's clear that Ruphas/Alovenus beats characters in the tier more than the Winnower ever could, so for all intents and purposes they should be above him.
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For even more clarity, it's like beyond a laughable amount of uncountable infinities in terms of hax layers, size, ap. And that is before cracking the white realm. Like comparing any lower character (2A or whatever) to a well into High 1B+ dude. They win more fights just by existing or glaring lol
So I'd also yeah nominate em 8th, unless a match still needs to be made but...
So I'd also yeah nominate em 8th, unless a match still needs to be made but...
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So AWLBA just share spot with Winnower, they can't interacts with Aca 5, but Winnower can't do anything to AWLBA
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As I said, they not only outclass the Winnower in every aspect (and the Winnower cant even affect them with anything) but they also beats characters in the higher spots above him. No reason to give priority to the physiology in this case.
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Aca 5 still make Winnower unable to be interacted, unles AWLBA atleast higher R > F layer than baseline 1-A, AP or hax doesn't matter, if they can't interact with Winnower, we don't simply giving higher spot for character who have more abilities, more layers, stronger stats
Not only Winnower have Aca 5, but also NEP2 All Aspects which AWLBA have no way to interact with
Not only Winnower have Aca 5, but also NEP2 All Aspects which AWLBA have no way to interact with
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It takes away the point of the thread since youre preventing a character that logically beats the characters in the higher spots from deserving said spots because of a technical Rock Paper Scissor situation, specially when the character has no relevant haxes to act as leverage for their physiology.
It's the list for the strongest characters. If the only thing the character has going for him is a wall and no hax to make up for it there should be a leeway to avoid rock paper scissor moments.
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Vietthai. You need to have defense AND offense to take spots, if you just incon a lot, you ain't taking shit. If all Winnower can do here is incon, and they beat spots above Winnower, then tough luck.
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That...doesn't really make much sense to me. They fodderize characters above, and trivialize winnower in literally everything. It is top strongest not top incon. They are clearly stronger than other characters, and winnower cant do anything. Infact others can't either, so we just tie everyone with this logic?
They are stronger than winnower. Its like the list below 1A hiw higher d chars are above lower ones
They are stronger than winnower. Its like the list below 1A hiw higher d chars are above lower ones
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Huh? AWLBA beat spot higher than Winnower?, well, they take the spot then, i thought they can only incon Winnower and nothing else
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I first nominated them for 10th but then Bluey said they could beat higher spots.
Looks like it.
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I guess they share a spot with lu. He can't rlly get around their settings, RE range, but he has acaus 5 and good hax from what I can tell.
Is anyone above lu baseline anyway?
Edit: Actually arceus has NEP nature 2, so they'd incon him I think. But it's another winnower situation, he doesn't have their level of hax. So he would lose to lu, while they would not. They have better offense, and better defense against other beings
Is anyone above lu baseline anyway?
Edit: Actually arceus has NEP nature 2, so they'd incon him I think. But it's another winnower situation, he doesn't have their level of hax. So he would lose to lu, while they would not. They have better offense, and better defense against other beings
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Nyan used to be above baseline but got downgraded, so she should be kicked lower down the list, but beyond her yeah, Ergen is a layer into 1-A and the tiers only go up from there
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Oh snap she actually got downgraded, I rmbr being surprised seeing such a series at that level.
Then suppose it's just Lu. Which they can share I guess? Imo should be above, awlba hax are better due to their re, making it so if another character comes along, their hax and layers become useless against them, and make everything about themselves(hax, stats, range, resistance, layers etc) superior. So offensively, and in hax defenses, they'd be better. Most of his relevant hax they have anyway too, just stronger. But ik for a fact acaus 5 talk will give me gray hairs
Then suppose it's just Lu. Which they can share I guess? Imo should be above, awlba hax are better due to their re, making it so if another character comes along, their hax and layers become useless against them, and make everything about themselves(hax, stats, range, resistance, layers etc) superior. So offensively, and in hax defenses, they'd be better. Most of his relevant hax they have anyway too, just stronger. But ik for a fact acaus 5 talk will give me gray hairs
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CM1 flames, CM1 and IM2 based resistance negation and fusion, flames that don't give a fck about space-time, she can let out this guy, she can return to full power any time she needs and after that gains AE on CM1, IM2 and Law.
She also has a nice amount of resistances to what people there can do to her
I think she gets the spot
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The first ones, also has AE, CM amd IM stuff, I want the reason of why she beat them
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Their CM is type 2
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I'm fine with her taking their spot. Arifureta peeps got nothing against CM1
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That would be smurf
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I think it was decided after they awlba tie with Lu for 7th. Arceus hax are inferior to both, Lu has more hax but they can't do anything to each other. They have most of Lu's relevant hax, but theirs evolves to get superior in potency, size/range, stats, everything. Can also nuke arceus reality, if that helps at all, and none of its aspects factor plot shenanigans. Omnipresence means nothing here, their size for one is much bigger than ranges of both of those. Honestly far above both in that regard...like well into high 1B+ to a 2A.
And nyanlathotep apparently got her layer removed, so ig they should be moved down too
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If she incon with more than one character she get to share the lower spot
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Then I think she should at least tie with arceus for now until some match is made. Her hax are way superior to winnower, whose only thing going is the acaus 5. Not even that many offensive hax
Superior to arceus as well. Exists on a much higher level of existence, but eh
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Ben Tennyson for 4-B and Alien X for 1-B? i can help with the verse if neccecary
edit: Ben is scaling to 1.04226 TeraFoe to 10.4226 TeraFoe with spesific Aliens for 4-B his classic version is scaling to 104.226 GigaFoe
here is the scaling chain
Ben 10
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and Alien X is 26D he would be below Godzilla (their profiles are deleted from the site but eh?) i'm lowk thinking Alien X inconning Godzilla actually because X have BDE which makes him unaffacted by Causality manip as well, he exist outside of time, space and causality in the last match Godzilla defeated X because of causality destruction otherwise he didn't have any way to overcome with Alien X's regen
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no dreaming ones are countless D abve alien x.Ben Tennyson for 4-B and Alien X for 1-B? i can help with the verse if neccecary
edit: Ben is scaling to 1.04226 TeraFoe to 10.4226 TeraFoe with spesific Aliens for 4-B his classic version is scaling to 104.226 GigaFoe
here is the scaling chain
Ben 10
For detailed information about this franchise, visit the Ben 10 Wiki. Ben 10 is a cartoon series created by Man of Action and Cartoon Network. Four series (Ben 10, Ben 10: Alien Force, Ben 10: Ultimate Alien and Ben 10: Omniverse) exist as well as several movies. The series follows the...
and Alien X is 26D he would be below Godzilla (their profiles are deleted from the site but eh?) i'm lowk thinking Alien X inconning Godzilla actually because X have BDE which makes him unaffacted by Causality manip as well, he exist outside of time, space and causality in the last match Godzilla defeated X because of causality destruction otherwise he didn't have any way to overcome with Alien X's regen
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That's not smurf since it's not low 1-C range. Smurf is only significantly 5-D
